[OSList] From linkedin today
Daniel Mezick
dan at newtechusa.net
Fri Jan 10 05:49:25 PST 2014
Hi Michael...
So interesting this phrase:
"...Sort of a permaculture for
human systems."
Organizational Permaculture is a interesting idea.
A little while ago, I think in late 2012, I set up a Facebook group to
discuss the application of Permaculture concepts to organizations...it
has over 100 of members now...here is the link:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/147096195442450/. OST is a prime example
of an OrgPerma practice. I hope you will consider taking a look.
Kind Regards,
Dan
On 1/10/14 4:03 AM, Michael M Pannwitz wrote:
> Here is a link to a long list of measures the European Union is employing
>> http://ec.europa.eu/education/programmes/llp/guide/glossary_en.html
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> mmp
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> On 10.01.2014 08:55, christine koehler wrote:
>> Thank you Peggy and David
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>> I' will think over all your answers
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>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 6:03 AM, Peggy Holman <peggy at peggyholman.com
>> <mailto:peggy at peggyholman.com>> wrote:
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>> I have a different response to Christine’s question:
>>> if we want to keep the system healthy and alive, what should we
>>> do ?”
>>
>> I’d say take responsibility for what you love.
>>
>> A system exists through the interactions among its diverse agents.
>> Some of those agents, whether in an organism or in an organization,
>> attend to the system’s health. Think of the role of kidneys for
>> flushing out toxins. In human systems, people, rather than cells,
>> organize stuff. You could argue that hierarchies are an
>> overcompensation of a system that ultimately leaves unflushed
>> toxicity in its wake, sometimes killing off the organization. Or at
>> least making it function in less optimal ways.
>>
>> As David said, as we come to understand principles of
>> self-organizing, we’re better equipped to do stuff that is congruent
>> with natural patterns. I think current trends towards network forms
>> of organizing are a promising experiment in a system’s agents
>> working with those natural principles. Sort of a permaculture for
>> human systems.
>>
>>
>> Christine, to your questions about size:
>>> But then how do you do with very large systems ? Or does it mean
>>> that any system that is too large to come regularly together as a
>>> whole is oversized ? should split into several smaller systems to
>>> keep its good health
>>
>> Important questions. I suspect as we learn more about how networks
>> function, the answers to your questions will get clearer. I can only
>> speculate. I can imagine people meeting on behalf of the whole in
>> transparent ways that are open to anyone who cares to show up. And
>> if overwhelming numbers want to be there, perhaps intersecting
>> circles come into play. Layers of wholeness exist in systems. So
>> those who feel called to convene on behalf of the whole take
>> responsibility for it. And connect with others who share in that
>> sort of stewarding function. Holding it all lightly and not working
>> too hard, of course. :-)
>>
>> Just mulling…
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>>
>> Peggy
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>> get burnt, is to become
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>> On Jan 9, 2014, at 5:00 PM, David Osborne
>> <dosborne at change-fusion.com <mailto:dosborne at change-fusion.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Christine,
>>>
>>> I think the tendency toward coherence or fragmentation is the
>>> organizing principle.
>>>
>>> I see supporting coherence as a part of the process, not an
>>> organizing principle in itself. It's a choice, similar to the
>>> other individual and group choices that are a part of
>>> self-organization.
>>>
>>> Most of us here on the list serve choose to facilitate / host open
>>> space sessions. I'd suggest this choice usually leads to building
>>> coherence. So it is with other coherence supporting choices.The
>>> system may or may not do it itself.
>>>
>>> Another way I would frame it is that organizations I frequently
>>> work in are stuck in patterns that they are dissatisfied or
>>> frustrated with. Think poor business results, customer
>>> satisfaction, work environment, employee engagement / satisfaction
>>> etc. Control is the great inhibitor of self-organization and often
>>> prevents new coherent patterns being able to emerge. I find that
>>> I can often guide or make suggestions that enable these groups to
>>> tap into the power of organization to create new self-reinforcng
>>> patterns that they prefer. And my involvement and the choice to be
>>> open to my suggestions are all choices that are part of the
>>> self-organization. I'm suggesting that we / they that support
>>> coherence are also part of the self-organizing, not separate
>>> from it.
>>>
>>> I don't mean to be cryptic in my above comments. I find myself
>>> continuing to build my own (and hopefully shared) language that
>>> describes self-organization. I loved the statement earlier in this
>>> exchange that compared self-organization to gravity. I do believe
>>> they are both laws that operate invisibly all the time. The point
>>> made was that understanding gravity is key to being able to fly to
>>> the moon. I think similarly the more we understand and can share
>>> the principles of self-organization, we can help humanity fly
>>> versus staying stuck in conflict and competition.Thus my continual
>>> search to find better ways of sharing and communicating.
>>>
>>> I'm really enjoying tracking and participating in this dialogue
>>> and thanks to all that are contributing and listening/reading.
>>>
>>> David
>>> 703-939-1777
>>> dosborne at change-fusion.com <mailto:dosborne at change-fusion.com>
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>>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Christine
>>> <chris.alice.koehler at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:chris.alice.koehler at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi David
>>>
>>> Very interesting, that makes sense to me. Does it mean that
>>> supporting coherence of the system as a whole should be an
>>> organizing principle ?
>>> But then Harrison will say I guess that it is not necessary,
>>> as self org. will take care of the system itself.
>>> Then there is something that I don't understand about
>>> self-org. : if we want to keep the system healthy and alive,
>>> what should we do ?
>>>
>>> Christine Koehler
>>> 06 13 28 71 38 <tel:06%2013%2028%2071%2038>
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>>> Le 9 janv. 2014 à 22:20, David Osborne <
>>> dosborne at change-fusion.com
>>> <mailto:dosborne at change-fusion.com>> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> I found the questions about how do you keep a system as a
>>>> coherent whole fascinating.
>>>>
>>>> Part of the dance is the back and forth between coherence and
>>>> fragmentation. Chaos offers both opportunity and threat, new
>>>> life and death. Coherence leads to new life patterns
>>>> emerging, fragmentation leads towards death and the cycle
>>>> toward new life continues. In my experience there is lot's
>>>> that can be done to reinforce, nurture and support coherence.
>>>> Holding the space is one aspect. Drawing attention and
>>>> building consensus around what is emerging is another,
>>>> supporting parts of the system through conflict in a manner
>>>> that continues to increase the likelihood of coherence is a
>>>> third. There are many more...and those are some quick
>>>> thoughts for now. All of this can and is done with in the
>>>> context of self-organization and someone having the passion
>>>> and taking the initiative to do it. The two are not mutually
>>>> exclusive.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers to all.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
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>>>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 4:06 PM, christine koehler
>>>> <chris.alice.koehler at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:chris.alice.koehler at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Peggy
>>>>
>>>> If I simplify what you say (and I apologize for it), I
>>>> understand that you say that what keep a self-organized
>>>> system coherent as a whole is coming regularly together
>>>> as a whole, following our two feet to sessions called
>>>> around we love, coming back as a whole, dispersing again
>>>> for the evening. Of course I would tend to agree with
>>>> that. But then how do you do with very large systems ? Or
>>>> does it mean that any system that is too large to come
>>>> regularly together as a whole is oversized ? should split
>>>> into several smaller systems to keep its good health ?
>>>>
>>>> and what about decision making ?
>>>>
>>>> Christine
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