[OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 46, Issue 17
ingrid ebeling ebus via OSList
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Tue Dec 16 10:18:52 PST 2014
Well, I have facilitated at least 7 OST events.
and I enjoy the culture of reflections in the list,
Ingrid
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Am 15.12.2014 um 01:09 schrieb Juana Anguita via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
> Hey! Im a "lurcker" and "learner"
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> 1. Re: Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?
> (Markus Wittwer via OSList)
> 2. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
> (Bhavesh Patel via OSList)
> 3. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
> (NigelSeys-Phillips via OSList)
> 4. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
> (Daniel Mezick via OSList)
> 5. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
> (Elwin and Joan via OSList)
> 6. Re: ?regular lurker? + our OSTLIST web platform
> (Elwin and Joan via OSList)
> 7. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
> (Tova Averbuch via OSList)
> 8. Re: Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?
> (Tova Averbuch via OSList)
> 9. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
> (Arno Baltin via OSList)
> 10. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
> (paul levy via OSList)
> 11. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
> (Koos de Heer via OSList)
> 12. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
> (Thomas Herrmann via OSList)
> 13. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
> (Eva P Svensson via OSList)
> 14. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
> (Michael Herman via OSList)
> 15. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events? (via OSList)
> 16. Re: Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?
> (Francois Knuchel via OSList)
> 17. Community Gardens (Annamarie Pluhar via OSList)
> 18. Re: How do we define LURKER? (Peggy Holman via OSList)
> 19. Re: Community Gardens (Michael Herman via OSList)
> 20. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
> (Suzanne Daigle via OSList)
> 21. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
> (Peggy Holman via OSList)
> 22. Re: How do we define LURKER? (ingrid ebeling ebus via OSList)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 01:19:30 +0100
> From: Markus Wittwer via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net>, World wide Open Space
> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?
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> Lurk...
>
> Am 11.12.2014 um 00:25 schrieb Daniel Mezick via OSList:
>> Some of us were on a call on Tuesday, talking about Open Space....and
>> OSLIST....
>>
>> ...the participants at the time were....
>>
>> Chuni Li
>> Daniel Mezick
>> Karen Davis
>> Linda Stevenson
>> Lucas Cioffi
>> Paul Levy
>> Peggy Holman
>> Skye Hirst
>> Suzanne Daigle
>> Tricia Chirumbole
>> Harold Shinsato
>>
>> We discussed OSLIST culture, and how the culture of OSLIST may not
>> actually be very easy to figure out...
>>
>> ...we talked about how this list has hundreds upon hundreds of members,
>> with just 25 to 45 people (give or take) who post or reply with anything
>> close to a regular frequency, and how some speak with highly
>> authoritative voices.
>>
>> ...we talked a bit about how the culture of OSLIST /might actually be
>> kind of intimidating for new people/ to participate in.
>>
>>
>> The Game
>>
>> We have no idea how many "regular lurkers" are in the group...we talked
>> about trying to find out.
>>
>>
>> So: if you are a "regular lurker", someone who examines these OSLIST
>> threads periodically but does not actively participate ... are you
>> willing to play a little game?
>>
>>
>> The Lurker Game: you are invited to play...
>>
>> 1. *...The goal* is to collectively get some idea of how many of us on
>> the list are "regular lurkers".
>>
>> 2. *...The rules* are:
>>
>> * If you consider yourself a "regular lurker", consider opting in to
>> the game, by replying...
>> * If you reply, absolutely nothing further will be asked of you. All
>> you are doing is identifying yourself as someone who lurks. That's it.
>>
>> 3. ...We'll all track *the progress* by watching the thread, and seeing
>> how many reply over time.
>>
>> 4. ...Participation is *opt-in*.
>>
>>
>>
>> To participate, just hit [Reply List] and enter "hey" and press [Enter]
>> ...or...
>>
>> ... (optionally) just say whatever you might want to say, instead
>>
>> We have no idea what might happen next; let's see what develops.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 02:43:31 +0200
> From: Bhavesh Patel via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net>, World wide Open Space
> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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> ?Around 50... just finished one today in Kiev!
>
>
>
> On 13 December 2014 at 18:34, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>
>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
>> being reported!
>>
>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
>> *explore....*
>>
>> So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call it
>> the OST-7 Game:
>>
>>
>> ========================================
>> *The OST-7** Game*
>> ========================================
>>
>> *The Goal:*
>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
>> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth
> of
>> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>
>> *The Rules:*
>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
>> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
>> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
>> color, etc
>>
>> *Tracking Progress:*
>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of
>> OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
>> absolutely any other measures you like
>>
>> *Play:*
>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
>> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>
>> ========================================
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> - For this game, "OST" means something like this:
>> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>> - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
>> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>> - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
>> stays together, under the same subject
>>
>>
>> Steps to Play:
>>
>> - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>> - Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to
>> say
>>
>>
>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> --
>>
>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>
>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>
>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>
>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>
>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the Agile
>> Manager.
>>
>> Explore Agile Team Training
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>>
>> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>
>> Community.
>>
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> From: NigelSeys-Phillips via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: "'Daniel Mezick'" <dan at newtechusa.net>, "'World wide Open Space
> Technology email list'" <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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> Hair colour is an interesting concept??seems to have been getting a lot
> greyer with time?..
>
>
>
> Yes indeed ? comfortably over 7 (if not massively so) and still going J
>
>> From 12 ? 250?street children to business executives
>
>
>
> All fun and all Open
>
>
>
> Oh yes ? it?s hot again here in Malaysia J
>
>
>
> Nigel
>
>
>
> Nigel Seys-Phillips
>
> Fulcrum Business Management Solutions
>
> Tel: +65 9639 2510
>
> E-mail: nigel at fulcrum.com.sg
>
> www.fulcrum.com.sg
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> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of
> Daniel Mezick via OSList
> Sent: Sunday, 14 December 2014 12:34 AM
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> Subject: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
>
>
>
> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>
> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience being
> reported!
>
> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ... explore....
>
> So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it the
> OST-7 Game:
>
>
> ========================================
> The OST-7 Game
> ========================================
>
> The Goal:
> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7 or
> more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of
> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>
> The Rules:
> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with "hey"
> ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to say, for
> example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair color, etc
>
> Tracking Progress:
> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of
> OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
> absolutely any other measures you like
>
> Play:
> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer to
> just watch the game, that's OK too.
>
> ========================================
>
>
>
> Notes:
>
> * For this game, "OST" means something like this:
> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
> * This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
> * Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
> stays together, under the same subject
>
>
> Steps to Play:
>
> * Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
> * Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to
> say
>
>
> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>
> Daniel
>
> --
>
>
>
> Daniel Mezick, President
>
> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>
> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>
> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/> . <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>
> Blog. <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/> Twitter.
>
> Examine my new book: <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>
> The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager.
>
> Explore Agile Team <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/>
> Training and <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
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> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 21:48:30 -0500
> From: Daniel Mezick via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list'
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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> I used have more hair, and it used to be blond. I think I have
> Facilitated about 14 or 15 Open Space events in all since about 2009.
> Since then I've also been responsible for helping arrange many others.
>
>
> I am primarily interested in bringing the genuine spirit and practice of
> Open Space into Agile adoptions. This is a huge uphill effort. Most all
> Agile adoptions are authoritative top-down mandates of practices,
> instead of inviting and engaging explorations of core principles. As
> such, I think we might have a big opportunity there, to authentically
> open up some space, and make a big impact.
>
> * I used to program computers and teach other folks how to do it for a
> living. I have a software patent.
> http://www.google.com/patents/US5872974
> * Lately I've been drawn to biology and the emerging science of
> epigenetics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics
> * I entertain many controversial theories, for example:
> http://www.panspermia.org/intro.htm.
>
>
> My Dad was always fond of saying: "you're really good at collecting some
> very offbeat friends."
>
> That's certainly been my experience here...
>
> Daniel
>
>
> On 12/13/14 8:19 PM, NigelSeys-Phillips wrote:
>>
>> Hair colour is an interesting concept??seems to have been getting a
>> lot greyer with time?..
>>
>> Yes indeed ? comfortably over 7 (if not massively so) and still going J
>>
>> From 12 ? 250?street children to business executives
>>
>> All fun and all Open
>>
>> Oh yes ? it?s hot again here in Malaysia J
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>> Nigel Seys-Phillips
>>
>> Fulcrum Business Management Solutions
>>
>> Tel: +65 9639 2510
>>
>> E-mail: nigel at fulcrum.com.sg <mailto:nigel at fulcrum.com.sg>
>>
>> www.fulcrum.com.sg
>>
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>> *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Daniel Mezick via OSList
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 14 December 2014 12:34 AM
>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> *Subject:* [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
>>
>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>
>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
>> being reported!
>>
>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
>> /explore..../
>>
>> So: if you want, /you are cordially invited/ to play ... let's call it
>> the OST-7 Game:
>>
>>
>> ========================================
>> *The OST-7 Game*
>> ========================================
>>
>> *The Goal:*
>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually
>> Facilitated 7 or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way:
>> what is the depth of practical OST facilitation experience across the
>> entire membership?
>>
>> *The Rules:*
>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
>> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like
>> to say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one,
>> your hair color, etc
>>
>> *Tracking Progress:*
>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries,
>> # of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair,
>> or absolutely any other measures you like
>> *
>> Play:*
>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and
>> prefer to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>
>> ========================================
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> * For this game, "OST" means something like this:
>> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>> * This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
>> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>> * Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the
>> thread stays together, under the same subject
>>
>>
>> Steps to Play:
>>
>> * Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>> * Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like
>> to say
>>
>>
>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> --
>>
>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>
>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>
>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>
>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>
>> Examine my new book:The Culture Game
>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the
>> Agile Manager.
>>
>> Explore Agile Team Training
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>>
>> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net/user-groups/ma/>Community.
>>
>
> --
>
> Daniel Mezick, President
>
> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>
> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>
> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>
> Examine my new book:The Culture Game
> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the
> Agile Manager.
