[OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 46, Issue 17
Juana Anguita via OSList
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Sun Dec 14 16:09:19 PST 2014
Hey! Im a "lurcker" and "learner"
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1. Re: Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?
(Markus Wittwer via OSList)
2. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
(Bhavesh Patel via OSList)
3. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
(NigelSeys-Phillips via OSList)
4. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
(Daniel Mezick via OSList)
5. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
(Elwin and Joan via OSList)
6. Re: ?regular lurker? + our OSTLIST web platform
(Elwin and Joan via OSList)
7. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
(Tova Averbuch via OSList)
8. Re: Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?
(Tova Averbuch via OSList)
9. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
(Arno Baltin via OSList)
10. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
(paul levy via OSList)
11. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
(Koos de Heer via OSList)
12. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
(Thomas Herrmann via OSList)
13. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
(Eva P Svensson via OSList)
14. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
(Michael Herman via OSList)
15. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events? (via OSList)
16. Re: Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?
(Francois Knuchel via OSList)
17. Community Gardens (Annamarie Pluhar via OSList)
18. Re: How do we define LURKER? (Peggy Holman via OSList)
19. Re: Community Gardens (Michael Herman via OSList)
20. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
(Suzanne Daigle via OSList)
21. Re: Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
(Peggy Holman via OSList)
22. Re: How do we define LURKER? (ingrid ebeling ebus via OSList)
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 01:19:30 +0100
From: Markus Wittwer via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net>, World wide Open Space
Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?
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Lurk...
Am 11.12.2014 um 00:25 schrieb Daniel Mezick via OSList:
> Some of us were on a call on Tuesday, talking about Open Space....and
> OSLIST....
>
> ...the participants at the time were....
>
> Chuni Li
> Daniel Mezick
> Karen Davis
> Linda Stevenson
> Lucas Cioffi
> Paul Levy
> Peggy Holman
> Skye Hirst
> Suzanne Daigle
> Tricia Chirumbole
> Harold Shinsato
>
> We discussed OSLIST culture, and how the culture of OSLIST may not
> actually be very easy to figure out...
>
> ...we talked about how this list has hundreds upon hundreds of members,
> with just 25 to 45 people (give or take) who post or reply with anything
> close to a regular frequency, and how some speak with highly
> authoritative voices.
>
> ...we talked a bit about how the culture of OSLIST /might actually be
> kind of intimidating for new people/ to participate in.
>
>
> The Game
>
> We have no idea how many "regular lurkers" are in the group...we talked
> about trying to find out.
>
>
> So: if you are a "regular lurker", someone who examines these OSLIST
> threads periodically but does not actively participate ... are you
> willing to play a little game?
>
>
> The Lurker Game: you are invited to play...
>
> 1. *...The goal* is to collectively get some idea of how many of us on
> the list are "regular lurkers".
>
> 2. *...The rules* are:
>
> * If you consider yourself a "regular lurker", consider opting in to
> the game, by replying...
> * If you reply, absolutely nothing further will be asked of you. All
> you are doing is identifying yourself as someone who lurks. That's it.
>
> 3. ...We'll all track *the progress* by watching the thread, and seeing
> how many reply over time.
>
> 4. ...Participation is *opt-in*.
>
>
>
> To participate, just hit [Reply List] and enter "hey" and press [Enter]
> ...or...
>
> ... (optionally) just say whatever you might want to say, instead
>
> We have no idea what might happen next; let's see what develops.
>
> Thanks!
> Daniel
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 02:43:31 +0200
From: Bhavesh Patel via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net>, World wide Open Space
Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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?Around 50... just finished one today in Kiev!
On 13 December 2014 at 18:34, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>
> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
> being reported!
>
> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
> *explore....*
>
> So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call it
> the OST-7 Game:
>
>
> ========================================
> *The OST-7** Game*
> ========================================
>
> *The Goal:*
> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth
of
> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>
> *The Rules:*
> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
> color, etc
>
> *Tracking Progress:*
> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of
> OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
> absolutely any other measures you like
>
> *Play:*
> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>
> ========================================
>
>
>
> Notes:
>
> - For this game, "OST" means something like this:
> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
> - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
> - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
> stays together, under the same subject
>
>
> Steps to Play:
>
> - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
> - Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to
> say
>
>
> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>
> Daniel
>
> --
>
> Daniel Mezick, President
>
> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>
> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>
> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>
> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the Agile
> Manager.
>
> Explore Agile Team Training
> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>
> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>
> Community.
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:19:34 +0800
From: NigelSeys-Phillips via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: "'Daniel Mezick'" <dan at newtechusa.net>, "'World wide Open Space
Technology email list'" <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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Hair colour is an interesting concept??seems to have been getting a lot
greyer with time?..
Yes indeed ? comfortably over 7 (if not massively so) and still going J
>From 12 ? 250?street children to business executives
All fun and all Open
Oh yes ? it?s hot again here in Malaysia J
Nigel
Nigel Seys-Phillips
Fulcrum Business Management Solutions
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E-mail: nigel at fulcrum.com.sg
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From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of
Daniel Mezick via OSList
Sent: Sunday, 14 December 2014 12:34 AM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Subject: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience being
reported!
So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ... explore....
So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it the
OST-7 Game:
========================================
The OST-7 Game
========================================
The Goal:
Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7 or
more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of
practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
The Rules:
If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with "hey"
... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to say, for
example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair color, etc
Tracking Progress:
Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of
OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
absolutely any other measures you like
Play:
100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer to
just watch the game, that's OK too.
========================================
Notes:
* For this game, "OST" means something like this:
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
* This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
* Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
stays together, under the same subject
Steps to Play:
* Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
* Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to
say
You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
Daniel
--
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New Technology Solutions Inc.
(203) 915 7248 (cell)
Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/> . <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>
Blog. <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/> Twitter.
Examine my new book: <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>
The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager.
Explore Agile Team <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/>
Training and <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 21:48:30 -0500
From: Daniel Mezick via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list'
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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I used have more hair, and it used to be blond. I think I have
Facilitated about 14 or 15 Open Space events in all since about 2009.
Since then I've also been responsible for helping arrange many others.
I am primarily interested in bringing the genuine spirit and practice of
Open Space into Agile adoptions. This is a huge uphill effort. Most all
Agile adoptions are authoritative top-down mandates of practices,
instead of inviting and engaging explorations of core principles. As
such, I think we might have a big opportunity there, to authentically
open up some space, and make a big impact.
* I used to program computers and teach other folks how to do it for a
living. I have a software patent.
http://www.google.com/patents/US5872974
* Lately I've been drawn to biology and the emerging science of
epigenetics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics
* I entertain many controversial theories, for example:
http://www.panspermia.org/intro.htm.
