[OSList] Foo Bar OST Re: What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?

Sun Aug 21 19:11:54 PDT 2016

Thanks. John Abbe and I hosted one in Palo Alto. It was Open Space but i
heard people also considered it to be an unconference.

To some degree this is all like a game of Telephone in which the message
changes with each new person telling it!

Jeff

On Aug 21, 2016 6:45 PM, "Michael Herman" <michael at michaelherman.com> wrote:

> Recent Changes Camp actually was Open Space, not unconference.  We did the
> first one Portland in 2006, I think, and it ran around to a number of other
> places for some years.  Maybe still is going.  Not sure the form anymore,
> but the first ones were definitely OS.
>
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> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Kaliya Hamlin and others can surely chime in. She and friends have worked
>> hard to persuade folks that OST is a best way to design an Unconference
>> such as Barcamp or Recent Changes Camp or etc.
>>
>> See their work at unconference.net
>>
>> Some unconferences use other participatory designs that are not OST and
>> they do well, or crash and burn, or what have you.
>>
>> Ps Dirk - I heard that naming the event Bar was indeed a play on the
>> often used term Fubar - after the Foo was found inadequate for the restless
>> masses...
>>
>> Onward with thanks
>>
>> Jeff
>> San Francisco
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2016 1:26 PM, "Harrison Owen via OSList" <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dick -- I'm sure you are correct. And Wikipedia does tend to be a little
>>> bit wiki... Howsomever -- by whatever name. However any time somebody
>>> starts talking about 4 principles and the law of two feet -- sounds a
>>> little spacey to me. Kinda of like "The Four Principles of Indian
>>> Spirituality." You can look that up on the Web! But at the end of the day--
>>> Who cares? I didn't invent it. They didn't either. It's been around for a
>>> bit. Somewhat longer than Wiki... or whatever.
>>>
>>> ho
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Dirk Riehle via OSList
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 3:39 PM
>>> To: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> Subject: [OSList] Foo Bar OST Re: What's the difference between BarCamp
>>> and OST?
>>>
>>> If my memory serves me right (and Wikipedia seems to bear this out), the
>>> history is the following:
>>>
>>> There used to be Foocamp, a conference initiated and led by Tim
>>> O'Reilly. The Foo in Foocamp supposedly stands for Friends of O'Reilly.
>>> O'Reilly is quite influential among what you call "the geeks". There is an
>>> alternative explanation of "foo" in that it refers to, well, "foo", which
>>> among geeks is a placeholder term for nothing in particular. You use it
>>> like "thingy" if you dont really have a term at hand. A random variable
>>> name that is.
>>>
>>> Attendance at Foocamp was invitation-only and so eventually, some people
>>> frustrated over not having been invited, created Barcamp as a free and open
>>> alternative to Foocamp. Bar, like foo, is also just an empty placeholder
>>> for nothing in particular, and in geek lingo, foo and bar always occur
>>> together, hence foobar (no relationship to fubar as far as I know).
>>>
>>> I don't think there is a particular defined structure to barcamps; they
>>> are much more loosely organized than open-space-organized events. They tend
>>> to have an agenda wall but none or not much of the ceremony that open space
>>> provides. So any one event may be quite different from another. Well,
>>> that's at least how it was when I last attended such events 10 years ago.
>>>
>>> Talking semantics then:
>>>
>>> 1. Foocamp was a particular conference series.
>>>
>>> 2. Barcamp refers to a widely-copied conference format and is a synonym
>>> for unconference.
>>>
>>> 3. Open space technology is a meeting/event facilitation technique.
>>>
>>> My understanding is that OST is not a conference format but rather helps
>>> structure a meeting/event/conference in a particular way.
>>>
>>> You can probably tell me whether it is a good idea to embed OST in a
>>> conference as one track, with other tracks using more traditional formats
>>> (i.e. planned agendas). I used to structure a conference series (WikiSym,
>>> now OpenSym, http://opensym.org) using OST, but later general chairs
>>> didn't do that; they didn't like OST and probably didn't understand it
>>> either.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dirk
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21.08.2016 21:15, Harrison Owen via OSList wrote:
>>> > Eva -- you are, as usual, correct. Bar Camp has been around for some
>>> years, and it is a copy of OS. I think it had something to do with the
>>> geeks wanting to maintain something more like control. So they did the same
>>> thing (mostly), and called it something different. Is this called
>>> innovation?
>>> >
>>> > Harrison
>>> >
>>> > Winter Address
>>> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>> > Potomac, MD 20854
>>> > 301-365-2093
>>> >
>>> > Summer Address
>>> > 189 Beaucauire Ave
>>> > Camden, ME 04843
>>> > 207 763-3261
>>> >
>>> > Websites
>>> > www.openspaceworld.com
>>> > www.ho-image.com
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf
>>> > Of Eva P Svensson via OSList
>>> > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 2:01 PM
>>> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>> > Subject: [OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?
>>> >
>>> > Dear friends,
>>> > Today I heard a woman talking about setting up a meeting using BarCamp
>>> as a method. I asked her to explain to me what it was and when she did that
>>> I had a hard time finding the differences between that and Open Space. One
>>> thing was that, as she explained it, the time slots were 45 minutes then 15
>>> minutes pause then new 45 minutes and so on. Otherwise it seemed more or
>>> less like copy and paste from Open Space. Anyone who knows more about it?
>>> > :o)
>>> > Eva
>>> >
>>> > Skickat från min iPhone
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