>
> Explore Agile Team Training
> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>
> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>Community.
>
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> From: Elwin and Joan via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net>, World wide Open Space
> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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> too many to count
>
> From: Daniel Mezick via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 11:34 AM
> Subject: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
>
> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>
> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience being
> reported!
>
> So interesting ... so much depth.? Seems like something to ... explore....
>
> So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it the
> OST-7 Game:
>
>
> ========================================
> The OST-7 Game
> ========================================
>
> The Goal:
> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of
> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>
> The Rules:
> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with "hey"
> ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to say, for
> example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair color, etc
>
> Tracking Progress:
> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of
> OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
> absolutely any other measures you like
>
> Play:
> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>
> ========================================
>
>
>
> Notes:
>
> - For this game, "OST" means something like this:
> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>
> - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've Facilitated
> at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>
> - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
> stays together, under the same subject
>
> Steps to Play:
>
> - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
> - Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to say
>
>
>
> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>
>
>
> Daniel
>
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> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 03:10:34 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Elwin and Joan via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>, World wide Open
> Space
> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] ?regular lurker? + our OSTLIST web platform
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> Michael,
>
> You sir are truly a give of God.
>
> We all are in your debt.
> Elwin Guild
>
> From: Michael Herman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Patricia Haines <levelgreen2010 at gmail.com>; World wide Open Space
> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [OSList] ?regular lurker? + our OSTLIST web platform
>
> I think it was about 1998 when murkier, who started the list at boise state
> univ, suggested moving the list to a fancy up-and-coming platform called
> egroups. It was a threaded discussion email site. In my memory, must be the
> biggest and most energized conversation we ever had on this list. In the
> end, it was rejected. And where is egroups today?
> At openspaceworld.org, since 1999, we have had discussion forums, wiki,
> wordpress group blog, but the I think the best thing we did was that I wrote
> some "about OST" stuff and artur de silva suggested that it ought to be in
> languages other than English. He volunteered to do Spanish andPortuguese,
> others did their languages too. The tasks were simple and defined and got
> done whenever anyone came forward and offered something. Now we have links
> to intro material in 17 languages I think. All completely unplanned,
> but?supported by just?keeping the site online.?
> In the meantime, there is a Wikipedia page, a Facebook group, a Ning
> community, the os hotline,?and any number of regional lists and groups and
> meet ups of various shapes and frequencies.?
> it's easy to design and build a site or platform, but yet another thing to
> keep it going and up to date. And I don't think we can?build anything and
> expect it to both replace an established community center and also grow past
> it, succeeding where every past effort has not.?
> At the same time, none of those prior offerings really set out to replace
> anything, I think. They all just offered something else. And that is an
> approach that seems very open spacey to me, to just do something, try
> something, offer something and see what happens. It might displace
> everything or nothing, but that won't matter. It's the offering, I think,
> that keep us going.?
> I'm glad to offer sub domain space at openspaceworld.org for anything that
> wants building and trying. Done this with many language wikis over the
> years.?
> I'm also getting ready to cleanup at openspaceworld.org, so anyone who wants
> to help think and do about that is welcome. It's the one big site/platform
> we have that's completely unconstrained by the structures imposed by service
> companies like Facebook. So we can do anything we want there to tie all the
> other things together, as long as we also find a way to maintain past
> contributions.?
> I always keep looking for ways for openspaceworld.org to virtually
> disappear, into just a set of links, something michael pannwitz suggested to
> me when the site was still just six months old, and in that way to suggest
> and?demonstrate?that os is much bigger than any of these platforms.?
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, December 13, 2014, Patricia Haines via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Please don't replace this listserv with something complicated!
>
> Level Green Institute: fostering just & sustainable community through
> education and the arts
> On Dec 13, 2014, at 5:35 AM, Arturo Uscategui-Colaboremos via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear All,And what ifwe set a team to design, develop, deliver and maintain
> our new wonderful OSTLIST web platform,which will be up to the requirements
> to replace this OSLIST?This teamcould work on an Agile way. I?ll behappy to
> contribute. I don?t know exactly how, but I?ll be there to do it
> togetherwith those who wish to do it also. ;)ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT FROM
> WITHIN
> www.colaboremos.com?Arturo Usc?tegui Restrepo
> Transition Facilitator Specialized in Organizational Development.?
> Helping organizations to collaborate and find their own solutions from
> within+33 (0)6 52 14 29 09Skype: auscateguirTwitter: @icolaboremosLinked in
> : fr.linkedin.com/in/arturouscategui/
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:45:35 +0200
> From: Tova Averbuch via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Bhavesh Patel <bhavmail at gmail.com>, World wide Open Space
> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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> About 500. Since 1999
> Tova Averbuch
>
> ???? ??-iPhone ???
>
> ?-Dec 14, 2014, ???? 2:43, Bhavesh Patel via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> ???/?:
>
>> ?Around 50... just finished one today in Kiev!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13 December 2014 at 18:34, Daniel Mezick via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>>
>>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
> being reported!
>>>
>>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
> explore....
>>>
>>> So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it the
> OST-7 Game:
>>>
>>>
>>> ========================================
>>> The OST-7 Game
>>> ========================================
>>>
>>> The Goal:
>>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of
> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>>
>>> The Rules:
>>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
> color, etc
>>>
>>> Tracking Progress:
>>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, #
> of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
> absolutely any other measures you like
>>>
>>> Play:
>>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>>
>>> ========================================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>> For this game, "OST" means something like this:
> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>>> This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've Facilitated at
> least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>>> Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread stays
> together, under the same subject
>>>
>>> Steps to Play:
>>> Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>>> Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to say
>>>
>>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>>
>>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>>
>>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>>
>>> Bio. Blog. Twitter.
>>>
>>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager.
>>>
>>> Explore Agile Team Training and Coaching.
>>>
>>> Explore the Agile Boston Community.
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:51:55 +0200
> From: Tova Averbuch via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Markus Wittwer <Markus.Wittwer at web.de>, World wide Open Space
> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?
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> Unfortunately in the last 7 years I am not.
> For seven years (1999-2006) I was both frequent lurker and contributor. And
> then could not have the time and attention for many reasons.
> I am in love and it debt to this beautiful community and list and am trying
> to meet Face to face in WOS on OS events
>
> Hope to lurk again spoon and meet old and new friends!:)
> Much love
> Tova Averbuch
>
>
> ???? ??-iPhone ???
>
> ?-Dec 14, 2014, ???? 2:19, Markus Wittwer via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> ???/?:
>
>> Lurk...
>>
>> Am 11.12.2014 um 00:25 schrieb Daniel Mezick via OSList:
>>> Some of us were on a call on Tuesday, talking about Open Space....and
>>> OSLIST....
>>>
>>> ...the participants at the time were....
>>>
>>> Chuni Li
>>> Daniel Mezick
>>> Karen Davis
>>> Linda Stevenson
>>> Lucas Cioffi
>>> Paul Levy
>>> Peggy Holman
>>> Skye Hirst
>>> Suzanne Daigle
>>> Tricia Chirumbole
>>> Harold Shinsato
>>>
>>> We discussed OSLIST culture, and how the culture of OSLIST may not
>>> actually be very easy to figure out...
>>>
>>> ...we talked about how this list has hundreds upon hundreds of members,
>>> with just 25 to 45 people (give or take) who post or reply with anything
>>> close to a regular frequency, and how some speak with highly
>>> authoritative voices.
>>>
>>> ...we talked a bit about how the culture of OSLIST /might actually be
>>> kind of intimidating for new people/ to participate in.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Game
>>>
>>> We have no idea how many "regular lurkers" are in the group...we talked
>>> about trying to find out.
>>>
>>>
>>> So: if you are a "regular lurker", someone who examines these OSLIST
>>> threads periodically but does not actively participate ... are you
>>> willing to play a little game?
>>>
>>>
>>> The Lurker Game: you are invited to play...
>>>
>>> 1. *...The goal* is to collectively get some idea of how many of us on
>>> the list are "regular lurkers".
>>>
>>> 2. *...The rules* are:
>>>
>>> * If you consider yourself a "regular lurker", consider opting in to
>>> the game, by replying...
>>> * If you reply, absolutely nothing further will be asked of you. All
>>> you are doing is identifying yourself as someone who lurks. That's it.
>>>
>>> 3. ...We'll all track *the progress* by watching the thread, and seeing
>>> how many reply over time.
>>>
>>> 4. ...Participation is *opt-in*.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To participate, just hit [Reply List] and enter "hey" and press [Enter]
>>> ...or...
>>>
>>> ... (optionally) just say whatever you might want to say, instead
>>>
>>> We have no idea what might happen next; let's see what develops.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 12:39:27 +0200
> From: Arno Baltin via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net>, World wide Open Space
> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>, OSLIST
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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> Hi!
>
> 7+
>
> I appreciate your effort Daniel!
>
> Be well!
>
> Arno
>
>
>
>
> 2014-12-13 18:34 GMT+02:00 Daniel Mezick via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>
>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>
>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
>> being reported!
>>
>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
>> *explore....*
>>
>> So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call it
>> the OST-7 Game:
>>
>>
>> ========================================
>> *The OST-7** Game*
>> ========================================
>>
>> *The Goal:*
>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
>> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth
> of
>> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>
>> *The Rules:*
>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
>> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
>> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
>> color, etc
>>
>> *Tracking Progress:*
>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of
>> OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
>> absolutely any other measures you like
>>
>> *Play:*
>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
>> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>
>> ========================================
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> - For this game, "OST" means something like this:
>> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>> - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
>> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>> - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
>> stays together, under the same subject
>>
>>
>> Steps to Play:
>>
>> - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>> - Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to
>> say
>>
>>
>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> --
>>
>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>
>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>
>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>
>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>
>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the Agile
>> Manager.