My Dad was always fond of saying: "you're really good at collecting some
very offbeat friends."
That's certainly been my experience here...
Daniel
On 12/13/14 8:19 PM, NigelSeys-Phillips wrote:
>
> Hair colour is an interesting concept??seems to have been getting a
> lot greyer with time?..
>
> Yes indeed ? comfortably over 7 (if not massively so) and still going J
>
> From 12 ? 250?street children to business executives
>
> All fun and all Open
>
> Oh yes ? it?s hot again here in Malaysia J
>
> Nigel
>
> Nigel Seys-Phillips
>
> Fulcrum Business Management Solutions
>
> Tel: +65 9639 2510
>
> E-mail: nigel at fulcrum.com.sg <mailto:nigel at fulcrum.com.sg>
>
> www.fulcrum.com.sg
>
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> *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Daniel Mezick via OSList
> *Sent:* Sunday, 14 December 2014 12:34 AM
> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Subject:* [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
>
> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>
> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
> being reported!
>
> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
> /explore..../
>
> So: if you want, /you are cordially invited/ to play ... let's call it
> the OST-7 Game:
>
>
> ========================================
> *The OST-7 Game*
> ========================================
>
> *The Goal:*
> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually
> Facilitated 7 or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way:
> what is the depth of practical OST facilitation experience across the
> entire membership?
>
> *The Rules:*
> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like
> to say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one,
> your hair color, etc
>
> *Tracking Progress:*
> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries,
> # of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair,
> or absolutely any other measures you like
> *
> Play:*
> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and
> prefer to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>
> ========================================
>
>
>
> Notes:
>
> * For this game, "OST" means something like this:
> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
> * This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
> * Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the
> thread stays together, under the same subject
>
>
> Steps to Play:
>
> * Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
> * Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like
> to say
>
>
> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>
> Daniel
>
> --
>
> Daniel Mezick, President
>
> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>
> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>
> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>
> Examine my new book:The Culture Game
> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the
> Agile Manager.
>
> Explore Agile Team Training
> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>
> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net/user-groups/ma/>Community.
>
--
Daniel Mezick, President
New Technology Solutions Inc.
(203) 915 7248 (cell)
Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
<http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
Examine my new book:The Culture Game
<http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the
Agile Manager.
Explore Agile Team Training
<http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
<http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>Community.
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 03:05:35 +0000 (UTC)
From: Elwin and Joan via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net>, World wide Open Space
Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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too many to count
From: Daniel Mezick via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 11:34 AM
Subject: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience being
reported!
So interesting ... so much depth.? Seems like something to ... explore....
So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it the
OST-7 Game:
========================================
The OST-7 Game
========================================
The Goal:
Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of
practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
The Rules:
If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with "hey"
... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to say, for
example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair color, etc
Tracking Progress:
Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of
OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
absolutely any other measures you like
Play:
100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
to just watch the game, that's OK too.
========================================
Notes:
- For this game, "OST" means something like this:
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
- This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've Facilitated
at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
- Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
stays together, under the same subject
Steps to Play:
- Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
- Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to say
You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
Daniel
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 03:10:34 +0000 (UTC)
From: Elwin and Joan via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>, World wide Open
Space
Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] ?regular lurker? + our OSTLIST web platform
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Michael,
You sir are truly a give of God.
We all are in your debt.
Elwin Guild
From: Michael Herman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Patricia Haines <levelgreen2010 at gmail.com>; World wide Open Space
Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [OSList] ?regular lurker? + our OSTLIST web platform
I think it was about 1998 when murkier, who started the list at boise state
univ, suggested moving the list to a fancy up-and-coming platform called
egroups. It was a threaded discussion email site. In my memory, must be the
biggest and most energized conversation we ever had on this list. In the
end, it was rejected. And where is egroups today?
At openspaceworld.org, since 1999, we have had discussion forums, wiki,
wordpress group blog, but the I think the best thing we did was that I wrote
some "about OST" stuff and artur de silva suggested that it ought to be in
languages other than English. He volunteered to do Spanish andPortuguese,
others did their languages too. The tasks were simple and defined and got
done whenever anyone came forward and offered something. Now we have links
to intro material in 17 languages I think. All completely unplanned,
but?supported by just?keeping the site online.?
In the meantime, there is a Wikipedia page, a Facebook group, a Ning
community, the os hotline,?and any number of regional lists and groups and
meet ups of various shapes and frequencies.?
it's easy to design and build a site or platform, but yet another thing to
keep it going and up to date. And I don't think we can?build anything and
expect it to both replace an established community center and also grow past
it, succeeding where every past effort has not.?
At the same time, none of those prior offerings really set out to replace
anything, I think. They all just offered something else. And that is an
approach that seems very open spacey to me, to just do something, try
something, offer something and see what happens. It might displace
everything or nothing, but that won't matter. It's the offering, I think,
that keep us going.?
I'm glad to offer sub domain space at openspaceworld.org for anything that
wants building and trying. Done this with many language wikis over the
years.?
I'm also getting ready to cleanup at openspaceworld.org, so anyone who wants
to help think and do about that is welcome. It's the one big site/platform
we have that's completely unconstrained by the structures imposed by service
companies like Facebook. So we can do anything we want there to tie all the
other things together, as long as we also find a way to maintain past
contributions.?
I always keep looking for ways for openspaceworld.org to virtually
disappear, into just a set of links, something michael pannwitz suggested to
me when the site was still just six months old, and in that way to suggest
and?demonstrate?that os is much bigger than any of these platforms.?
Michael
On Saturday, December 13, 2014, Patricia Haines via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
Please don't replace this listserv with something complicated!
Level Green Institute: fostering just & sustainable community through
education and the arts
On Dec 13, 2014, at 5:35 AM, Arturo Uscategui-Colaboremos via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
Dear All,And what ifwe set a team to design, develop, deliver and maintain
our new wonderful OSTLIST web platform,which will be up to the requirements
to replace this OSLIST?This teamcould work on an Agile way. I?ll behappy to
contribute. I don?t know exactly how, but I?ll be there to do it
togetherwith those who wish to do it also. ;)ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT FROM
WITHIN
www.colaboremos.com?Arturo Usc?tegui Restrepo
Transition Facilitator Specialized in Organizational Development.?
Helping organizations to collaborate and find their own solutions from
within+33 (0)6 52 14 29 09Skype: auscateguirTwitter: @icolaboremosLinked in
: fr.linkedin.com/in/arturouscategui/
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:45:35 +0200
From: Tova Averbuch via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Bhavesh Patel <bhavmail at gmail.com>, World wide Open Space
Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Cc: World wide Open Space Technology email list
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Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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About 500. Since 1999
Tova Averbuch
???? ??-iPhone ???
