[OSList] There is no such thing as open space (Jeff Aitken via OSList)

Daniel Mezick via OSList oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Thu Nov 12 05:16:59 PST 2015


Greeting All!

Hmm, I wonder if the current degree of openness in a group totally, 100% 
emergent, or gated by certain "fixed" factors, or is defined by some 
combination of the two, or is defined some other way I am aware of right 
now.

Daniel

On 11/10/15 3:31 AM, Carmela Ariza via OSList wrote:
> I think opening space is about opening the mind and even the heart.
>
> So it is possible to say that in a certain moment the space or mind is 
> close.
>
> And in other instances the space or mind is open or has been opened.
>
> This can refer to the collective space or collective mind/heart - 
> which may be open or close to varying degrees.
>
> The closing May also mean that the space or mind has zeroed in or has 
> focused or has settled.
>
> In this sense closing is not at all negative. It is just a process 
> that is necessary when we are opening spaces or minds.
>
> The closing or settling down of the space or mind and heart is an 
> opening of space or mind/heart.
>
> They belong together. One cannot be without the other.
>
> These are my thoughts for now.
>
> Have a wonderful opening and closing of spaces today!
>
> Abundant blessings to all!
>
> Carms
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> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015, 9:09 AM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>     Going for a walk is a pretty good way to expand space, or as some
>     say,
>     make more space... going for a walk is in some ways similar to
>     taking a
>     break and there are stories around the origin of OST emerging from
>     breaks...
>
>     lets all have some more space today
>     greetings from Berlin
>     mmp
>
>
>     On 09.11.2015 23:36, Jeff Aitken via OSList wrote:
>     > I guess the research here is whether the process called Open Space
>     > Technology is sufficient to enable a successful experience of Open
>     > Space. They are two distinct 'things' so to speak.
>     >
>     > So far, the survey says mostly yes. And lots of learning about
>     pre-work
>     > etc, and convergence design etc. With the intent to minimize the
>     > 'control, denigration' etc that Jon notes.
>     >
>     > One 'distraction' failure i found was an informal group of 15
>     who posted
>     > tons of topics and found no good way to choose how to address them.
>     > Usually in this kind of agenda, combining topics makes sense of
>     it, but
>     > on this day twas all a jumble. We all went for a walk instead,
>     and in
>     > that sense a success emerged from the ashes.
>     >
>     > Jeff
>     >
>     > On Nov 9, 2015 1:58 PM, "Jon Jorgensen via OSList"
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>     >
>     >    I don't know what the person in Dan's story actually was
>     referring
>     >    to, but I have a hunch that they were referring to the fact
>     that, as
>     >    far as science can tell, there is no amount of physical space
>     that
>     >    is entirely occupied with physical particles (of the sub-atomic
>     >    persuasion or otherwise) with no space in between them, and
>     >    conversely we can guess that there is no amount of space that is
>     >    completely void of particles.  (This can only be confirmed as the
>     >    frontier of science continues to go deeper below the atomic
>     level.)
>     >
>     >    So, if this is true, then we can say that in the physical realm,
>     >    there is no totally open space and no totally closed space; only
>     >    relative degrees between the 2 extremes as we scale or
>     descale our
>     >    frame of reference (or "Container" to borrow a metaphor from
>     the HSD
>     >    model.)
>     >
>     >    It gets even more interesting as we apply this axiom to the
>     >    cognitive realm, which is to say that if we cannot be absolute in
>     >    holding space open, then how much is enough or not enough to suit
>     >    our purposes?  I believe that our results will tell us, and the
>     >    amount may vary depending on the theme, setting and event
>     attendees.
>     >
>     >    How much distraction is endurable, while still allowing growth,
>     >    creativity and transformation?
>     >    How much external control, denigration of individuals,
>     conflict and
>     >    anxiety is enough to nip these fruits of open space in the bud?
>     >
>     >    Aren't these the things which the facilitator endeavors to
>     hold at
>     >    bay, to create a clearing for something new to sprout and
>     flourish
>     >    within?
>     >
>     >    We would need some failed attempts at Opening Space, which were
>     >    markedly unfruitful, to demonstrate such a threshold (how much or
>     >    how little is enough) to answer these questions.