>>
>> Explore Agile Team Training
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>>
>> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>
>> Community.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:46:58 +0000
> From: paul levy via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net>, World wide Open Space
> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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> I've facilictated around 50 gatherings using Open Space Technology.
>
> And therein lies a possible interesting conundrum.
>
> Because I have open space thousands of times. I have also never opened
> space quite like the next time it is going to happen. So the number if many
> and zero.
>
> I've also opened space improvising around open space technology. And Open
> Space Technology has changed around me. Self-organisation has tinkered with
> the "recipe" - the one in the guide. But that gets talked about a lot less
> on this list and, increasingly, a bunch of "open spacer" are sharing those
> stories elsewhere.
>
> There is no such thing as open space technology. There is no guide. There
> is no "founder", there are no gatekeepers; yet there are all of these
> things.
>
> Tomorrow might just be my first ever Open Space.
>
> warm wishes
>
> Paul Levy
>
> On 13 December 2014 at 16:34, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>
>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
>> being reported!
>>
>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
>> *explore....*
>>
>> So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call it
>> the OST-7 Game:
>>
>>
>> ========================================
>> *The OST-7** Game*
>> ========================================
>>
>> *The Goal:*
>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
>> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth
> of
>> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>
>> *The Rules:*
>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
>> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
>> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
>> color, etc
>>
>> *Tracking Progress:*
>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of
>> OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
>> absolutely any other measures you like
>>
>> *Play:*
>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
>> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>
>> ========================================
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> - For this game, "OST" means something like this:
>> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>> - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
>> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>> - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
>> stays together, under the same subject
>>
>>
>> Steps to Play:
>>
>> - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>> - Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to
>> say
>>
>>
>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> --
>>
>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>
>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>
>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>
>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>
>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the Agile
>> Manager.
>>
>> Explore Agile Team Training
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>>
>> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>
>> Community.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OSList mailing list
>> To post send emails to OSList at lists.openspacetech.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to OSList-leave at lists.openspacetech.org
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> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 12:40:10 +0100
> From: Koos de Heer via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net>, World wide Open Space
> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
> Message-ID: <x8lln2pywl5rfbssgq9cmkbx.1418557210720 at email.android.com>
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>
> I have done so many that I have lost count. I always dream of going back in
> all my calendars and do a count. So far, haven't gotten around to it.
>
> Happy lurking!
>
> Met vriendelijke groet,
>
> Koos de Heer
>
> Daniel Mezick via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>schreef:
>
>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>
>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
>> being reported!
>>
>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
> /explore..../
>>
>> So: if you want, /you are cordially invited/ to play ... let's call it
>> the OST-7 Game:
>>
>>
>> ========================================
>> *The OST-7**Game*
>> ========================================
>>
>> *The Goal:*
>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated
>> 7 or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the
>> depth of practical OST facilitation experience across the entire
> membership?
>>
>> *The Rules:*
>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
>> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
>> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your
>> hair color, etc
>>
>> *Tracking Progress:*
>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, #
>> of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
>> absolutely any other measures you like
>> *
>> **Play:*
>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and
>> prefer to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>
>> ========================================
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> * For this game, "OST" means something like this:
>> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>> * This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
>> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>> * Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
>> stays together, under the same subject
>>
>>
>> Steps to Play:
>>
>> * Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>> * Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to say
>>
>>
>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> --
>>
>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>
>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>
>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>
>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>
>> Examine my new book:The Culture Game
>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the
>> Agile Manager.
>>
>> Explore Agile Team Training
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>>
>> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>Community.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OSList mailing list
>> To post send emails to OSList at lists.openspacetech.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to OSList-leave at lists.openspacetech.org
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> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 12:56:33 +0100
> From: Thomas Herrmann via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Arno Baltin <arno at tlu.ee>, World wide Open Space Technology email
> list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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>
> Yes
> Lost count but several hundred these 15yrs. Also trained approx 300 people
> and I hear often about their opening space all over. A true joy that gives
> me faith for the future.
> Thomas Herrmann in Sweden
>
> Skickat fr?n min iPhone
>
>> 14 dec 2014 kl. 11:39 skrev Arno Baltin via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> 7+
>>
>> I appreciate your effort Daniel!
>>
>> Be well!
>>
>> Arno
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-12-13 18:34 GMT+02:00 Daniel Mezick via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>>
>>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>>
>>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
> being reported!
>>>
>>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
> explore....
>>>
>>> So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it the
> OST-7 Game:
>>>
>>>
>>> ========================================
>>> The OST-7 Game
>>> ========================================
>>>
>>> The Goal:
>>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of
> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>>
>>> The Rules:
>>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your
> hair color, etc
>>>
>>> Tracking Progress:
>>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, #
> of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
> absolutely any other measures you like
>>>
>>> Play:
>>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>>
>>> ========================================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>> For this game, "OST" means something like this:
> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>>> This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've Facilitated at
> least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>>> Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread stays
> together, under the same subject
>>>
>>> Steps to Play:
>>> Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>>> Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to say
>>>
>>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>>
>>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>>
>>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>>
>>> Bio. Blog. Twitter.
>>>
>>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager.
>>>
>>> Explore Agile Team Training and Coaching.
>>>
>>> Explore the Agile Boston Community.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OSList mailing list
>>> To post send emails to OSList at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> To unsubscribe send an email to OSList-leave at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
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> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:47:08 +0100
> From: Eva P Svensson via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Gray <graydancer at gmail.com>, World wide Open Space Technology
> email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
> Message-ID: <10DA2584-609C-4797-8633-3A2042C47525 at epshumaninvest.se>
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>
> I have also stopped counting :-)
> But love doing it whenever it?s possible.
> :o)
> Eva
> Sweden
>
> B?sta h?lsningar
>
> Eva P Svensson
>
> EPS Human Invest AB
> Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc
> Medlem i Beyond Performance Group
>
> "Verksamhetsutveckling genom m?nniskor skapar l?ngsiktigt v?lm?ende f?retag
> och organisationer"
>
> An?sbergsv?gen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
> Bes?ksadress; Norra All?gatan 8, G?teborg
> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
> www.epshumaninvest.se <http://www.epshumaninvest.se/>
> Skype: eva.p.svensson
> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>
> "Jag kan inte l?ra dig n?got. Allt jag kan g?ra ?r att st?lla fr?gor till
> dig, och l?ta dig sj?lv finna svaren." Sokrates
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> 13 dec 2014 kl. 18:05 skrev Gray via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>
>> Um...I've facilitated, at this point, a little over 60. Smallest was 8
> people on Maui. Largest was about 375, in Chicago. Been doing it since 2007.
>>
>> And I say "um..." Because I am still learning, still figuring it out, and
> still hear Lisa Heft in my head saying "be more invisible, Gray..."
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>
>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
> being reported!
>>
>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ... explore....
>>
>> So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it the
> OST-7 Game:
>>
>>
>> ========================================
>> The OST-7 Game
>> ========================================
>>
>> The Goal:
>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of
> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>
>> The Rules:
>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
> color, etc
>>
>> Tracking Progress:
>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of
> OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
> absolutely any other measures you like
>>
>> Play:
>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>
>> ========================================
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> For this game, "OST" means something like this:
> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
> <http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm>
>> This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've Facilitated at
> least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>> Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread stays
> together, under the same subject
>>
>> Steps to Play:
>> Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>> Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to say
>>
>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>
>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>
>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>
>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>
>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game?
> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the Agile
> Manager.
>> Explore Agile Team Training
> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>> Explore the Agile Boston?
> <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>Community.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OSList mailing list
>> To post send emails to OSList at lists.openspacetech.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to OSList-leave at lists.openspacetech.org
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:26:16 -0600
> From: Michael Herman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Eva P Svensson <eva at epshumaninvest.se>, World wide Open Space
> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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> i woke up this morning thinking about this game, thinking in a direction
> similar to paul levy.
>
> i am the nominal leader of a community garden now for four years. my
> management is deeply informed by my learning in and about open space. does
> it count as 1 or 4?
>
> i once had a client who flew me in to facilitate a meeting. we also built
> a weblog and they contacted me a number of times, over several years, with
> minor technical questions. do the meeting and the blog count as one
> together, or two separate?
>
> i taught my grandma to say "ah," as she began the active process of dying.
> she then repeated that seed syllable, a one-syllable mantra for peace, on
> every breath of her last week of life. she never opened her eyes but over
> that week completely relaxed her whole body. was that open space? what
> about up all night rocking a tiny, sick, neice?
>
> i saw some new neighbors moving in the other day. our neighborhood has a
> lot of old houses and everybody moves in and starts updating everything. i
> offered my tools and experience. if they never take me up on that
> offer/invitation, does it count? what if they just look for me at my desk
> in our front window, and wave when they see me, while out walking their
> dog? that could happen a lot. must count as only once? or maybe it
> doesn't count at all?
>
> what about three opening briefings, on three consecutive days of open space
> trainings i've done? and what about all the things that happen after an
> event, does the original opener get partial credit for things his/her
> participants open later on?
>
> to paul's point, i can ask questions like this about almost every situation
> where i facilitated a meeting in an open space way, and about many other
> situations where i was not "facilitating" anything, apparently. this is
> one of the ways i understand that we live in open space.
>
> my approach to training folks in and about open space is significantly
> focused on the crafting of invitations, in the belief that if we make
> enough invitations, over time, people, groups and good work are going to
> show up.
>
> i also focus on discovering all the different ways that whomever i'm
> "training" has already been opening space in their own lives. i don't
> think anyone could come to this work without having already done it before.
> it would be completely un-understandable to them without prior experience.
> i think people ask for training so they can do what they already know/do
> better. so i try to build on and from whatever understanding they bring.
>
> so this question of seven or more is not so easy for me. not sure it's
> even helpful. i'm more interested in questions like:
>
> 1. when did you first hear about os or ost?
> 2. what was the hook? how did you notice it might have value?
> 3. when did you notice that you'd started letting it inform how you live?
> 4. what has happened since then? what difference does it seem to make?