?-Dec 14, 2014, ???? 2:43, Bhavesh Patel via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> ???/?:
> ?Around 50... just finished one today in Kiev!
>
>
>
> On 13 December 2014 at 18:34, Daniel Mezick via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>
>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
being reported!
>>
>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
explore....
>>
>> So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it the
OST-7 Game:
>>
>>
>> ========================================
>> The OST-7 Game
>> ========================================
>>
>> The Goal:
>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of
practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>
>> The Rules:
>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
"hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
color, etc
>>
>> Tracking Progress:
>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, #
of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
absolutely any other measures you like
>>
>> Play:
>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>
>> ========================================
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes:
>> For this game, "OST" means something like this:
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>> This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've Facilitated at
least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>> Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread stays
together, under the same subject
>>
>> Steps to Play:
>> Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>> Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to say
>>
>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>
>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>
>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>
>> Bio. Blog. Twitter.
>>
>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager.
>>
>> Explore Agile Team Training and Coaching.
>>
>> Explore the Agile Boston Community.
>>
>>
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:51:55 +0200
From: Tova Averbuch via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Markus Wittwer <Markus.Wittwer at web.de>, World wide Open Space
Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?
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Unfortunately in the last 7 years I am not.
For seven years (1999-2006) I was both frequent lurker and contributor. And
then could not have the time and attention for many reasons.
I am in love and it debt to this beautiful community and list and am trying
to meet Face to face in WOS on OS events
Hope to lurk again spoon and meet old and new friends!:)
Much love
Tova Averbuch
???? ??-iPhone ???
?-Dec 14, 2014, ???? 2:19, Markus Wittwer via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> ???/?:
> Lurk...
>
> Am 11.12.2014 um 00:25 schrieb Daniel Mezick via OSList:
>> Some of us were on a call on Tuesday, talking about Open Space....and
>> OSLIST....
>>
>> ...the participants at the time were....
>>
>> Chuni Li
>> Daniel Mezick
>> Karen Davis
>> Linda Stevenson
>> Lucas Cioffi
>> Paul Levy
>> Peggy Holman
>> Skye Hirst
>> Suzanne Daigle
>> Tricia Chirumbole
>> Harold Shinsato
>>
>> We discussed OSLIST culture, and how the culture of OSLIST may not
>> actually be very easy to figure out...
>>
>> ...we talked about how this list has hundreds upon hundreds of members,
>> with just 25 to 45 people (give or take) who post or reply with anything
>> close to a regular frequency, and how some speak with highly
>> authoritative voices.
>>
>> ...we talked a bit about how the culture of OSLIST /might actually be
>> kind of intimidating for new people/ to participate in.
>>
>>
>> The Game
>>
>> We have no idea how many "regular lurkers" are in the group...we talked
>> about trying to find out.
>>
>>
>> So: if you are a "regular lurker", someone who examines these OSLIST
>> threads periodically but does not actively participate ... are you
>> willing to play a little game?
>>
>>
>> The Lurker Game: you are invited to play...
>>
>> 1. *...The goal* is to collectively get some idea of how many of us on
>> the list are "regular lurkers".
>>
>> 2. *...The rules* are:
>>
>> * If you consider yourself a "regular lurker", consider opting in to
>> the game, by replying...
>> * If you reply, absolutely nothing further will be asked of you. All
>> you are doing is identifying yourself as someone who lurks. That's it.
>>
>> 3. ...We'll all track *the progress* by watching the thread, and seeing
>> how many reply over time.
>>
>> 4. ...Participation is *opt-in*.
>>
>>
>>
>> To participate, just hit [Reply List] and enter "hey" and press [Enter]
>> ...or...
>>
>> ... (optionally) just say whatever you might want to say, instead
>>
>> We have no idea what might happen next; let's see what develops.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 12:39:27 +0200
From: Arno Baltin via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net>, World wide Open Space
Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>, OSLIST
<OSLIST at listserv.boisestate.edu>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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Hi!
7+
I appreciate your effort Daniel!
Be well!
Arno
2014-12-13 18:34 GMT+02:00 Daniel Mezick via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>
> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
> being reported!
>
> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
> *explore....*
>
> So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call it
> the OST-7 Game:
>
>
> ========================================
> *The OST-7** Game*
> ========================================
>
> *The Goal:*
> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth
of
> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>
> *The Rules:*
> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
> color, etc
>
> *Tracking Progress:*
> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of
> OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
> absolutely any other measures you like
>
> *Play:*
> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>
> ========================================
>
>
>
> Notes:
>
> - For this game, "OST" means something like this:
> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
> - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
> - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
> stays together, under the same subject
>
>
> Steps to Play:
>
> - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
> - Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to
> say
>
>
> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>
> Daniel
>
> --
>
> Daniel Mezick, President
>
> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>
> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>
> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>
> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the Agile
> Manager.
>
> Explore Agile Team Training
> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>
> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>
> Community.
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:46:58 +0000
From: paul levy via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net>, World wide Open Space
Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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I've facilictated around 50 gatherings using Open Space Technology.
And therein lies a possible interesting conundrum.
Because I have open space thousands of times. I have also never opened
space quite like the next time it is going to happen. So the number if many
and zero.
I've also opened space improvising around open space technology. And Open
Space Technology has changed around me. Self-organisation has tinkered with
the "recipe" - the one in the guide. But that gets talked about a lot less
on this list and, increasingly, a bunch of "open spacer" are sharing those
stories elsewhere.
There is no such thing as open space technology. There is no guide. There
is no "founder", there are no gatekeepers; yet there are all of these
things.
Tomorrow might just be my first ever Open Space.
warm wishes
Paul Levy
On 13 December 2014 at 16:34, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>
> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
> being reported!
>
> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
> *explore....*
>
> So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call it
> the OST-7 Game:
>
>
> ========================================
> *The OST-7** Game*
> ========================================
>
> *The Goal:*
> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth
of
> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>
> *The Rules:*
> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
> color, etc
>
> *Tracking Progress:*
> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of
> OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
> absolutely any other measures you like
>
> *Play:*
> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>
> ========================================
>
>
>
> Notes:
>
> - For this game, "OST" means something like this:
> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
> - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
> - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
> stays together, under the same subject
>
>
> Steps to Play:
>
> - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
> - Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to
> say
>
>
> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>
> Daniel
>
> --
>
> Daniel Mezick, President
>
> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>
> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>
> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>
> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the Agile
> Manager.
>
> Explore Agile Team Training
> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>
> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>
> Community.
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 12:40:10 +0100
From: Koos de Heer via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net>, World wide Open Space
Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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I have done so many that I have lost count. I always dream of going back in
all my calendars and do a count. So far, haven't gotten around to it.
