[OSList] Lurker game

Daniel Mezick via OSList oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Tue Jan 6 05:40:46 PST 2015 

Welcome, Judith!

On 1/6/15 5:28 AM, AoH Kenya via OSList wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I am new to this list (applied in October) and fairly new using OS for 
> facilitation - I am definitely a chick among you ;-)
> Hence so far I was only lurking… feel I have nothing to contribute but 
> to listen/read and learn (if my inbox is not full with other urgent 
> things).
>
> I liked the comment from Paul Levy and Michael Hermann to this OSList 
> game and would like to reply to the questions from Michael.
>
>> 1. when did you first hear about os or ost?
> 2009 at an Art of Hosting training
>> 2. what was the hook?  how did you notice it might have value?
> I love the simplicity and the self-organisation. As well as the 
> “honesty” how OS works because the first time as caller I had first 
> non and at the end one participant - it she was the right person for me.
> Further OS fits to my spiritual and business values in life.
>> 3. when did you notice that you'd started letting it inform how you live?
> During an OS training I realised that this is exactly the method I 
> love to use and personally need more because I learn more and more how 
> to let go and trust the process of the team. The principles are 
> perfect guidelines in every gathering too!
>> 4. what has happened since then?  what difference does it seem to make?
> …listening, observing, waiting. Everything needs its time. If I pull 
> on the grass it will not grow faster ;-)
>
> Regarding readability in this OSList:
> Is there the technical possibility if someone replies to an email 
> (that was already a reply to one or more other emails) to hid the 
> original email(s)?
> A kind of drop down menu that I can open optional the emails below to 
> which it is referring?
> I would feel that this would make it easier to read it. Otherwise I 
> get lost when I scroll down… and usually never get until the end 
> because it is so long.
>
>
> Best wishes & warm regards from Kenya,
> Judith
>
>
> NB: sorry for the late response but first I faced technical problems 
> and than I was on holidays
>
> *
> *
> *Art of Hosting Kenya
> *
> Bikundo Onyari & Judith Stemerdink-Herret
>
> Phone: Bikundo +254 721 339 389
>             Judith +254 788 516 866
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>
>
> /"If the branch is to flower, it must honour its roots."/
>  African Proverb
>
>>
>> Am 11.12.2014 um 00:25 schrieb Daniel Mezick via OSList:
>>> Some of us were on a call on Tuesday, talking about Open Space....and
>>> OSLIST....
>>>
>>> ...the participants at the time were....
>>>
>>> Chuni Li
>>> Daniel Mezick
>>> Karen Davis
>>> Linda Stevenson
>>> Lucas Cioffi
>>> Paul Levy
>>> Peggy Holman
>>> Skye Hirst
>>> Suzanne Daigle
>>> Tricia Chirumbole
>>> Harold Shinsato
>>>
>>> We discussed OSLIST culture, and how the culture of OSLIST may not
>>> actually be very easy to figure out...
>>>
>>> ...we talked about how this list has hundreds upon hundreds of members,
>>> with just 25 to 45 people (give or take) who post or reply with anything
>>> close to a regular frequency, and how some speak with highly
>>> authoritative voices.
>>>
>>> ...we talked a bit about how the culture of OSLIST /might actually be
>>> kind of intimidating for new people/ to participate in.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Game
>>>
>>> We have no idea how many "regular lurkers" are in the group...we talked
>>> about trying to find out.
>>>
>>>
>>> So: if you are a "regular lurker", someone who examines these OSLIST
>>> threads periodically but does not actively participate ...  are you
>>> willing to play a little game?
>>>
>>>
>>> The Lurker Game: you are invited to play...
>>>
>>> 1. *...The goal* is to collectively get some idea of how many of us on
>>> the list are "regular lurkers".
>>>
>>> 2. *...The rules* are:
>>>
>>>  * If you consider yourself a "regular lurker", consider opting in to
>>>    the game, by replying...
>>>  * If you reply, absolutely nothing further will be asked of you. All
>>>    you are doing is identifying yourself as someone who lurks. 
>>> That's it.
>>>
>>> 3. ...We'll all track *the progress* by watching the thread, and seeing
>>> how many reply over time.
>>>
>>> 4. ...Participation is *opt-in*.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To participate, just hit [Reply List] and enter "hey" and press [Enter]
>>> ...or...
>>>
>>> ... (optionally) just say whatever you might want to say, instead
>>>
>>> We have no idea what might happen next; let's see what develops.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:46:58 +0000
>> From: paul levy via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org 
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> To: Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net <mailto:dan at newtechusa.net>>, 
>> World wide Open Space