>
> and so on. a new game? the next round? maybe. or maybe it's just the
> game Murli called OSLIST back in 1996?
>
> michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> I have also stopped counting :-)
>> But love doing it whenever it?s possible.
>> :o)
>> Eva
>> Sweden
>>
>> B?sta h?lsningar
>>
>>
>> Eva P Svensson
>>
>>
>> *EPS Human Invest AB*
>> *Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc*
>> *Medlem i Beyond Performance Group*
>>
>>
>> *"Verksamhetsutveckling genom m?nniskor skapar l?ngsiktigt v?lm?ende
>> f?retag och organisationer"*
>>
>>
>> An?sbergsv?gen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
>> Bes?ksadress; Norra All?gatan 8, G?teborg
>> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
>> www.epshumaninvest.se
>> Skype: eva.p.svensson
>> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
>> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>>
>> *"Jag kan inte l?ra dig n?got. Allt jag kan g?ra ?r att st?lla fr?gor till
>> dig, och l?ta dig sj?lv finna svaren." Sokrates*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 13 dec 2014 kl. 18:05 skrev Gray via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>
>> Um...I've facilitated, at this point, a little over 60. Smallest was 8
>> people on Maui. Largest was about 375, in Chicago. Been doing it since
> 2007.
>>
>> And I say "um..." Because I am still learning, still figuring it out, and
>> still hear Lisa Heft in my head saying "be more invisible, Gray..."
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>>
>>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
>>> being reported!
>>>
>>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
>>> *explore....*
>>>
>>> So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call it
>>> the OST-7 Game:
>>>
>>>
>>> ========================================
>>> *The OST-7** Game*
>>> ========================================
>>>
>>> *The Goal:*
>>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
>>> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth
> of
>>> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>>
>>> *The Rules:*
>>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
>>> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
>>> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
>>> color, etc
>>>
>>> *Tracking Progress:*
>>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, #
>>> of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
>>> absolutely any other measures you like
>>>
>>> *Play:*
>>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
>>> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>>
>>> ========================================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>>
>>> - For this game, "OST" means something like this:
>>> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>>> - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
>>> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>>> - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
>>> stays together, under the same subject
>>>
>>>
>>> Steps to Play:
>>>
>>> - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>>> - Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to
>>> say
>>>
>>>
>>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>>
>>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>>
>>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the
>>> Agile Manager.
>>>
>>> Explore Agile Team Training
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>>>
>>> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>
>>> Community.
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 12:37:22 -0500
> From: via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>, World wide Open Space
> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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> Hi Michael,
> I enjoyed reading your responses/reflections.
> You made me think more
> About the subtleties of working w/others, training, facilitating, & being
> humanly present.
> The 7 or more inquiry helped me to process a good number of OS that I have
> fostered.
> I am grateful to be conscious now of what had been unconscious.
> In the stream of things, will this matter or change anything?
> Probably not.
> Currently, I have Cancer, receive chemo, & appreciate all recall.
> Peace & diversity of opinions,
> Scott
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Michael Herman via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> i woke up this morning thinking about this game, thinking in a direction
> similar to paul levy.
>>
>> i am the nominal leader of a community garden now for four years. my
> management is deeply informed by my learning in and about open space. does
> it count as 1 or 4?
>>
>> i once had a client who flew me in to facilitate a meeting. we also built
> a weblog and they contacted me a number of times, over several years, with
> minor technical questions. do the meeting and the blog count as one
> together, or two separate?
>>
>> i taught my grandma to say "ah," as she began the active process of dying.
> she then repeated that seed syllable, a one-syllable mantra for peace, on
> every breath of her last week of life. she never opened her eyes but over
> that week completely relaxed her whole body. was that open space? what
> about up all night rocking a tiny, sick, neice?
>>
>> i saw some new neighbors moving in the other day. our neighborhood has a
> lot of old houses and everybody moves in and starts updating everything. i
> offered my tools and experience. if they never take me up on that
> offer/invitation, does it count? what if they just look for me at my desk
> in our front window, and wave when they see me, while out walking their dog?
> that could happen a lot. must count as only once? or maybe it doesn't
> count at all?
>>
>> what about three opening briefings, on three consecutive days of open
> space trainings i've done? and what about all the things that happen after
> an event, does the original opener get partial credit for things his/her
> participants open later on?
>>
>> to paul's point, i can ask questions like this about almost every
> situation where i facilitated a meeting in an open space way, and about many
> other situations where i was not "facilitating" anything, apparently. this
> is one of the ways i understand that we live in open space.
>>
>> my approach to training folks in and about open space is significantly
> focused on the crafting of invitations, in the belief that if we make enough
> invitations, over time, people, groups and good work are going to show up.
>>
>> i also focus on discovering all the different ways that whomever i'm
> "training" has already been opening space in their own lives. i don't think
> anyone could come to this work without having already done it before. it
> would be completely un-understandable to them without prior experience. i
> think people ask for training so they can do what they already know/do
> better. so i try to build on and from whatever understanding they bring.
>>
>> so this question of seven or more is not so easy for me. not sure it's
> even helpful. i'm more interested in questions like:
>>
>> 1. when did you first hear about os or ost?
>> 2. what was the hook? how did you notice it might have value?
>> 3. when did you notice that you'd started letting it inform how you live?
>> 4. what has happened since then? what difference does it seem to make?
>>
>> and so on. a new game? the next round? maybe. or maybe it's just the
> game Murli called OSLIST back in 1996?
>>
>> michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Herman
>> Michael Herman Associates
>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>>
>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>> I have also stopped counting :-)
>>> But love doing it whenever it?s possible.
>>> :o)
>>> Eva
>>> Sweden
>>>
>>> B?sta h?lsningar
>>>
>>> Eva P Svensson
>>>
>>> EPS Human Invest AB
>>> Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc
>>> Medlem i Beyond Performance Group
>>>
>>> "Verksamhetsutveckling genom m?nniskor skapar l?ngsiktigt v?lm?ende
> f?retag och organisationer"
>>>
>>> An?sbergsv?gen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
>>> Bes?ksadress; Norra All?gatan 8, G?teborg
>>> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
>>> www.epshumaninvest.se
>>> Skype: eva.p.svensson
>>> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
>>> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>>>
>>> "Jag kan inte l?ra dig n?got. Allt jag kan g?ra ?r att st?lla fr?gor till
> dig, och l?ta dig sj?lv finna svaren." Sokrates
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 13 dec 2014 kl. 18:05 skrev Gray via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>>>
>>>> Um...I've facilitated, at this point, a little over 60. Smallest was 8
> people on Maui. Largest was about 375, in Chicago. Been doing it since 2007.
>>>>
>>>> And I say "um..." Because I am still learning, still figuring it out,
> and still hear Lisa Heft in my head saying "be more invisible, Gray..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> Sent from Mailbox
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
> being reported!
>>>>>
>>>>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
> explore....
>>>>>
>>>>> So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it
> the OST-7 Game:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ========================================
>>>>> The OST-7 Game
>>>>> ========================================
>>>>>
>>>>> The Goal:
>>>>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated
> 7 or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth
> of practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Rules:
>>>>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
> color, etc
>>>>>
>>>>> Tracking Progress:
>>>>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, #
> of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
> absolutely any other measures you like
>>>>>
>>>>> Play:
>>>>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and
> prefer to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>>>>
>>>>> ========================================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Notes:
>>>>>
>>>>> For this game, "OST" means something like this:
> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>>>>> This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've Facilitated
> at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>>>>> Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
> stays together, under the same subject
>>>>>
>>>>> Steps to Play:
>>>>> Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>>>>> Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to say
>>>>>
>>>>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>>>>
>>>>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>>>>
>>>>> Bio. Blog. Twitter.
>>>>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager.
>>>>> Explore Agile Team Training and Coaching.
>>>>>
>>>>> Explore the Agile Boston Community.
>>>>>
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> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:50:43 -0000
> From: Francois Knuchel via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'"
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?
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> Hi Dan
>
>
>
> BUTTERFLY! (and usually with a delay of a week or two).
>
>
>
> I don?t consider myself a lurker ? I don?t hide behind somewhere, ready to
> pounce, I have no evil intentions. But maybe that?s a cultural thing. :)
>
>
>
> I think butterfly is a more elegant expression, even in the online world.
>
>
>
> Francois
>
> London
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of
> Daniel Mezick via OSList
> Sent: 10 December 2014 23:25
> To: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
> Subject: [OSList] Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?
>
>
>
> Some of us were on a call on Tuesday, talking about Open Space....and
> OSLIST....
>
> ...the participants at the time were....
>
> Chuni Li
> Daniel Mezick
> Karen Davis
> Linda Stevenson
> Lucas Cioffi
> Paul Levy
> Peggy Holman
> Skye Hirst
> Suzanne Daigle
> Tricia Chirumbole
> Harold Shinsato
>
> We discussed OSLIST culture, and how the culture of OSLIST may not actually
> be very easy to figure out...
>
> ...we talked about how this list has hundreds upon hundreds of members, with
> just 25 to 45 people (give or take) who post or reply with anything close to
> a regular frequency, and how some speak with highly authoritative voices.
>
> ...we talked a bit about how the culture of OSLIST might actually be kind of
> intimidating for new people to participate in.
>
>
> The Game
>
> We have no idea how many "regular lurkers" are in the group...we talked
> about trying to find out.
>
>
> So: if you are a "regular lurker", someone who examines these OSLIST threads
> periodically but does not actively participate ... are you willing to play
> a little game?
>
>
> The Lurker Game: you are invited to play...
>
> 1. ...The goal is to collectively get some idea of how many of us on the
> list are "regular lurkers".
>
> 2. ...The rules are:
>
> * If you consider yourself a "regular lurker", consider opting in to
> the game, by replying...
> * If you reply, absolutely nothing further will be asked of you. All
> you are doing is identifying yourself as someone who lurks. That's it.