Happy lurking!
Met vriendelijke groet,
Koos de Heer
Daniel Mezick via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>schreef:
>Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>
>...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
>being reported!
>
>So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
/explore..../
>
>So: if you want, /you are cordially invited/ to play ... let's call it
>the OST-7 Game:
>
>
>========================================
>*The OST-7**Game*
>========================================
>
>*The Goal:*
>Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated
>7 or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the
>depth of practical OST facilitation experience across the entire
membership?
>
>*The Rules:*
>If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
>"hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
>say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your
>hair color, etc
>
>*Tracking Progress:*
>Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, #
>of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
>absolutely any other measures you like
>*
>**Play:*
>100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and
>prefer to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>
>========================================
>
>
>
>Notes:
>
> * For this game, "OST" means something like this:
> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
> * This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
> * Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
> stays together, under the same subject
>
>
>Steps to Play:
>
> * Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
> * Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to say
>
>
>You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>
>Daniel
>
>--
>
>Daniel Mezick, President
>
>New Technology Solutions Inc.
>
>(203) 915 7248 (cell)
>
>Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
><http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
<http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>
>Examine my new book:The Culture Game
><http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the
>Agile Manager.
>
>Explore Agile Team Training
><http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
><http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>
>Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>Community.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 12:56:33 +0100
From: Thomas Herrmann via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Arno Baltin <arno at tlu.ee>, World wide Open Space Technology email
list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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Yes
Lost count but several hundred these 15yrs. Also trained approx 300 people
and I hear often about their opening space all over. A true joy that gives
me faith for the future.
Thomas Herrmann in Sweden
Skickat fr?n min iPhone
> 14 dec 2014 kl. 11:39 skrev Arno Baltin via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Hi!
>
> 7+
>
> I appreciate your effort Daniel!
>
> Be well!
>
> Arno
>
>
>
>
> 2014-12-13 18:34 GMT+02:00 Daniel Mezick via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>
>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>
>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
being reported!
>>
>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
explore....
>>
>> So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it the
OST-7 Game:
>>
>>
>> ========================================
>> The OST-7 Game
>> ========================================
>>
>> The Goal:
>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of
practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>
>> The Rules:
>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
"hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your
hair color, etc
>>
>> Tracking Progress:
>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, #
of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
absolutely any other measures you like
>>
>> Play:
>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>
>> ========================================
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes:
>> For this game, "OST" means something like this:
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>> This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've Facilitated at
least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>> Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread stays
together, under the same subject
>>
>> Steps to Play:
>> Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>> Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to say
>>
>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>
>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>
>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>
>> Bio. Blog. Twitter.
>>
>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager.
>>
>> Explore Agile Team Training and Coaching.
>>
>> Explore the Agile Boston Community.
>>
>>
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:47:08 +0100
From: Eva P Svensson via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Gray <graydancer at gmail.com>, World wide Open Space Technology
email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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I have also stopped counting :-)
But love doing it whenever it?s possible.
:o)
Eva
Sweden
B?sta h?lsningar
Eva P Svensson
EPS Human Invest AB
Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc
Medlem i Beyond Performance Group
"Verksamhetsutveckling genom m?nniskor skapar l?ngsiktigt v?lm?ende f?retag
och organisationer"
An?sbergsv?gen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
Bes?ksadress; Norra All?gatan 8, G?teborg
Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
www.epshumaninvest.se <http://www.epshumaninvest.se/>
Skype: eva.p.svensson
Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
twitter:@EvaPSvensson
"Jag kan inte l?ra dig n?got. Allt jag kan g?ra ?r att st?lla fr?gor till
dig, och l?ta dig sj?lv finna svaren." Sokrates
> 13 dec 2014 kl. 18:05 skrev Gray via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Um...I've facilitated, at this point, a little over 60. Smallest was 8
people on Maui. Largest was about 375, in Chicago. Been doing it since 2007.
>
> And I say "um..." Because I am still learning, still figuring it out, and
still hear Lisa Heft in my head saying "be more invisible, Gray..."
>
>
>
> ?
> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
wrote:
>
> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>
> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
being reported!
>
> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ... explore....
>
> So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it the
OST-7 Game:
>
>
> ========================================
> The OST-7 Game
> ========================================
>
> The Goal:
> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of
practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>
> The Rules:
> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
"hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
color, etc
>
> Tracking Progress:
> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of
OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
absolutely any other measures you like
>
> Play:
> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>
> ========================================
>
>
>
> Notes:
>
> For this game, "OST" means something like this:
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
<http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm>
> This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've Facilitated at
least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
> Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread stays
together, under the same subject
>
> Steps to Play:
> Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
> Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to say
>
> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>
> Daniel
>
> --
> Daniel Mezick, President
>
> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>
> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>
> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
<http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
> Examine my new book: The Culture Game?
<http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the Agile
Manager.
> Explore Agile Team Training
<http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
<http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
> Explore the Agile Boston?
<http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>Community.
>
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:26:16 -0600
From: Michael Herman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Eva P Svensson <eva at epshumaninvest.se>, World wide Open Space
Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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i woke up this morning thinking about this game, thinking in a direction
similar to paul levy.
i am the nominal leader of a community garden now for four years. my
management is deeply informed by my learning in and about open space. does
it count as 1 or 4?
i once had a client who flew me in to facilitate a meeting. we also built
a weblog and they contacted me a number of times, over several years, with
minor technical questions. do the meeting and the blog count as one
together, or two separate?
i taught my grandma to say "ah," as she began the active process of dying.
she then repeated that seed syllable, a one-syllable mantra for peace, on
every breath of her last week of life. she never opened her eyes but over
that week completely relaxed her whole body. was that open space? what
about up all night rocking a tiny, sick, neice?
i saw some new neighbors moving in the other day. our neighborhood has a
lot of old houses and everybody moves in and starts updating everything. i
offered my tools and experience. if they never take me up on that
offer/invitation, does it count? what if they just look for me at my desk
in our front window, and wave when they see me, while out walking their
dog? that could happen a lot. must count as only once? or maybe it
doesn't count at all?
what about three opening briefings, on three consecutive days of open space
trainings i've done? and what about all the things that happen after an
event, does the original opener get partial credit for things his/her
participants open later on?
to paul's point, i can ask questions like this about almost every situation
where i facilitated a meeting in an open space way, and about many other
situations where i was not "facilitating" anything, apparently. this is
one of the ways i understand that we live in open space.
my approach to training folks in and about open space is significantly
focused on the crafting of invitations, in the belief that if we make
enough invitations, over time, people, groups and good work are going to
show up.
i also focus on discovering all the different ways that whomever i'm
"training" has already been opening space in their own lives. i don't
think anyone could come to this work without having already done it before.
it would be completely un-understandable to them without prior experience.
i think people ask for training so they can do what they already know/do
better. so i try to build on and from whatever understanding they bring.
so this question of seven or more is not so easy for me. not sure it's
even helpful. i'm more interested in questions like:
1. when did you first hear about os or ost?