>     >
>     >    Now, that sounds like an unpleasant experiment to design and
>     >    conduct.  However, if anybody has inadvertently stumbled on the
>     >    answer, I would love to learn vicariously.
>     >
>     >    Till then, let us also say, "There is no such thing as fully
>     closed
>     >    space."
>     >
>     >    Jon Jorgensen
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>     >        I like the term 'opening space' --  endeavoring that the
>     space
>     >        be a little
>     >        (or lot) more open than before.
>     >
>     >        Maybe the practice is a lifelong one, of opening the
>     space a bit
>     >        more in
>     >        each cycle of day, week, month, or year, etc.
>     >
>     >        Really deep folks might tell us when the space will be
>     >        completely open
>     >        again - in a zillion years - or maybe in this moment?
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>     >          >> Someone I love said to me "Pffft. There's no such
>     thing as
>     >        open space."
>     >          >>
>     >          >> I added, "Hmm. So there is no such thing as open
>     space? only
>     >        closed
>     >          >> space?......opened to varying degrees?"
>     >          >>
>     >          >> And she said "Yes. Yup. That's it."
>     >          >>
>     >          >> Hmm. No such thing as "100% open" space... I wonder
>     about
>     >        this. I also
>     >          >> wonder if you might want to comment on this idea.
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>     >        I like that Jeff! Having just returned from the land of
>     the ?Tao
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>     >        Clearly, real open space happens when you stop working so
>     >        hard... or something.
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>     >        it with a smile, knowing from whence the Tao had come.
>     Sort of
>     >        like carrying coals to New Castle. Or Tulip Bulbs to
>     Holland. Or
>     >        perfume to Paris... Or...
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >        I told my friends in Beijing that, for me, the Tao te
>     Ching was
>     >        the most wonderful guide to holding and opening space. It was
>     >        written (to the best of anybody?s knowledge) about 1200 BCE.
>     >        That would be better than 3000 years ago. Been around for
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>     >        I like the term 'opening space' --  endeavoring that the
>     space
>     >        be a little (or lot) more open than before.
>     >
>     >        Maybe the practice is a lifelong one, of opening the
>     space a bit
>     >        more in each cycle of day, week, month, or year, etc.
>     >
>     >        Really deep folks might tell us when the space will be
>     >        completely open again - in a zillion years - or maybe in this
>     >        moment?
>     >
>     >        Jeff
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>     >        It's all relative . . .
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>     >        Someone I love said to me "Pffft. There's no such thing
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>     >        closed space?......opened to varying degrees?"
>     >
>     >        And she said "Yes. Yup. That's it."
>     >
>     >        Hmm. No such thing as "100% open" space... I wonder about
>     this.
>     >        I also wonder if you might want to comment on this idea.
>     >
>     >        Is the "no such thing as open space" idea heresy-in-fact?
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>     >        Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 20:10:43 -0400
>     >        From: Jaime Pedreros Fitzgerald via OSList
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>     >        To: Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net <javascript:return>
>     >        <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net <javascript:return>>>,      
>     World wide Open Space
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>     >        Hello dear Space Openers,
>     >
>     >        The other day I was talking with a collegue who is an
>     university
>     >        staff
>     >        member here in La Paz. I told him (what follows is a
>     result of
>     >        my daring
>     >        ignorance) that most of the development in social
>     sciences and
>     >        human groups
>     >        evolution study is closely based/related onto Isaac Newton's
>     >        Universal
>     >        Gravitation Theory and the emerging laws that are being
>     refined
>     >        until our
>     >        days (quantitaive change and analysis and so forth).
>     Well, the
>     >        time is
>     >        appropiate for a change or shift and we are thinking now
>     in terms of
>     >        relativity, as Harrison wisely said. Acoording to the
>     ancient Greek
>     >        Mythology, passion was represented by the god Eros when he
>     >        contributed to
>     >        the creation of the universe from Chaos, that was the first
>     >        thing to exist:
>     >        So, Chaos is the origin of everything and is also an initial
>     >        stage in the
>     >        process of opening the space. The universe is infinite or it
>     >        expands?
>     >        Anyway, we are all relatively expanding ourselves; the
>     space, as the
>     >        universe is and will be opened. The question we are
>     discussing now
>     >        demonstrates this. Are our minds an Open Space?