>
> 3. ...We'll all track the progress by watching the thread, and seeing how
> many reply over time.
>
> 4. ...Participation is opt-in.
>
>
>
> To participate, just hit [Reply List] and enter "hey" and press [Enter]
> ...or...
>
> ... (optionally) just say whatever you might want to say, instead
>
> We have no idea what might happen next; let's see what develops.
>
> Thanks!
> Daniel
>
> --
>
>
>
> Daniel Mezick, President
>
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>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:55:41 -0500
> From: Annamarie Pluhar via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: "Michael Herman" <michael at michaelherman.com>, "World wide Open
> Space Technology email list" <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: [OSList] Community Gardens
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> Hi! (I started to write just to Michael - but realized that others
> might find the question and answer of interest.)
>
> How does the nominal leader run the community garden in OS? Most
> particularly how does the work that needs to be done to manage the
> garden as a whole get done?
>
> I ask as secretary of a Governing Committee that came into existence
> when the original founders alienated too many people (by being arrogant
> and punitive and authoritarian) and it was decided we needed to have
> some structure and governance.
>
> 'Nuff said, interested in the answer!
>
> Peace,
> Annamarie
>
> Annamarie Pluhar
>
> Pluhar Consulting
> http://www.pluharconsulting.com
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> 802.579.5975 (cell)
>
> On 14 Dec 2014, at 11:26, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
>
>> i woke up this morning thinking about this game, thinking in a
>> direction
>> similar to paul levy.
>>
>> i am the nominal leader of a community garden now for four years. my
>> management is deeply informed by my learning in and about open space.
>> does
>> it count as 1 or 4?
>>
>> i once had a client who flew me in to facilitate a meeting. we also
>> built
>> a weblog and they contacted me a number of times, over several years,
>> with
>> minor technical questions. do the meeting and the blog count as one
>> together, or two separate?
>>
>> i taught my grandma to say "ah," as she began the active process of
>> dying.
>> she then repeated that seed syllable, a one-syllable mantra for peace,
>> on
>> every breath of her last week of life. she never opened her eyes but
>> over
>> that week completely relaxed her whole body. was that open space?
>> what
>> about up all night rocking a tiny, sick, neice?
>>
>> i saw some new neighbors moving in the other day. our neighborhood
>> has a
>> lot of old houses and everybody moves in and starts updating
>> everything. i
>> offered my tools and experience. if they never take me up on that
>> offer/invitation, does it count? what if they just look for me at my
>> desk
>> in our front window, and wave when they see me, while out walking
>> their
>> dog? that could happen a lot. must count as only once? or maybe it
>> doesn't count at all?
>>
>> what about three opening briefings, on three consecutive days of open
>> space
>> trainings i've done? and what about all the things that happen after
>> an
>> event, does the original opener get partial credit for things his/her
>> participants open later on?
>>
>> to paul's point, i can ask questions like this about almost every
>> situation
>> where i facilitated a meeting in an open space way, and about many
>> other
>> situations where i was not "facilitating" anything, apparently. this
>> is
>> one of the ways i understand that we live in open space.
>>
>> my approach to training folks in and about open space is significantly
>> focused on the crafting of invitations, in the belief that if we make
>> enough invitations, over time, people, groups and good work are going
>> to
>> show up.
>>
>> i also focus on discovering all the different ways that whomever i'm
>> "training" has already been opening space in their own lives. i don't
>> think anyone could come to this work without having already done it
>> before.
>> it would be completely un-understandable to them without prior
>> experience.
>> i think people ask for training so they can do what they already
>> know/do
>> better. so i try to build on and from whatever understanding they
>> bring.
>>
>> so this question of seven or more is not so easy for me. not sure
>> it's
>> even helpful. i'm more interested in questions like:
>>
>> 1. when did you first hear about os or ost?
>> 2. what was the hook? how did you notice it might have value?
>> 3. when did you notice that you'd started letting it inform how you
>> live?
>> 4. what has happened since then? what difference does it seem to
>> make?
>>
>> and so on. a new game? the next round? maybe. or maybe it's just
>> the
>> game Murli called OSLIST back in 1996?
>>
>> michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Herman
>> Michael Herman Associates
>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>>
>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have also stopped counting :-)
>>> But love doing it whenever it?s possible.
>>> :o)
>>> Eva
>>> Sweden
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> *"Jag kan inte l?ra dig n?got. Allt jag kan g?ra ?r att st?lla
>>> fr?gor till
>>> dig, och l?ta dig sj?lv finna svaren." Sokrates*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 13 dec 2014 kl. 18:05 skrev Gray via OSList <
>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>>
>>> Um...I've facilitated, at this point, a little over 60. Smallest was
>>> 8
>>> people on Maui. Largest was about 375, in Chicago. Been doing it
>>> since 2007.
>>>
>>> And I say "um..." Because I am still learning, still figuring it out,
>>> and
>>> still hear Lisa Heft in my head saying "be more invisible, Gray..."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>>>
>>>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of
>>>> experience
>>>> being reported!
>>>>
>>>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
>>>> *explore....*
>>>>
>>>> So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call
>>>> it
>>>> the OST-7 Game:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ========================================
>>>> *The OST-7** Game*
>>>> ========================================
>>>>
>>>> *The Goal:*
>>>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually
>>>> Facilitated 7
>>>> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the
>>>> depth of
>>>> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>>>
>>>> *The Rules:*
>>>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying
>>>> with
>>>> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might
>>>> like to
>>>> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your
>>>> hair
>>>> color, etc
>>>>
>>>> *Tracking Progress:*
>>>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of
>>>> countries, #
>>>> of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair,
>>>> or
>>>> absolutely any other measures you like
>>>>
>>>> *Play:*
>>>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and
>>>> prefer
>>>> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>>>
>>>> ========================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Notes:
>>>>
>>>> - For this game, "OST" means something like this:
>>>> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>>>> - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
>>>> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>>>> - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the
>>>> thread
>>>> stays together, under the same subject
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steps to Play:
>>>>
>>>> - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>>>> - Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like
>>>> to
>>>> say
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>>>
>>>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>>>
>>>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>>>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>>>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
>>>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the
>>>> Agile Manager.
>>>>
>>>> Explore Agile Team Training
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>>>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>>>>
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>>>> Community.
>>>>
>>>
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> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 11:59:12 -0800
> From: Peggy Holman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Open Listserv <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] How do we define LURKER?
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> I have played with the term "active readers" rather than lurkers. Has a
> different tone.
>
>
> The compulsive historian in me wants to mention that in November, 2009, a
> message called Roll Call: Present was sent by Erik Fabian (who contributed
> about 15 messages from June to November of that year.) He asked people just
> to respond with a ?present?. While he used the term lurkers, he included in
> a larger framing (below).
>
> By his count, it brought 100+ responses, similar in tone to those responding
> now. Ironically, Erik?s reflections on the roll call (also below) was his
> last message to the list.
>
>
> appreciatively,
> Peggy
>
>
> ROLL CALL: PRESENT
>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 1:13 AM, Erik Fabian <erik at DOUBLEHAPPINESSNYC.COM>
> wrote:
>>
>> I was intrigued by Phelim's observation that the OSLIST, not being a
> physical space, lacks the
>> information that comes from people sitting silent or choosing to leave.
>>
>> I invite the many folks, the lurkers, the newbies, the old hands, the
> folks with better things to do,
>> anyone really...to respond to this message with a "present" if you would
> like to be noted as attending
>> to this virtual space.
>>
>> I know it won't solve the exiting problem but it might perhaps give a
> sense of scale to the ratio of
>> talkers to the silent.
>>
>> Erik - present
>>
>> *
>>
>
>
> REFLECTING ON THE ROLL CALL
>
>> On Nov 29, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Erik Fabian <erik at DOUBLEHAPPINESSNYC.COM>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> 1st thing: I don't mean to stop the Roll Call if folks would still like to
> chime in. Feel welcome.
>>
>> 2nd: I was quite struck by the 100+ voices that have called present so far
> in the Roll Call. Your
>> responses reoriented my sense of scale on this list and created a
> fascinating moment where I
>> didn't know what was going to happen next...I felt like I watching a
> filibuster or something.
>>
>> I was also struck by the sense of willingness to continue to be present in
> this OSLIST conversation
>> despite disagreements, other options, shyness, busy lives, etc. That felt
> like some kind of bedrock
>> to me.
>>
>> The momentum has slowed and the thread has mixed back into the stream of
> multiple
>> conversations on the list. I have also started to hear some reflection
> from Michael (here:
>> http://tinyurl.com/ygupaax) & Harold (here: http://tinyurl.com/ykx3scs)
> and so it seems
>> appropriate to put out a broader invitation to reflect on the Roll Call.
>>
>> I suppose I should say, I viewed the Roll Call responses in the context of
> a couple weeks of debate
>> about OS, where the online OS community should find its home, differing
> values around online
>> communication styles, and thoughts about OS and change.
>>
>> Peggy asked an interesting question recently: How do the Open Space
> principles help us both
>> support and resist change and what does that mean for the evolution of OST
> and opening space?
>> (http://tinyurl.com/yzg8nh9)
>>
>> So I invite anyone, anyone who was present or silently sat aside, who
> would like to reflect on the
>> Roll Call to feel welcome to do so, and to perhaps consider the Roll Call
> in the light of recent
>> debates on this list or Peggy's question about change and the future of
> OS.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Erik
>>
>> *
> *
>
>
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>> On Dec 11, 2014, at 10:23 AM, openspacedk1 via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Given we are a community working with open space,
>>
>> therefore able or learning to be absolutely present
>> and absolutely invisible
>>
>> isn't what we see the only thing that could happen ?
>>
>>
>> Greetings Gerard, Denmark
>>
>>
>>
>> ichael Herman via OSList skrev den 2014-12-11 17:08:
>>> Perhaps a bit of conflict in the definition, as it seems to say that
>>> listening isn't active participation.