2. what was the hook? how did you notice it might have value?
3. when did you notice that you'd started letting it inform how you live?
4. what has happened since then? what difference does it seem to make?
and so on. a new game? the next round? maybe. or maybe it's just the
game Murli called OSLIST back in 1996?
michael
--
Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)
http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> I have also stopped counting :-)
> But love doing it whenever it?s possible.
> :o)
> Eva
> Sweden
>
> B?sta h?lsningar
>
>
> Eva P Svensson
>
>
> *EPS Human Invest AB*
> *Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc*
> *Medlem i Beyond Performance Group*
>
>
> *"Verksamhetsutveckling genom m?nniskor skapar l?ngsiktigt v?lm?ende
> f?retag och organisationer"*
>
>
> An?sbergsv?gen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
> Bes?ksadress; Norra All?gatan 8, G?teborg
> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
> www.epshumaninvest.se
> Skype: eva.p.svensson
> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>
> *"Jag kan inte l?ra dig n?got. Allt jag kan g?ra ?r att st?lla fr?gor till
> dig, och l?ta dig sj?lv finna svaren." Sokrates*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 13 dec 2014 kl. 18:05 skrev Gray via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Um...I've facilitated, at this point, a little over 60. Smallest was 8
> people on Maui. Largest was about 375, in Chicago. Been doing it since
2007.
>
> And I say "um..." Because I am still learning, still figuring it out, and
> still hear Lisa Heft in my head saying "be more invisible, Gray..."
>
>
>
> ?
> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>
>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
>> being reported!
>>
>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
>> *explore....*
>>
>> So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call it
>> the OST-7 Game:
>>
>>
>> ========================================
>> *The OST-7** Game*
>> ========================================
>>
>> *The Goal:*
>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
>> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth
of
>> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>
>> *The Rules:*
>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
>> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
>> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
>> color, etc
>>
>> *Tracking Progress:*
>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, #
>> of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
>> absolutely any other measures you like
>>
>> *Play:*
>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
>> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>
>> ========================================
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> - For this game, "OST" means something like this:
>> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>> - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
>> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>> - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
>> stays together, under the same subject
>>
>>
>> Steps to Play:
>>
>> - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>> - Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to
>> say
>>
>>
>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> --
>>
>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>
>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>
>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the
>> Agile Manager.
>>
>> Explore Agile Team Training
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>>
>> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>
>> Community.
>>
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 12:37:22 -0500
From: via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>, World wide Open Space
Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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Hi Michael,
I enjoyed reading your responses/reflections.
You made me think more
About the subtleties of working w/others, training, facilitating, & being
humanly present.
The 7 or more inquiry helped me to process a good number of OS that I have
fostered.
I am grateful to be conscious now of what had been unconscious.
In the stream of things, will this matter or change anything?
Probably not.
Currently, I have Cancer, receive chemo, & appreciate all recall.
Peace & diversity of opinions,
Scott
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 14, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Michael Herman via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> i woke up this morning thinking about this game, thinking in a direction
similar to paul levy.
>
> i am the nominal leader of a community garden now for four years. my
management is deeply informed by my learning in and about open space. does
it count as 1 or 4?
>
> i once had a client who flew me in to facilitate a meeting. we also built
a weblog and they contacted me a number of times, over several years, with
minor technical questions. do the meeting and the blog count as one
together, or two separate?
>
> i taught my grandma to say "ah," as she began the active process of dying.
she then repeated that seed syllable, a one-syllable mantra for peace, on
every breath of her last week of life. she never opened her eyes but over
that week completely relaxed her whole body. was that open space? what
about up all night rocking a tiny, sick, neice?
>
> i saw some new neighbors moving in the other day. our neighborhood has a
lot of old houses and everybody moves in and starts updating everything. i
offered my tools and experience. if they never take me up on that
offer/invitation, does it count? what if they just look for me at my desk
in our front window, and wave when they see me, while out walking their dog?
that could happen a lot. must count as only once? or maybe it doesn't
count at all?
>
> what about three opening briefings, on three consecutive days of open
space trainings i've done? and what about all the things that happen after
an event, does the original opener get partial credit for things his/her
participants open later on?
>
> to paul's point, i can ask questions like this about almost every
situation where i facilitated a meeting in an open space way, and about many
other situations where i was not "facilitating" anything, apparently. this
is one of the ways i understand that we live in open space.
>
> my approach to training folks in and about open space is significantly
focused on the crafting of invitations, in the belief that if we make enough
invitations, over time, people, groups and good work are going to show up.
>
> i also focus on discovering all the different ways that whomever i'm
"training" has already been opening space in their own lives. i don't think
anyone could come to this work without having already done it before. it
would be completely un-understandable to them without prior experience. i
think people ask for training so they can do what they already know/do
better. so i try to build on and from whatever understanding they bring.
>
> so this question of seven or more is not so easy for me. not sure it's
even helpful. i'm more interested in questions like:
>
> 1. when did you first hear about os or ost?
> 2. what was the hook? how did you notice it might have value?
> 3. when did you notice that you'd started letting it inform how you live?
> 4. what has happened since then? what difference does it seem to make?
>
> and so on. a new game? the next round? maybe. or maybe it's just the
game Murli called OSLIST back in 1996?
>
> michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>
>
>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> I have also stopped counting :-)
>> But love doing it whenever it?s possible.
>> :o)
>> Eva
>> Sweden
>>
>> B?sta h?lsningar
>>
>> Eva P Svensson
>>
>> EPS Human Invest AB
>> Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc
>> Medlem i Beyond Performance Group
>>
>> "Verksamhetsutveckling genom m?nniskor skapar l?ngsiktigt v?lm?ende
f?retag och organisationer"
>>
>> An?sbergsv?gen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
>> Bes?ksadress; Norra All?gatan 8, G?teborg
>> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
>> www.epshumaninvest.se
>> Skype: eva.p.svensson
>> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
>> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>>
>> "Jag kan inte l?ra dig n?got. Allt jag kan g?ra ?r att st?lla fr?gor till
dig, och l?ta dig sj?lv finna svaren." Sokrates
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> 13 dec 2014 kl. 18:05 skrev Gray via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>>
>>> Um...I've facilitated, at this point, a little over 60. Smallest was 8
people on Maui. Largest was about 375, in Chicago. Been doing it since 2007.