>     >
>     >        Have a  big hug from Bolivia.
>     >
>     >        Jaime Pedreros F,
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>     >        Message: 4
>     >        Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 21:39:35 -0500
>     >        From: Lucas Cioffi via OSList
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>     >        Subject: [OSList] The OSLIST Poetry Contest is Open
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>     >        Dear Colleagues -
>     >
>     >        The OSLIST Poetry Contest is open once again! If you feel so
>     >        inspired,
>     >        please create an original poem using these three guidelines:
>     >
>     >        1) The poem is about Open Space
>     >        2) The poem consists of 8 lines or less.
>     >        3) The poem contains all 26 letters of the English
>     alphabet (or
>     >        all the
>     >        letters of the language you write the poem in) at least once.
>     >        If your
>     >        language does not have an alphabet, then you can skip/ignore
>     >        this guideline.
>     >
>     >
>     >        *Send your poetry directly to me (not to the whole list) at
>     > lucas at qiqochat.com <javascript:return>
>     <mailto:lucas at qiqochat.com <javascript:return>>
>     >        <lucas at qiqochat.com <javascript:return>
>     <mailto:lucas at qiqochat.com <javascript:return>>> before the end
>     >        of Sunday, November
>     >        22nd.*
>     >
>     >        I will collect the poems and then show them back to you
>     >        anonymously, dear
>     >        readers - so you may indicate your favorites - even
>     though this
>     >        is not a
>     >        game of favorites. It is a gift of riches.  It will, however,
>     >        tell us who
>     >        our new Poet Laureate of the OSLIST will be - someone who
>     will
>     >        hold the
>     >        space for poetry by sharing and/or inviting poetry on our
>     list
>     >        for the next
>     >        six months.
>     >
>     >        All of you OSLIST members, including past Poet Laureates, are
>     >        invited to
>     >        participate.  If you write your poem in your own language
>     which
>     >        may not be
>     >        English, please do add a translation in English.
>     >
>     >        I welcome all your fierce and quiet words,
>     >
>     >        Lucas Cioffi
>     >        Current OSLIST Poet Laureate
>     >        Charlottesville, VA, USA
>     >        - with a deep bow to my fellow Poet Laureates
>     >
>     >        - - - - -
>     >
>     >        A little history, from Chris Corrigan:
>     >
>     >          > ?For all those who might be curious, the OSLIST Biannual
>     >        Restricted Form
>     >          > Poetry Contest started in the spring of 2000 when I
>     issued
>     >        the challenge to
>     >          > the list.  Ralph Copleman actually began the whole
>     thing with
>     >        a contest in
>     >          > the fall of 1999 (which I won) and so he is the
>     ?Poetry King?
>     >        for all
>     >          > time.  I just claimed the ?Poet Laureate? title in an
>     effort
>     >        to have some
>     >          > fun.  It was something of a one martini idea, and I
>     was out
>     >        of gin at the
>     >          > time...?
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>     >
>     >        Message: 5
>     >        Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 18:58:47 +0100
>     >        From: Hege Steinsland via OSList
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>     >        Subject: [OSList] research
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>     >
>     >        Dear list friends and colleagues in Open Space and
>     Genuine Contact!
>     >
>     >        I?m working on a possible research project in the health
>     sector
>     >        in municipalities to find out how Open Space and The Genuine
>     >        Contact program can be a resource in enabling a shift in
>     the way
>     >        of leading and solving the tasks with growing challenges and
>     >        reduced resources.
>     >
>     >        My question now is if there is some relevant research
>     that you
>     >        know of from the Genuine Contact program or Open space
>     >        technology for us to refer to in out application?
>     >
>     >        All the best from
>     >        Hege Steinsland
>     >        Norway :-)
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>     >
>     >        Message: 6
>     >        Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 15:33:35 -0500
>     >        From: Harrison Owen via OSList
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>     >        Subject: [OSList] Mercedes China
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>     >
>     >        While I was having fun with Mrs. Song and all of her
>     guests in
>     >        Beijing, a
>     >        funny thing was happening nearby. It seems that the Mercedes
>     >        head office for
>     >        China was having a big do and some significant part of it was
>     >        all in Open
>     >        Space. I only learned of it when two gentlemen, whom I didn't
>     >        know, dropped
>     >        by. One was from Brazil, and the other from Italy and
>     they were
>     >        somehow
>     >        responsible. Talk about not having all the facts! But I
>     do know
>     >        the Mercedes
>     >        gathering was a pretty big deal, if only because the Mayor of
>     >        Beijing was
>     >        present. And that was just the tip of the iceberg because
>     then
>     >        the Premier
>     >        of China showed up. And of course the Press was in
>     attendance.