>>> My working definition for leadership, in any field, is practice made
>>> visible. Maybe visible is useful in place of active.
>>> Yes, this suggests a distinction between lurkers and leaders, but it
>>> also allows for the definition of leader and our leadership ranks here
>>> to expand.
>>> I have been very visible here in the past but less so in recent years.
>>> Reading most everything, but not so visible.
>>> I think every single posting leads some us somewhere, even if those
>>> places aren't so obvious.
>>> Enjoying seeing so many familiar names mixed in with new ones.
>>> Michael
>>> On Thursday, December 11, 2014, Daniel Mezick via OSList
>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>> In the game, as described, the definition of [lurker] is clear:
>>>> "...someone who examines these OSLIST threads periodically but does
>>>> not actively participate."
>>>> The definition is purposefully loose, so anyone can self-identify
>>>> with it, and optionally play the game.
>>>> Daniel
>>>> On 12/11/14 9:32 AM, Carmela Ariza via OSList wrote:
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> It is very interesting - that asking who are lurkers - encouraged
>>>>> the lurkers to come out and write a few sentences...
>>>>> I am curious - how do we really define LURKERS?
>>>>> Would love to listen to your thoughts on this....
>>>>> Carms
>>>>> True happiness is a state of mind.
>>>>> Happiness is not a consequence of things that happen.
>>>>> Do not pursue happiness - practice it.
>>>>> Sing, even if you do not sound good.
>>>>> Smile, even when things go wrong.
>>>>> Create happiness, and happy you will be.
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>>>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>>> Bio [2]. Blog [3]. Twitter [4].
>>>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game [5]: Tools for the Agile
>>>> Manager.
>>>> Explore Agile Team Training [6] and Coaching. [7]
>>>> Explore the Agile Boston [8]Community.
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Michael Herman
>>> Michael Herman Associates
>>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>>> http://MichaelHerman.com [9]
>>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org [10]
>>> Links:
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> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:04:52 -0600
> From: Michael Herman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Annamarie Pluhar <annamarie at pluharconsulting.com>, OSLIST
> <OSList at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Community Gardens
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> hi annamarie,
>
> in our space, we have 18 plots in one large raised bed. plots are assigned
> on first-come basis.
>
> the previous garden leader and the guy who cut the grass in the park took 6
> of the 18 plots for themselves, what seemed like the sunniest and best
> plots. the first thing i did was take no plot. one other garden leader
> takes one plot. everybody's equal, nobody gets more than one plot.
>
> the next thing i did was set up an email group. when people ask for a
> plot, i ask them to join the list. if they don't join, they never get the
> information needed to sign up. so i ask them to take some responsibility
> for their interest right away. it's not about a transaction that they pay
> their little fee for their little plot. they have to actually show up in
> the list.
>
> then all the info goes out on the list. everything is done as
> transparently as possible. assignments are done on a tenure basis, first
> pick to returning gardeners, then in order of joining the list.
>
> i invite/suggest tilling the whole bet together in the spring. my wife and
> i live without a car, so i ask for somebody to pickup the rental tiller,
> and volunteers come out throughout the day to take turns using it. some
> don't show, and a few guys have a lot of fun giving the whole thing second
> and third coats with the powertool. some people have perennials to be
> saved, and they are responsible for getting those marked for the tillers.
>
> through the summer, the list allows folks to ask others to water their
> stuff while they go away. ask questions about various issues, who's
> stealing tomatoes, what to do about the homeless guy sleeping in the park,
> is he the guy stealing tomatoes? what about tree trimming? or what about
> the big tree that shattered in the storm, the expert says it should come
> down, but can it be saved? always my thing is putting out as much info as
> i have and asking what anyone thinks, and what anyone can do to contribute.
> and yes, the shattered tree has been saved for a few years now because a
> couple of people on the list jumped to do what was needed to make that
> happen.
>
> we've had conflict of sorts, at least differences of opinion/agenda over
> spreading weed poison in the park where the plots are. so that required a
> fair amount of space holding on the list and in relations with my
> neighbors. the neighbors were mostly willing to chip in and buy the poison
> service. the gardeners we're willing to chip in and help dig up the
> dandelions, also to do research on alternative sprays. one gardener's
> father was an ag scientiest for one of the chemical companies. so we ended
> up having a lot of good information, found an organic alternative, had to
> have only one nasty treatment, and the gardeners worked to dig weeds within
> the area closest to the garden bed.
>
> mostly i ask a lot more questions and feed a lot more info into the list,
> our "wall" and don't hardly ever tell anyone what they need to do. got a
> little dicey in the weeds process, when a good friend and neighbor who
> lives right next to the park, and led the weed poison charge, wanted and
> expected me to do just that -- tell everybody how it was going to be. in
> the end, my mailbox ends up being where organic weed treatment donations
> are dropped off by neighbors and gardeners. of course, i am also the
> keeper of the neighborhood contact info directory page and the neighbors
> email list. in the garden there are a set of rules posted, as guides, but
> enforcement is left to the group.
>
> i guess i should also say that this land is held by a non-profit in chicago
> that holds or leases claim to 70 or 80 green spaces. they handle
> insurance, water bills, and other admin issues and contract with a
> community group (the neighborhood association, in our case) and at least
> three local garden leaders. the way i came into this is that i saw the
> previous leadership running a very exclusive, controlling process and
> happened to meet the director of the non-profit, who mentioned that he'd
> not heard from our garden leaders for years. i helped him reconnect, but
> also helped him re-write their contract with community group and leaders,
> adding a larger section for "stakeholder" signatures. expanding the
> circle, if you will. so i went around and had this new contract signed by
> lots of neighbors and had a chance to talk to a lot of folks about what
> they thought of the park and the garden and the neighborhood. then the old
> leader got bothered that he'd not be in sole control, and walked out. the
> neighborhood association took a while to figure out that i wasn't the
> devil, but over time that's been borne out by the work i've done to engage
> everyone in an open, expanding, resilient, emerging sort of process.
>
> for my next trick, i try to get out and go take a nap for a year, or at
> least get out of some of the stuff like collecting fees, assigning plots,
> inviting the tiller day to happen. we'll see!
>
> does that answer the question?
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Annamarie Pluhar <
> annamarie at pluharconsulting.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi! (I started to write just to Michael - but realized that others might
>> find the question and answer of interest.)
>>
>> How does the nominal leader run the community garden in OS? Most
>> particularly how does the work that needs to be done to manage the garden
>> as a whole get done?
>>
>> I ask as secretary of a Governing Committee that came into existence when
>> the original founders alienated too many people (by being arrogant and
>> punitive and authoritarian) and it was decided we needed to have some
>> structure and governance.
>>
>> 'Nuff said, interested in the answer!
>>
>> Peace,
>> Annamarie
>>
>> Annamarie Pluhar
>>
>> Pluhar Consulting
>> http://www.pluharconsulting.com
>> 802.451.1941
>> 802.579.5975 (cell)
>>
>> On 14 Dec 2014, at 11:26, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
>>
>> i woke up this morning thinking about this game, thinking in a direction
>> similar to paul levy.
>>
>> i am the nominal leader of a community garden now for four years. my
>> management is deeply informed by my learning in and about open space. does
>> it count as 1 or 4?
>>
>> i once had a client who flew me in to facilitate a meeting. we also built
>> a weblog and they contacted me a number of times, over several years, with
>> minor technical questions. do the meeting and the blog count as one
>> together, or two separate?
>>
>> i taught my grandma to say "ah," as she began the active process of dying.
>> she then repeated that seed syllable, a one-syllable mantra for peace, on
>> every breath of her last week of life. she never opened her eyes but over
>> that week completely relaxed her whole body. was that open space? what
>> about up all night rocking a tiny, sick, neice?
>>
>> i saw some new neighbors moving in the other day. our neighborhood has a
>> lot of old houses and everybody moves in and starts updating everything. i
>> offered my tools and experience. if they never take me up on that
>> offer/invitation, does it count? what if they just look for me at my desk
>> in our front window, and wave when they see me, while out walking their
>> dog? that could happen a lot. must count as only once? or maybe it
>> doesn't count at all?
>>
>> what about three opening briefings, on three consecutive days of open
> space
>> trainings i've done? and what about all the things that happen after an
>> event, does the original opener get partial credit for things his/her
>> participants open later on?
>>
>> to paul's point, i can ask questions like this about almost every
> situation
>> where i facilitated a meeting in an open space way, and about many other
>> situations where i was not "facilitating" anything, apparently. this is
>> one of the ways i understand that we live in open space.
>>
>> my approach to training folks in and about open space is significantly
>> focused on the crafting of invitations, in the belief that if we make
>> enough invitations, over time, people, groups and good work are going to
>> show up.
>>
>> i also focus on discovering all the different ways that whomever i'm
>> "training" has already been opening space in their own lives. i don't
>> think anyone could come to this work without having already done it
> before.
>> it would be completely un-understandable to them without prior experience.
>> i think people ask for training so they can do what they already know/do
>> better. so i try to build on and from whatever understanding they bring.
>>
>> so this question of seven or more is not so easy for me. not sure it's
>> even helpful. i'm more interested in questions like:
>>
>> 1. when did you first hear about os or ost?
>> 2. what was the hook? how did you notice it might have value?
>> 3. when did you notice that you'd started letting it inform how you
>> live?
>> 4. what has happened since then? what difference does it seem to make?
>>
>> and so on. a new game? the next round? maybe. or maybe it's just the
>> game Murli called OSLIST back in 1996?
>>
>> michael
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Herman
>> Michael Herman Associates
>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>>
>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> I have also stopped counting :-)
>> But love doing it whenever it?s possible.