>>>
>>> And I say "um..." Because I am still learning, still figuring it out,
and still hear Lisa Heft in my head saying "be more invisible, Gray..."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Sent from Mailbox
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>>>
>>>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
being reported!
>>>>
>>>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
explore....
>>>>
>>>> So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it
the OST-7 Game:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ========================================
>>>> The OST-7 Game
>>>> ========================================
>>>>
>>>> The Goal:
>>>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated
7 or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth
of practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>>>
>>>> The Rules:
>>>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
"hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
color, etc
>>>>
>>>> Tracking Progress:
>>>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, #
of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
absolutely any other measures you like
>>>>
>>>> Play:
>>>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and
prefer to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>>>
>>>> ========================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Notes:
>>>>
>>>> For this game, "OST" means something like this:
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>>>> This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've Facilitated
at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>>>> Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
stays together, under the same subject
>>>>
>>>> Steps to Play:
>>>> Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>>>> Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to say
>>>>
>>>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>>>
>>>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>>>
>>>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>>>
>>>> Bio. Blog. Twitter.
>>>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager.
>>>> Explore Agile Team Training and Coaching.
>>>>
>>>> Explore the Agile Boston Community.
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OSList mailing list
>>> To post send emails to OSList at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> To unsubscribe send an email to OSList-leave at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
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>>
>>
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:50:43 -0000
From: Francois Knuchel via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'"
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?
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Hi Dan
BUTTERFLY! (and usually with a delay of a week or two).
I don?t consider myself a lurker ? I don?t hide behind somewhere, ready to
pounce, I have no evil intentions. But maybe that?s a cultural thing. :)
I think butterfly is a more elegant expression, even in the online world.
Francois
London
From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of
Daniel Mezick via OSList
Sent: 10 December 2014 23:25
To: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Subject: [OSList] Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?
Some of us were on a call on Tuesday, talking about Open Space....and
OSLIST....
...the participants at the time were....
Chuni Li
Daniel Mezick
Karen Davis
Linda Stevenson
Lucas Cioffi
Paul Levy
Peggy Holman
Skye Hirst
Suzanne Daigle
Tricia Chirumbole
Harold Shinsato
We discussed OSLIST culture, and how the culture of OSLIST may not actually
be very easy to figure out...
...we talked about how this list has hundreds upon hundreds of members, with
just 25 to 45 people (give or take) who post or reply with anything close to
a regular frequency, and how some speak with highly authoritative voices.
...we talked a bit about how the culture of OSLIST might actually be kind of
intimidating for new people to participate in.
The Game
We have no idea how many "regular lurkers" are in the group...we talked
about trying to find out.
So: if you are a "regular lurker", someone who examines these OSLIST threads
periodically but does not actively participate ... are you willing to play
a little game?
The Lurker Game: you are invited to play...
1. ...The goal is to collectively get some idea of how many of us on the
list are "regular lurkers".
2. ...The rules are:
* If you consider yourself a "regular lurker", consider opting in to
the game, by replying...
* If you reply, absolutely nothing further will be asked of you. All
you are doing is identifying yourself as someone who lurks. That's it.
3. ...We'll all track the progress by watching the thread, and seeing how
many reply over time.
4. ...Participation is opt-in.
To participate, just hit [Reply List] and enter "hey" and press [Enter]
...or...
... (optionally) just say whatever you might want to say, instead
We have no idea what might happen next; let's see what develops.
Thanks!
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:55:41 -0500
From: Annamarie Pluhar via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: "Michael Herman" <michael at michaelherman.com>, "World wide Open
Space Technology email list" <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: [OSList] Community Gardens
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Hi! (I started to write just to Michael - but realized that others
might find the question and answer of interest.)
How does the nominal leader run the community garden in OS? Most
particularly how does the work that needs to be done to manage the
garden as a whole get done?
I ask as secretary of a Governing Committee that came into existence
when the original founders alienated too many people (by being arrogant
and punitive and authoritarian) and it was decided we needed to have
some structure and governance.
'Nuff said, interested in the answer!
Peace,
Annamarie
Annamarie Pluhar
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http://www.pluharconsulting.com
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On 14 Dec 2014, at 11:26, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
> i woke up this morning thinking about this game, thinking in a
> direction
> similar to paul levy.
>
> i am the nominal leader of a community garden now for four years. my
> management is deeply informed by my learning in and about open space.
> does
> it count as 1 or 4?
>
> i once had a client who flew me in to facilitate a meeting. we also
> built
> a weblog and they contacted me a number of times, over several years,
> with
> minor technical questions. do the meeting and the blog count as one
> together, or two separate?
>
> i taught my grandma to say "ah," as she began the active process of
> dying.
> she then repeated that seed syllable, a one-syllable mantra for peace,
> on
> every breath of her last week of life. she never opened her eyes but
> over
> that week completely relaxed her whole body. was that open space?
> what
> about up all night rocking a tiny, sick, neice?
>
> i saw some new neighbors moving in the other day. our neighborhood
> has a
> lot of old houses and everybody moves in and starts updating
> everything. i
> offered my tools and experience. if they never take me up on that
> offer/invitation, does it count? what if they just look for me at my
> desk
> in our front window, and wave when they see me, while out walking
> their
> dog? that could happen a lot. must count as only once? or maybe it
> doesn't count at all?
>
> what about three opening briefings, on three consecutive days of open
> space
> trainings i've done? and what about all the things that happen after
> an
> event, does the original opener get partial credit for things his/her
> participants open later on?
>
> to paul's point, i can ask questions like this about almost every
> situation
> where i facilitated a meeting in an open space way, and about many
> other
> situations where i was not "facilitating" anything, apparently. this
> is
> one of the ways i understand that we live in open space.
>
> my approach to training folks in and about open space is significantly
> focused on the crafting of invitations, in the belief that if we make
> enough invitations, over time, people, groups and good work are going
> to
> show up.
>
> i also focus on discovering all the different ways that whomever i'm
> "training" has already been opening space in their own lives. i don't
> think anyone could come to this work without having already done it
> before.
> it would be completely un-understandable to them without prior
> experience.
> i think people ask for training so they can do what they already
> know/do
> better. so i try to build on and from whatever understanding they
> bring.
>
> so this question of seven or more is not so easy for me. not sure
> it's
> even helpful. i'm more interested in questions like:
>
> 1. when did you first hear about os or ost?
> 2. what was the hook? how did you notice it might have value?
> 3. when did you notice that you'd started letting it inform how you
> live?
> 4. what has happened since then? what difference does it seem to
> make?
>
> and so on. a new game? the next round? maybe. or maybe it's just
> the
> game Murli called OSLIST back in 1996?
>
> michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> I have also stopped counting :-)
>> But love doing it whenever it?s possible.