>     >        Anyhow the
>     >        evening news (Chinese TV version) was replete with the
>     Premier
>     >        in Open
>     >        Space, surrounded by the appropriate signs, I'm told. Of
>     course
>     >        I couldn't
>     >        read them, but I did see the pictures.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >        Harrison
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >        Winter Address
>     >
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>     >
>     >        Potomac, MD 20854
>     >
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>     >
>     >
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>     >
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>     >
>     > 207-763-3261 <tel:207-763-3261> <tel:207-763-3261>
>     >
>     >
>     >
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>     >        Message: 7
>     >        Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 22:36:44 +0200
>     >        From: Mikk Sarv via OSList
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>     >        To: Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net <javascript:return>
>     >        <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net <javascript:return>>>, World
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>     >
>     >        Great news!
>     >
>     >        Mikk Sarv
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >          > On 09 Nov 2015, at 22:33, Harrison Owen via OSList
>     >        <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <javascript:return>
>     >        <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>     <javascript:return>>> wrote:
>     >          >
>     >          > While I was having fun with Mrs. Song and all of her
>     guests
>     >        in Beijing, a funny thing was happening nearby. It seems that
>     >        the Mercedes head office for China was having a big do
>     and some
>     >        significant part of it was all in Open Space. I only
>     learned of
>     >        it when two gentlemen, whom I didn?t know, dropped by.
>     One was
>     >        from Brazil, and the other from Italy and they were somehow
>     >        responsible. Talk about not having all the facts! But I
>     do know
>     >        the Mercedes gathering was a pretty big deal, if only because
>     >        the Mayor of Beijing was present. And that was just the
>     tip of
>     >        the iceberg because then the Premier of China showed up.
>     And of
>     >        course the Press was in attendance. Anyhow the evening news
>     >        (Chinese TV version) was replete with the Premier in Open
>     Space,
>     >        surrounded by the appropriate signs, I?m told. Of course I
>     >        couldn?t read them, but I did see the pictures.
>     >          >
>     >          > Harrison
>     >          >
>     >          > Winter Address
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>     >          > Websites
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>     >        Message: 8
>     >        Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 15:56:30 -0500
>     >        From: Skye Hirst via OSList
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>     >        What a great birthday present!
>     >
>     >        On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Mikk Sarv via OSList <
>     > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <javascript:return>
>     >        <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
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>     >
>     >          > Great news!
>     >          >
>     >          > Mikk Sarv
>     >          >
>     >          >
>     >          >
>     >          > On 09 Nov 2015, at 22:33, Harrison Owen via OSList <
>     >          > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <javascript:return>
>     >        <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>     <javascript:return>>> wrote:
>     >          >
>     >          > While I was having fun with Mrs. Song and all of her
>     guests
>     >        in Beijing, a
>     >          > funny thing was happening nearby. It seems that the
>     Mercedes
>     >        head office
>     >          > for China was having a big do and some significant
>     part of it
>     >        was all in
>     >          > Open Space. I only learned of it when two gentlemen,
>     whom I
>     >        didn?t know,
>     >          > dropped by. One was from Brazil, and the other from
>     Italy and
>     >        they were
>     >          > somehow responsible. Talk about not having all the
>     facts! But
>     >        I do know the
>     >          > Mercedes gathering was a pretty big deal, if only
>     because the
>     >        Mayor of
>     >          > Beijing was present. And that was just the tip of the
>     iceberg
>     >        because then
>     >          > the Premier of China showed up. And of course the
>     Press was
>     >        in attendance.
>     >          > Anyhow the evening news (Chinese TV version) was
>     replete with
>     >        the Premier
>     >          > in Open Space, surrounded by the appropriate signs,
>     I?m told.
>     >        Of course I
>     >          > couldn?t read them, but I did see the pictures.
>     >          >
>     >          > Harrison
>     >          >
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