>> :o)
>> Eva
>> Sweden
>>
>> B?sta h?lsningar
>>
>> Eva P Svensson
>>
>> *EPS Human Invest AB*
>> *Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc*
>> *Medlem i Beyond Performance Group*
>>
>>
>> *"Verksamhetsutveckling genom m?nniskor skapar l?ngsiktigt v?lm?ende
>> f?retag och organisationer"*
>>
>> An?sbergsv?gen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
>> Bes?ksadress; Norra All?gatan 8, G?teborg
>> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
>> www.epshumaninvest.se
>> Skype: eva.p.svensson
>> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
>> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>>
>>
>> *"Jag kan inte l?ra dig n?got. Allt jag kan g?ra ?r att st?lla fr?gor till
>> dig, och l?ta dig sj?lv finna svaren." Sokrates*
>>
>> 13 dec 2014 kl. 18:05 skrev Gray via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>
>> Um...I've facilitated, at this point, a little over 60. Smallest was 8
>> people on Maui. Largest was about 375, in Chicago. Been doing it since
>> 2007.
>>
>> And I say "um..." Because I am still learning, still figuring it out, and
>> still hear Lisa Heft in my head saying "be more invisible, Gray..."
>>
>> ?
>> Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>
>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
>> being reported!
>>
>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
>> *explore....*
>>
>> So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call it
>> the OST-7 Game:
>>
>> ========================================
>> *The OST-7** Game*
>>
>> *The Goal:*
>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
>> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth
> of
>> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>
>> *The Rules:*
>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
>> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
>> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
>> color, etc
>>
>> *Tracking Progress:*
>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, #
>> of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
>> absolutely any other measures you like
>>
>> *Play:*
>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
>> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>
>> ========================================
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> - For this game, "OST" means something like this:
>> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>> - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
>> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>> - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
>> stays together, under the same subject
>>
>> Steps to Play:
>>
>> - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>> - Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to
>> say
>>
>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> --
>>
>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>
>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>
>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>> Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog
>> http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter
>> http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/.
>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
>> http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the
>> Agile Manager.
>>
>> Explore Agile Team Training
>> http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching.
>> http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/
>>
>> Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/
>> Community.
>>
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> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:11:48 -0500
> From: Suzanne Daigle via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Scott Gassman <scott.gassman at gmail.com>, World wide Open Space
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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> More than 30 from 2 people to 350. So much more to learn and live, the Open
> Space of life.
>
> Enjoying the game. This too is new learning for me. Thank you Daniel.
> Suzanne
> On Dec 14, 2014 12:38 PM, "via OSList" <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael,
>> I enjoyed reading your responses/reflections.
>> You made me think more
>> About the subtleties of working w/others, training, facilitating, & being
>> humanly present.
>> The 7 or more inquiry helped me to process a good number of OS that I have
>> fostered.
>> I am grateful to be conscious now of what had been unconscious.
>> In the stream of things, will this matter or change anything?
>> Probably not.
>> Currently, I have Cancer, receive chemo, & appreciate all recall.
>> Peace & diversity of opinions,
>> Scott
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Michael Herman via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> i woke up this morning thinking about this game, thinking in a direction
>> similar to paul levy.
>>
>> i am the nominal leader of a community garden now for four years. my
>> management is deeply informed by my learning in and about open space.
> does
>> it count as 1 or 4?
>>
>> i once had a client who flew me in to facilitate a meeting. we also built
>> a weblog and they contacted me a number of times, over several years, with
>> minor technical questions. do the meeting and the blog count as one
>> together, or two separate?
>>
>> i taught my grandma to say "ah," as she began the active process of dying.
>> she then repeated that seed syllable, a one-syllable mantra for peace, on
>> every breath of her last week of life. she never opened her eyes but over
>> that week completely relaxed her whole body. was that open space? what
>> about up all night rocking a tiny, sick, neice?
>>
>> i saw some new neighbors moving in the other day. our neighborhood has a
>> lot of old houses and everybody moves in and starts updating everything.
> i
>> offered my tools and experience. if they never take me up on that
>> offer/invitation, does it count? what if they just look for me at my desk
>> in our front window, and wave when they see me, while out walking their
>> dog? that could happen a lot. must count as only once? or maybe it
>> doesn't count at all?
>>
>> what about three opening briefings, on three consecutive days of open
>> space trainings i've done? and what about all the things that happen
> after
>> an event, does the original opener get partial credit for things his/her
>> participants open later on?
>>
>> to paul's point, i can ask questions like this about almost every
>> situation where i facilitated a meeting in an open space way, and about
>> many other situations where i was not "facilitating" anything, apparently.
>> this is one of the ways i understand that we live in open space.
>>
>> my approach to training folks in and about open space is significantly
>> focused on the crafting of invitations, in the belief that if we make
>> enough invitations, over time, people, groups and good work are going to
>> show up.
>>
>> i also focus on discovering all the different ways that whomever i'm
>> "training" has already been opening space in their own lives. i don't
>> think anyone could come to this work without having already done it
> before.
>> it would be completely un-understandable to them without prior
> experience.
>> i think people ask for training so they can do what they already know/do
>> better. so i try to build on and from whatever understanding they bring.
>>
>> so this question of seven or more is not so easy for me. not sure it's
>> even helpful. i'm more interested in questions like:
>>
>> 1. when did you first hear about os or ost?
>> 2. what was the hook? how did you notice it might have value?
>> 3. when did you notice that you'd started letting it inform how you live?
>> 4. what has happened since then? what difference does it seem to make?
>>
>> and so on. a new game? the next round? maybe. or maybe it's just the
>> game Murli called OSLIST back in 1996?
>>
>> michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Herman
>> Michael Herman Associates
>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>>
>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have also stopped counting :-)
>>> But love doing it whenever it?s possible.
>>> :o)
>>> Eva
>>> Sweden
>>>
>>> B?sta h?lsningar
>>>
>>>
>>> Eva P Svensson
>>>
>>>
>>> *EPS Human Invest AB*
>>> *Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc*
>>> *Medlem i Beyond Performance Group*
>>>
>>>
>>> *"Verksamhetsutveckling genom m?nniskor skapar l?ngsiktigt v?lm?ende
>>> f?retag och organisationer"*
>>>
>>>
>>> An?sbergsv?gen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
>>> Bes?ksadress; Norra All?gatan 8, G?teborg
>>> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
>>> www.epshumaninvest.se
>>> Skype: eva.p.svensson
>>> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
>>> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>>>
>>> *"Jag kan inte l?ra dig n?got. Allt jag kan g?ra ?r att st?lla fr?gor
>>> till dig, och l?ta dig sj?lv finna svaren." Sokrates*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 13 dec 2014 kl. 18:05 skrev Gray via OSList <
>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>>
>>> Um...I've facilitated, at this point, a little over 60. Smallest was 8
>>> people on Maui. Largest was about 375, in Chicago. Been doing it since
> 2007.
>>>
>>> And I say "um..." Because I am still learning, still figuring it out, and
>>> still hear Lisa Heft in my head saying "be more invisible, Gray..."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>>>
>>>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
>>>> being reported!
>>>>
>>>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
>>>> *explore....*
>>>>
>>>> So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call it
>>>> the OST-7 Game:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ========================================
>>>> *The OST-7** Game*
>>>> ========================================
>>>>
>>>> *The Goal:*
>>>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated
>>>> 7 or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the
> depth
>>>> of practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>>>
>>>> *The Rules:*
>>>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
>>>> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
>>>> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your
> hair
>>>> color, etc
>>>>
>>>> *Tracking Progress:*
>>>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, #
>>>> of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
>>>> absolutely any other measures you like
>>>>
>>>> *Play:*
>>>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and
>>>> prefer to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>>>
>>>> ========================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Notes:
>>>>
>>>> - For this game, "OST" means something like this:
>>>> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>>>> - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
>>>> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>>>> - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the
>>>> thread stays together, under the same subject
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steps to Play:
>>>>
>>>> - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>>>> - Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like
>>>> to say
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>>>
>>>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>>>
>>>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>>>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>>>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
>>>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the
>>>> Agile Manager.
>>>>
>>>> Explore Agile Team Training
>>>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
>>>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>>>>
>>>> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>
>>>> Community.
>>>>
>>>
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> From: Peggy Holman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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> Michael,
>
> Thanks for the reframing. It reminds me of a question that informed the
> stewards of Spirited Work, an Open Space learning community that met in OS 4
> times a year for 7 years: What does it mean to live one?s life in Open
> Space? Living in that question has been and continues to be a journey!
>
> I?ve never counted the number of times I?ve walked the circle, formally
> opening space. My first experience with OST was in 1994 and since then, I?ve
> worked with groups as small as 5 and as large as 2,100 from all different
> sectors ? business, government, nonprofit, community and on 5 continents. I
> know there?s no way I would have had to courage to run an OS with 1,800
> street kids and 300 teachers in Bogota, Colombia in a language I don?t speak
> if it hadn?t been for the deep learning that came from years of being on
> this list!!
>
> Daniel?s question had me reflecting on the path I?ve traveled as part of
> this community. Your gift of openspaceworld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/>
> gave us an early presence on the web. That was and is huge. Some of my
> activities, done, as you noted, because I felt inspired to do them:
>
> 1995 Produced U S WEST Open Space Video. At Harrison?s suggestion, produced
> a video about a 250-ish person OS at U S WEST Communications in Arizona.
> It?s now on Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/25251316 <http://vimeo.com/25251316>.
> When we made it, 16 minutes was considered short!
>
> 1996 Co-founded Open Space Institute-US. I was one of seven at a gathering
> with Harrison in Seattle. It was part of a larger vision of OSIs around the
> world. Brian Bainbridge took the lead in Australia and Larry Peterson,
> Birgitt Williams, and Diane Gibeault (I think) did the same in Canada.
>
> 1996 Involved with starting the OS listserv. Part of the original dozen or
> so folks who joined this list that Murli Nagasandurum set up for us, a
> spontaneous act of generosity prompted by a message we sent out to everyone
> on Harrison?s emailing list when we were getting OSI-US going.
