[OSList] Foo Bar OST Re: What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?

Sun Aug 21 13:55:38 PDT 2016

Kaliya Hamlin and others can surely chime in. She and friends have worked
hard to persuade folks that OST is a best way to design an Unconference
such as Barcamp or Recent Changes Camp or etc.

See their work at unconference.net

Some unconferences use other participatory designs that are not OST and
they do well, or crash and burn, or what have you.

Ps Dirk - I heard that naming the event Bar was indeed a play on the often
used term Fubar - after the Foo was found inadequate for the restless
masses...

Onward with thanks

Jeff
San Francisco

On Aug 21, 2016 1:26 PM, "Harrison Owen via OSList" <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dick -- I'm sure you are correct. And Wikipedia does tend to be a little
> bit wiki... Howsomever -- by whatever name. However any time somebody
> starts talking about 4 principles and the law of two feet -- sounds a
> little spacey to me. Kinda of like "The Four Principles of Indian
> Spirituality." You can look that up on the Web! But at the end of the day--
> Who cares? I didn't invent it. They didn't either. It's been around for a
> bit. Somewhat longer than Wiki... or whatever.
>
> ho
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of
> Dirk Riehle via OSList
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 3:39 PM
> To: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
> Subject: [OSList] Foo Bar OST Re: What's the difference between BarCamp
> and OST?
>
> If my memory serves me right (and Wikipedia seems to bear this out), the
> history is the following:
>
> There used to be Foocamp, a conference initiated and led by Tim O'Reilly.
> The Foo in Foocamp supposedly stands for Friends of O'Reilly. O'Reilly is
> quite influential among what you call "the geeks". There is an alternative
> explanation of "foo" in that it refers to, well, "foo", which among geeks
> is a placeholder term for nothing in particular. You use it like "thingy"
> if you dont really have a term at hand. A random variable name that is.
>
> Attendance at Foocamp was invitation-only and so eventually, some people
> frustrated over not having been invited, created Barcamp as a free and open
> alternative to Foocamp. Bar, like foo, is also just an empty placeholder
> for nothing in particular, and in geek lingo, foo and bar always occur
> together, hence foobar (no relationship to fubar as far as I know).
>
> I don't think there is a particular defined structure to barcamps; they
> are much more loosely organized than open-space-organized events. They tend
> to have an agenda wall but none or not much of the ceremony that open space
> provides. So any one event may be quite different from another. Well,
> that's at least how it was when I last attended such events 10 years ago.
>
> Talking semantics then:
>
> 1. Foocamp was a particular conference series.
>
> 2. Barcamp refers to a widely-copied conference format and is a synonym
> for unconference.
>
> 3. Open space technology is a meeting/event facilitation technique.
>
> My understanding is that OST is not a conference format but rather helps
> structure a meeting/event/conference in a particular way.
>
> You can probably tell me whether it is a good idea to embed OST in a
> conference as one track, with other tracks using more traditional formats
> (i.e. planned agendas). I used to structure a conference series (WikiSym,
> now OpenSym, http://opensym.org) using OST, but later general chairs
> didn't do that; they didn't like OST and probably didn't understand it
> either.
>
> Cheers,
> Dirk
>
>
> On 21.08.2016 21:15, Harrison Owen via OSList wrote:
> > Eva -- you are, as usual, correct. Bar Camp has been around for some
> years, and it is a copy of OS. I think it had something to do with the
> geeks wanting to maintain something more like control. So they did the same
> thing (mostly), and called it something different. Is this called
> innovation?
> >
> > Harrison
> >
> > Winter Address
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> > Potomac, MD 20854
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> >
> > Summer Address
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> > Camden, ME 04843
> > 207 763-3261
> >
> > Websites
> > www.openspaceworld.com
> > www.ho-image.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf
> > Of Eva P Svensson via OSList
> > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 2:01 PM
> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> > Subject: [OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?
> >
> > Dear friends,
> > Today I heard a woman talking about setting up a meeting using BarCamp
> as a method. I asked her to explain to me what it was and when she did that
> I had a hard time finding the differences between that and Open Space. One
> thing was that, as she explained it, the time slots were 45 minutes then 15
> minutes pause then new 45 minutes and so on. Otherwise it seemed more or
> less like copy and paste from Open Space. Anyone who knows more about it?
> > :o)
> > Eva
> >
> > Skickat från min iPhone
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