>> :o)
>> Eva
>> Sweden
>>
>> B?sta h?lsningar
>>
>>
>> Eva P Svensson
>>
>>
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>> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>>
>> *"Jag kan inte l?ra dig n?got. Allt jag kan g?ra ?r att st?lla
>> fr?gor till
>> dig, och l?ta dig sj?lv finna svaren." Sokrates*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 13 dec 2014 kl. 18:05 skrev Gray via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>
>> Um...I've facilitated, at this point, a little over 60. Smallest was
>> 8
>> people on Maui. Largest was about 375, in Chicago. Been doing it
>> since 2007.
>>
>> And I say "um..." Because I am still learning, still figuring it out,
>> and
>> still hear Lisa Heft in my head saying "be more invisible, Gray..."
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>>
>>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of
>>> experience
>>> being reported!
>>>
>>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
>>> *explore....*
>>>
>>> So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call
>>> it
>>> the OST-7 Game:
>>>
>>>
>>> ========================================
>>> *The OST-7** Game*
>>> ========================================
>>>
>>> *The Goal:*
>>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually
>>> Facilitated 7
>>> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the
>>> depth of
>>> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>>
>>> *The Rules:*
>>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying
>>> with
>>> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might
>>> like to
>>> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your
>>> hair
>>> color, etc
>>>
>>> *Tracking Progress:*
>>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of
>>> countries, #
>>> of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair,
>>> or
>>> absolutely any other measures you like
>>>
>>> *Play:*
>>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and
>>> prefer
>>> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>>
>>> ========================================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>>
>>> - For this game, "OST" means something like this:
>>> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>>> - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
>>> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>>> - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the
>>> thread
>>> stays together, under the same subject
>>>
>>>
>>> Steps to Play:
>>>
>>> - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>>> - Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like
>>> to
>>> say
>>>
>>>
>>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>>
>>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>>
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 11:59:12 -0800
From: Peggy Holman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Open Listserv <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] How do we define LURKER?
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I have played with the term "active readers" rather than lurkers. Has a
different tone.
The compulsive historian in me wants to mention that in November, 2009, a
message called Roll Call: Present was sent by Erik Fabian (who contributed
about 15 messages from June to November of that year.) He asked people just
to respond with a ?present?. While he used the term lurkers, he included in
a larger framing (below).
By his count, it brought 100+ responses, similar in tone to those responding
now. Ironically, Erik?s reflections on the roll call (also below) was his
last message to the list.
appreciatively,
Peggy
ROLL CALL: PRESENT
> On Nov 24, 2009, at 1:13 AM, Erik Fabian <erik at DOUBLEHAPPINESSNYC.COM>
wrote:
>
> I was intrigued by Phelim's observation that the OSLIST, not being a
physical space, lacks the
> information that comes from people sitting silent or choosing to leave.
>
> I invite the many folks, the lurkers, the newbies, the old hands, the
folks with better things to do,
> anyone really...to respond to this message with a "present" if you would
like to be noted as attending
> to this virtual space.
>
> I know it won't solve the exiting problem but it might perhaps give a
sense of scale to the ratio of
> talkers to the silent.
>
> Erik - present
>
> *
>
REFLECTING ON THE ROLL CALL
> On Nov 29, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Erik Fabian <erik at DOUBLEHAPPINESSNYC.COM>
wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> 1st thing: I don't mean to stop the Roll Call if folks would still like to
chime in. Feel welcome.
>
> 2nd: I was quite struck by the 100+ voices that have called present so far
in the Roll Call. Your
> responses reoriented my sense of scale on this list and created a
fascinating moment where I
> didn't know what was going to happen next...I felt like I watching a
filibuster or something.
>
> I was also struck by the sense of willingness to continue to be present in
this OSLIST conversation
> despite disagreements, other options, shyness, busy lives, etc. That felt
like some kind of bedrock
> to me.
>
> The momentum has slowed and the thread has mixed back into the stream of
multiple
> conversations on the list. I have also started to hear some reflection
from Michael (here:
> http://tinyurl.com/ygupaax) & Harold (here: http://tinyurl.com/ykx3scs)
and so it seems
> appropriate to put out a broader invitation to reflect on the Roll Call.
>
> I suppose I should say, I viewed the Roll Call responses in the context of
a couple weeks of debate
> about OS, where the online OS community should find its home, differing
values around online
> communication styles, and thoughts about OS and change.
>
> Peggy asked an interesting question recently: How do the Open Space
principles help us both
> support and resist change and what does that mean for the evolution of OST
and opening space?
> (http://tinyurl.com/yzg8nh9)
>
> So I invite anyone, anyone who was present or silently sat aside, who
would like to reflect on the
> Roll Call to feel welcome to do so, and to perhaps consider the Roll Call
in the light of recent
> debates on this list or Peggy's question about change and the future of
OS.
>
> Cheers,
> Erik
>
> *
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> On Dec 11, 2014, at 10:23 AM, openspacedk1 via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Given we are a community working with open space,
>
> therefore able or learning to be absolutely present
> and absolutely invisible
>
> isn't what we see the only thing that could happen ?
>
>
> Greetings Gerard, Denmark
>
>
>
> ichael Herman via OSList skrev den 2014-12-11 17:08:
>> Perhaps a bit of conflict in the definition, as it seems to say that
>> listening isn't active participation.
>> My working definition for leadership, in any field, is practice made
>> visible. Maybe visible is useful in place of active.
>> Yes, this suggests a distinction between lurkers and leaders, but it
>> also allows for the definition of leader and our leadership ranks here
>> to expand.
>> I have been very visible here in the past but less so in recent years.
>> Reading most everything, but not so visible.
>> I think every single posting leads some us somewhere, even if those
>> places aren't so obvious.
>> Enjoying seeing so many familiar names mixed in with new ones.
>> Michael
>> On Thursday, December 11, 2014, Daniel Mezick via OSList
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>> In the game, as described, the definition of [lurker] is clear:
>>> "...someone who examines these OSLIST threads periodically but does
>>> not actively participate."
>>> The definition is purposefully loose, so anyone can self-identify
>>> with it, and optionally play the game.
>>> Daniel
>>> On 12/11/14 9:32 AM, Carmela Ariza via OSList wrote:
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> It is very interesting - that asking who are lurkers - encouraged
>>>> the lurkers to come out and write a few sentences...
>>>> I am curious - how do we really define LURKERS?
>>>> Would love to listen to your thoughts on this....
>>>> Carms
>>>> True happiness is a state of mind.
>>>> Happiness is not a consequence of things that happen.
>>>> Do not pursue happiness - practice it.
>>>> Sing, even if you do not sound good.
>>>> Smile, even when things go wrong.