>
> 1998 Co-hosted the 6th annual OSonOS in Monterrey, California. Right after
> the first not done by Harrison held in Toronto hosted by Birgitt Williams
> and Larry Peterson and right before Chicago, hosted by Michael Hermann,
> which was the last before it left North America for Berlin, hosted by
> Michael M Pannwitz.
>
> 1999 Produced Understanding Open Space. I put a mike on Harrison during an
> OST workshop we co-hosted in Seattle and produced a 5-CD audio set called
> Understanding Open Space. Harold Shinsato has turned it into a series of
> podcasts. He?ll have to provide the details on how to access it. Those who
> have heard it say it?s a treat! (My personal favorite line is the very last
> thing he says on the last track. How?s that for a teaser?)
>
>
> I look at those dates and wonder where did the time go? It all was so long
> ago! Yet people who are nearest and dearest to me are people I have met
> through the years in this community. As quiet as I?ve been in the last few
> years, I still consider this community a home base.
>
> I?m better because of OSlist. And because of the people I?ve come to love
> along the way.
>
> Peggy
>
>
>
>
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>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Michael Herman via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> i woke up this morning thinking about this game, thinking in a direction
> similar to paul levy.
>>
>> i am the nominal leader of a community garden now for four years. my
> management is deeply informed by my learning in and about open space. does
> it count as 1 or 4?
>>
>> i once had a client who flew me in to facilitate a meeting. we also built
> a weblog and they contacted me a number of times, over several years, with
> minor technical questions. do the meeting and the blog count as one
> together, or two separate?
>>
>> i taught my grandma to say "ah," as she began the active process of dying.
> she then repeated that seed syllable, a one-syllable mantra for peace, on
> every breath of her last week of life. she never opened her eyes but over
> that week completely relaxed her whole body. was that open space? what
> about up all night rocking a tiny, sick, neice?
>>
>> i saw some new neighbors moving in the other day. our neighborhood has a
> lot of old houses and everybody moves in and starts updating everything. i
> offered my tools and experience. if they never take me up on that
> offer/invitation, does it count? what if they just look for me at my desk
> in our front window, and wave when they see me, while out walking their dog?
> that could happen a lot. must count as only once? or maybe it doesn't
> count at all?
>>
>> what about three opening briefings, on three consecutive days of open
> space trainings i've done? and what about all the things that happen after
> an event, does the original opener get partial credit for things his/her
> participants open later on?
>>
>> to paul's point, i can ask questions like this about almost every
> situation where i facilitated a meeting in an open space way, and about many
> other situations where i was not "facilitating" anything, apparently. this
> is one of the ways i understand that we live in open space.
>>
>> my approach to training folks in and about open space is significantly
> focused on the crafting of invitations, in the belief that if we make enough
> invitations, over time, people, groups and good work are going to show up.
>>
>> i also focus on discovering all the different ways that whomever i'm
> "training" has already been opening space in their own lives. i don't think
> anyone could come to this work without having already done it before. it
> would be completely un-understandable to them without prior experience. i
> think people ask for training so they can do what they already know/do
> better. so i try to build on and from whatever understanding they bring.
>>
>> so this question of seven or more is not so easy for me. not sure it's
> even helpful. i'm more interested in questions like:
>>
>> 1. when did you first hear about os or ost?
>> 2. what was the hook? how did you notice it might have value?
>> 3. when did you notice that you'd started letting it inform how you live?
>> 4. what has happened since then? what difference does it seem to make?
>>
>> and so on. a new game? the next round? maybe. or maybe it's just the
> game Murli called OSLIST back in 1996?
>>
>> michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
> wrote:
>> I have also stopped counting :-)
>> But love doing it whenever it?s possible.
>> :o)
>> Eva
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>>> 13 dec 2014 kl. 18:05 skrev Gray via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>:
>>>
>>> Um...I've facilitated, at this point, a little over 60. Smallest was 8
> people on Maui. Largest was about 375, in Chicago. Been doing it since 2007.
>>>
>>> And I say "um..." Because I am still learning, still figuring it out, and
> still hear Lisa Heft in my head saying "be more invisible, Gray..."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>>
>>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
> being reported!
>>>
>>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
> explore....
>>>
>>> So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it the
> OST-7 Game:
>>>
>>>
>>> ========================================
>>> The OST-7 Game
>>> ========================================
>>>
>>> The Goal:
>>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of
> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>>
>>> The Rules:
>>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
> color, etc
>>>
>>> Tracking Progress:
>>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, #
> of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
> absolutely any other measures you like
>>>
>>> Play:
>>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>>
>>> ========================================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>>
>>> For this game, "OST" means something like this:
> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
> <http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm>
>>> This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've Facilitated at
> least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>>> Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread stays
> together, under the same subject
>>>
>>> Steps to Play:
>>> Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>>> Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to say
>>>
>>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
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> I feel like an ?active reader? and like a lurker alternately.
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> Am 14.12.2014 um 20:59 schrieb Peggy Holman via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
>> I have played with the term "active readers" rather than lurkers. Has a
> different tone.
>>
>>
>> The compulsive historian in me wants to mention that in November, 2009, a
> message called Roll Call: Present was sent by Erik Fabian (who contributed
> about 15 messages from June to November of that year.) He asked people just
> to respond with a ?present?. While he used the term lurkers, he included in
> a larger framing (below).
>>
>> By his count, it brought 100+ responses, similar in tone to those
> responding now. Ironically, Erik?s reflections on the roll call (also below)
> was his last message to the list.
>>
>>
>> appreciatively,
>> Peggy
>>
>>
>> ROLL CALL: PRESENT
>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 1:13 AM, Erik Fabian <erik at DOUBLEHAPPINESSNYC.COM>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was intrigued by Phelim's observation that the OSLIST, not being a
> physical space, lacks the
>>> information that comes from people sitting silent or choosing to leave.
>>>
>>> I invite the many folks, the lurkers, the newbies, the old hands, the
> folks with better things to do,
>>> anyone really...to respond to this message with a "present" if you would
> like to be noted as attending
>>> to this virtual space.
>>>
>>> I know it won't solve the exiting problem but it might perhaps give a
> sense of scale to the ratio of
>>> talkers to the silent.
>>>
>>> Erik - present
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>
>>
>> REFLECTING ON THE ROLL CALL
>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Erik Fabian <erik at DOUBLEHAPPINESSNYC.COM>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> 1st thing: I don't mean to stop the Roll Call if folks would still like
> to chime in. Feel welcome.
>>>
>>> 2nd: I was quite struck by the 100+ voices that have called present so
> far in the Roll Call. Your
>>> responses reoriented my sense of scale on this list and created a
> fascinating moment where I
>>> didn't know what was going to happen next...I felt like I watching a
> filibuster or something.
>>>
>>> I was also struck by the sense of willingness to continue to be present
> in this OSLIST conversation
>>> despite disagreements, other options, shyness, busy lives, etc. That felt
> like some kind of bedrock
>>> to me.
>>>
>>> The momentum has slowed and the thread has mixed back into the stream of
> multiple
>>> conversations on the list. I have also started to hear some reflection
> from Michael (here:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/ygupaax) & Harold (here: http://tinyurl.com/ykx3scs)
> and so it seems
>>> appropriate to put out a broader invitation to reflect on the Roll Call.
>>>
>>> I suppose I should say, I viewed the Roll Call responses in the context
> of a couple weeks of debate
>>> about OS, where the online OS community should find its home, differing
> values around online
>>> communication styles, and thoughts about OS and change.
>>>
>>> Peggy asked an interesting question recently: How do the Open Space
> principles help us both
>>> support and resist change and what does that mean for the evolution of
> OST and opening space?
>>> (http://tinyurl.com/yzg8nh9)
>>>
>>> So I invite anyone, anyone who was present or silently sat aside, who
> would like to reflect on the
>>> Roll Call to feel welcome to do so, and to perhaps consider the Roll Call
> in the light of recent
>>> debates on this list or Peggy's question about change and the future of
> OS.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Erik
>>>
>>> *
>> *
>>
>>
>>
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>>> On Dec 11, 2014, at 10:23 AM, openspacedk1 via OSList
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Given we are a community working with open space,
>>>
>>> therefore able or learning to be absolutely present
>>> and absolutely invisible
>>>
>>> isn't what we see the only thing that could happen ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings Gerard, Denmark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ichael Herman via OSList skrev den 2014-12-11 17:08:
>>>> Perhaps a bit of conflict in the definition, as it seems to say that
>>>> listening isn't active participation.
>>>> My working definition for leadership, in any field, is practice made
>>>> visible. Maybe visible is useful in place of active.
>>>> Yes, this suggests a distinction between lurkers and leaders, but it
>>>> also allows for the definition of leader and our leadership ranks here
>>>> to expand.
>>>> I have been very visible here in the past but less so in recent years.
>>>> Reading most everything, but not so visible.
>>>> I think every single posting leads some us somewhere, even if those
>>>> places aren't so obvious.
>>>> Enjoying seeing so many familiar names mixed in with new ones.
>>>> Michael
>>>> On Thursday, December 11, 2014, Daniel Mezick via OSList
>>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>> In the game, as described, the definition of [lurker] is clear:
>>>>> "...someone who examines these OSLIST threads periodically but does
>>>>> not actively participate."
>>>>> The definition is purposefully loose, so anyone can self-identify
>>>>> with it, and optionally play the game.
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>> On 12/11/14 9:32 AM, Carmela Ariza via OSList wrote:
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> It is very interesting - that asking who are lurkers - encouraged
>>>>>> the lurkers to come out and write a few sentences...
>>>>>> I am curious - how do we really define LURKERS?
>>>>>> Would love to listen to your thoughts on this....
>>>>>> Carms
>>>>>> True happiness is a state of mind.
>>>>>> Happiness is not a consequence of things that happen.
>>>>>> Do not pursue happiness - practice it.
>>>>>> Sing, even if you do not sound good.
>>>>>> Smile, even when things go wrong.
>>>>>> Create happiness, and happy you will be.
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