>> Technology email list<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org 
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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>>
>> I've facilictated around 50 gatherings using Open Space Technology.
>>
>> And therein lies a possible interesting conundrum.
>>
>> Because I have open space thousands of times. I have also never opened
>> space quite like the next time it is going to happen. So the number 
>> if many
>> and zero.
>>
>> I've also opened space improvising around open space technology. And Open
>> Space Technology has changed around me. Self-organisation has 
>> tinkered with
>> the "recipe" - the one in the guide. But that gets talked about a lot 
>> less
>> on this list and, increasingly, a bunch of "open spacer" are sharing 
>> those
>> stories elsewhere.
>>
>> There is no such thing as open space technology. There is no guide. There
>> is no "founder", there are no gatekeepers; yet there are all of these
>> things.
>>
>> Tomorrow might just be my first ever Open Space.
>>
>> warm wishes
>>
>> Paul Levy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:26:16 -0600
>> From: Michael Herman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org 
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> To: Eva P Svensson <eva at epshumaninvest.se 
>> <mailto:eva at epshumaninvest.se>>, World wide Open Space
>> Technology email list<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org 
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> i woke up this morning thinking about this game, thinking in a direction
>> similar to paul levy.
>>
>> i am the nominal leader of a community garden now for four years.  my
>> management is deeply informed by my learning in and about open space. 
>>  does
>> it count as 1 or 4?
>>
>> i once had a client who flew me in to facilitate a meeting.  we also 
>> built
>> a weblog and they contacted me a number of times, over several years, 
>> with
>> minor technical questions.  do the meeting and the blog count as one
>> together, or two separate?
>>
>> i taught my grandma to say "ah," as she began the active process of 
>> dying.
>> she then repeated that seed syllable, a one-syllable mantra for peace, on
>> every breath of her last week of life.  she never opened her eyes but 
>> over
>> that week completely relaxed her whole body.  was that open space?  what
>> about up all night rocking a tiny, sick, neice?
>>
>> i saw some new neighbors moving in the other day.  our neighborhood has a
>> lot of old houses and everybody moves in and starts updating 
>> everything.  i
>> offered my tools and experience.  if they never take me up on that
>> offer/invitation, does it count?  what if they just look for me at my 
>> desk
>> in our front window, and wave when they see me, while out walking their
>> dog?  that could happen a lot.  must count as only once?  or maybe it
>> doesn't count at all?
>>
>> what about three opening briefings, on three consecutive days of open 
>> space
>> trainings i've done?  and what about all the things that happen after an
>> event, does the original opener get partial credit for things his/her
>> participants open later on?
>>
>> to paul's point, i can ask questions like this about almost every 
>> situation
>> where i facilitated a meeting in an open space way, and about many other
>> situations where i was not "facilitating" anything, apparently.  this is
>> one of the ways i understand that we live in open space.
>>
>> my approach to training folks in and about open space is significantly
>> focused on the crafting of invitations, in the belief that if we make
>> enough invitations, over time, people, groups and good work are going to
>> show up.
>>
>> i also focus on discovering all the different ways that whomever i'm
>> "training" has already been opening space in their own lives.  i don't
>> think anyone could come to this work without having already done it 
>> before.
>> it would be completely un-understandable to them without prior 
>> experience.
>> i think people ask for training so they can do what they already know/do
>> better.  so i try to build on and from whatever understanding they bring.
>>
>> so this question of seven or more is not so easy for me.  not sure it's
>> even helpful.  i'm more interested in questions like:
>>
>> 1. when did you first hear about os or ost?
>> 2. what was the hook?  how did you notice it might have value?
>> 3. when did you notice that you'd started letting it inform how you live?
>> 4. what has happened since then?  what difference does it seem to make?
>>
>> and so on.  a new game?  the next round?  maybe.  or maybe it's just the
>> game Murli called OSLIST back in 1996?
>>
>> michael
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Herman
>> Michael Herman Associates
>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>>
>> http://MichaelHerman.com <http://michaelherman.com/>
>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/>
>
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