[OSList] Open Space- A little too open for "Agile enablement" firms?
Daniel Mezick via OSList
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Sun Jul 26 08:33:47 PDT 2015
Ha Harrison,
"...Enjoy yourself. But I don’t think I would go to work for a large,
overstaffed, overcharging, “major” consultancy. *They could be an
endangered species?*"
I'm guessing, but....probably not. Something about PT Barnum?
Daniel
See also:
"...Many people are gullible, and we can expect this to continue."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_a_sucker_born_every_minute
On 7/26/15 8:31 AM, Harrison via OSList wrote:
>
> Beatrice... Your belief has been my experience. (“as a single person
> company (not alone, because in a good network, and therefore very much
> Agile !) , I believe that if i sell less days to my clients it will
> give me more time to find other clients who could make good use of
> my/our knowhow. and therefore, contribute better and faster to a
> better world if a greater number of firms self organize...”) Back in
> the old days, BOST (Before Open Space), I used to have clients. Not
> many, but they paid very well, and quite regularly. I used to work
> with each of them for a year or two, and every quarter, I sent them a
> bill. Wonderful!
>
> Then I drank the martinis. And the result was major financial
> adjustment, not to say disaster. I discovered to my chagrin that my
> clients were accomplishing in 4-5 days what used to take several
> years. You can imagine what happened to my billable hours. And that’s
> when the fun really began....and has continued for the next 30 years.
>
> Enjoy yourself. But I don’t think I would go to work for a large,
> overstaffed, overcharging, “major” consultancy. They could be an
> endangered species?
>
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> *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Béatrice MELIN via OSList
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 26, 2015 1:06 AM
> *To:* Harold Shinsato; World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Open Space- A little too open for "Agile
> enablement" firms?
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> thanks a lot, Daniel and Harold and all of you people for sharing this
> very interesting conversation
>
> the video is great and the conversation you have about OST being "too
> usefull or too quick" and leading to selling less days, I love it.
>
> I understand it can be a real worry for big or medium consultancy
> firms (obviously with big or medium expenses difficult to lower
> quickly) who buit their business models on selling a certain amount of
> days per year to a specific number of clients...and selling less days
> can be a threat to their stability
>
> as a single person company (not alone, beacause in a good network, and
> therefore very much Agile !) , I believe that if i sell less days to
> my clients it will give me more time to find other clients who could
> make good use of my/our knowhow.
>
> and therefore, contribute better and faster to a better world if a
> greater number of firms self organize...
>
> thanks again for this in depth sunday reflection :)
>
> have a nice day, warm thoughts, Béatrice
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> > Message du 25/07/15 17:10
> > De : "Harold Shinsato via OSList"
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> >
> >Yes! I first learned about the light bulb conspiracy from Paul
> Wheaton (a renowned Permaculture promoter) at an Open Space event,
> the one I organize in Montana, Missoula Barcamp 2013.
> >
> > Highly recommend this 2010 documentary about it - "The Light
> Bulb Conspiracy: The Untold Story of Planned Obsolenscence"
> -https://vimeo.com/109014324
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfbbF3oxf-E>
> >
> > It is a case study of a specific planned obsolescence
> conspiracy, and a successful one. But the movie is really about
> how it's everywhere. Planned obsolescence is standard practice
> everywhere, especially in computing. And agile is being
> destructively used to produce more and faster to be thrown away -
> including coaching transactions.
> >
> > Open Space can play a critical role in reversing this
> unsustainable soul polluting trend that is consuming and
> destroying the planet for some temporary profits for a small
> minority. And doing it in agile adoptions is a leading edge for
> Open Space directly into the heart of this destructive and recent
> (less than 100 year old) practice. This quote from an African in
> the movie is very telling - and challenging.
> >
> > "Posterity will never forgive us. Posterity will suddenly find
> out about the throw away lifestyles of people in the advanced
> countries."
> >
> > Harold
> >
> >
>
> On 7/25/15 7:31 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
> >
>
> Most all Agile adoptions do not (repeat) do not begin in Open
> Space. Curious, isn't it? I mean, why not?
> >
> > Something about having to explain about engagement,
> invitation, opt-in participation, and self-organization to
> executives.
> >
> > When selling, simple is better. The less said- the better.
> Sell them what they are buying! And be quiet about everything
> else.
> >
> > Open Space is super-efficient. It encourages
> self-organization. At scale.
> >
> > This efficiency reduces the number of Agile coaching & Agile
> consulting days that can effectively be sold.
> >
> >
> >
> > When Agile adoptions start in Open Space and then periodic
> OST events are scheduled periodically, something curious
> happens: genuine agility sprouts. Authentic self-organization
> and self-management ensues, little by little... more and more.
> >
> > Once this happens, business-as-usual (for the consultant)
> usually includes vacating the premises.
> >
> > OST optimizes on transformations, not transactions.
> >
> > Perhaps OST is a little too efficient? Kind of like the
> original design for the light bulb?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> 'The Light Bulb Cartel and Planned Obsolescence'
> <http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2014/10/the-light-bulb-cartel-and-planned-obsolescence.html>
>
> > Busy day today -- a couple of quick ones for now. This is
> Tim Taylor:
>
> The Light Bulb Cartel and Planned Obsolescence
> <http://conversableeconomist.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-light-bulb-cartel-and-planned.html>:
> The old 1951 movie "The Man in the White Suit,"
> <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044876/> starring Alec
> Guinness, is both an entertaining adventure/comedy and a
> meditation on technology and planned obsolescence. The
> Alec Guinness character invents a wonderful new fabric
> that will never get dirty and never wear out. He sees a
> future where ordinary people will save money on clothes
> and cleaning expenses. People marvel at the invention at
> first, but soon everyone is against him: the textile and
> clothing companies fear his cloth will put them out of
> business, the workers in those companies fear losing their
> jobs, and those who do the washing fear losing work, too.
> Near the end of the movie, one character notes wryly that
> markets won't function if the products work too well. He
> says: “What do you think happened to all the other things?
> The razor blade that doesn’t get blunt? The car that runs
> on water with a pinch of something else?”
>
> It's harder to come up with clear-cut real-world example
> of where companies sought to reduce the quality of a
> product in order to boost sales. But in the October 2014
> issue of IEEE Spectrum, Markus Krajewski tells the story
> of "The Great Lightbulb Conspiracy: The Phoebus cartel
> engineered a shorter-lived lightbulb and gave birth to
> planned obsolescence."
> <http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/history/the-great-lightbulb-conspiracy>
> ...
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>
> >
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