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:04:52 -0600
From: Michael Herman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Annamarie Pluhar <annamarie at pluharconsulting.com>, OSLIST
<OSList at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Community Gardens
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hi annamarie,
in our space, we have 18 plots in one large raised bed. plots are assigned
on first-come basis.
the previous garden leader and the guy who cut the grass in the park took 6
of the 18 plots for themselves, what seemed like the sunniest and best
plots. the first thing i did was take no plot. one other garden leader
takes one plot. everybody's equal, nobody gets more than one plot.
the next thing i did was set up an email group. when people ask for a
plot, i ask them to join the list. if they don't join, they never get the
information needed to sign up. so i ask them to take some responsibility
for their interest right away. it's not about a transaction that they pay
their little fee for their little plot. they have to actually show up in
the list.
then all the info goes out on the list. everything is done as
transparently as possible. assignments are done on a tenure basis, first
pick to returning gardeners, then in order of joining the list.
i invite/suggest tilling the whole bet together in the spring. my wife and
i live without a car, so i ask for somebody to pickup the rental tiller,
and volunteers come out throughout the day to take turns using it. some
don't show, and a few guys have a lot of fun giving the whole thing second
and third coats with the powertool. some people have perennials to be
saved, and they are responsible for getting those marked for the tillers.
through the summer, the list allows folks to ask others to water their
stuff while they go away. ask questions about various issues, who's
stealing tomatoes, what to do about the homeless guy sleeping in the park,
is he the guy stealing tomatoes? what about tree trimming? or what about
the big tree that shattered in the storm, the expert says it should come
down, but can it be saved? always my thing is putting out as much info as
i have and asking what anyone thinks, and what anyone can do to contribute.
and yes, the shattered tree has been saved for a few years now because a
couple of people on the list jumped to do what was needed to make that
happen.
we've had conflict of sorts, at least differences of opinion/agenda over
spreading weed poison in the park where the plots are. so that required a
fair amount of space holding on the list and in relations with my
neighbors. the neighbors were mostly willing to chip in and buy the poison
service. the gardeners we're willing to chip in and help dig up the
dandelions, also to do research on alternative sprays. one gardener's
father was an ag scientiest for one of the chemical companies. so we ended
up having a lot of good information, found an organic alternative, had to
have only one nasty treatment, and the gardeners worked to dig weeds within
the area closest to the garden bed.
mostly i ask a lot more questions and feed a lot more info into the list,
our "wall" and don't hardly ever tell anyone what they need to do. got a
little dicey in the weeds process, when a good friend and neighbor who
lives right next to the park, and led the weed poison charge, wanted and
expected me to do just that -- tell everybody how it was going to be. in
the end, my mailbox ends up being where organic weed treatment donations
are dropped off by neighbors and gardeners. of course, i am also the
keeper of the neighborhood contact info directory page and the neighbors
email list. in the garden there are a set of rules posted, as guides, but
enforcement is left to the group.
i guess i should also say that this land is held by a non-profit in chicago
that holds or leases claim to 70 or 80 green spaces. they handle
insurance, water bills, and other admin issues and contract with a
community group (the neighborhood association, in our case) and at least
three local garden leaders. the way i came into this is that i saw the
previous leadership running a very exclusive, controlling process and
happened to meet the director of the non-profit, who mentioned that he'd
not heard from our garden leaders for years. i helped him reconnect, but
also helped him re-write their contract with community group and leaders,
adding a larger section for "stakeholder" signatures. expanding the
circle, if you will. so i went around and had this new contract signed by
lots of neighbors and had a chance to talk to a lot of folks about what
they thought of the park and the garden and the neighborhood. then the old
leader got bothered that he'd not be in sole control, and walked out. the
neighborhood association took a while to figure out that i wasn't the
devil, but over time that's been borne out by the work i've done to engage
everyone in an open, expanding, resilient, emerging sort of process.
for my next trick, i try to get out and go take a nap for a year, or at
least get out of some of the stuff like collecting fees, assigning plots,
inviting the tiller day to happen. we'll see!
does that answer the question?
--
Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)
http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Annamarie Pluhar <
annamarie at pluharconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Hi! (I started to write just to Michael - but realized that others might
> find the question and answer of interest.)
>
> How does the nominal leader run the community garden in OS? Most
> particularly how does the work that needs to be done to manage the garden
> as a whole get done?
>
> I ask as secretary of a Governing Committee that came into existence when
> the original founders alienated too many people (by being arrogant and
> punitive and authoritarian) and it was decided we needed to have some
> structure and governance.
>
> 'Nuff said, interested in the answer!
>
> Peace,
> Annamarie
>
> Annamarie Pluhar
>
> Pluhar Consulting
> http://www.pluharconsulting.com
> 802.451.1941
> 802.579.5975 (cell)
>
> On 14 Dec 2014, at 11:26, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
>
> i woke up this morning thinking about this game, thinking in a direction
> similar to paul levy.
>
> i am the nominal leader of a community garden now for four years. my
> management is deeply informed by my learning in and about open space. does
> it count as 1 or 4?
>
> i once had a client who flew me in to facilitate a meeting. we also built
> a weblog and they contacted me a number of times, over several years, with
> minor technical questions. do the meeting and the blog count as one
> together, or two separate?
>
> i taught my grandma to say "ah," as she began the active process of dying.
> she then repeated that seed syllable, a one-syllable mantra for peace, on
> every breath of her last week of life. she never opened her eyes but over
> that week completely relaxed her whole body. was that open space? what
> about up all night rocking a tiny, sick, neice?
>
> i saw some new neighbors moving in the other day. our neighborhood has a
> lot of old houses and everybody moves in and starts updating everything. i
> offered my tools and experience. if they never take me up on that
> offer/invitation, does it count? what if they just look for me at my desk
> in our front window, and wave when they see me, while out walking their
> dog? that could happen a lot. must count as only once? or maybe it
> doesn't count at all?
>
> what about three opening briefings, on three consecutive days of open
space
> trainings i've done? and what about all the things that happen after an
> event, does the original opener get partial credit for things his/her
> participants open later on?
>
> to paul's point, i can ask questions like this about almost every
situation
> where i facilitated a meeting in an open space way, and about many other
> situations where i was not "facilitating" anything, apparently. this is
> one of the ways i understand that we live in open space.
>
> my approach to training folks in and about open space is significantly
> focused on the crafting of invitations, in the belief that if we make
> enough invitations, over time, people, groups and good work are going to
> show up.
>
> i also focus on discovering all the different ways that whomever i'm
> "training" has already been opening space in their own lives. i don't
> think anyone could come to this work without having already done it
before.
> it would be completely un-understandable to them without prior experience.
> i think people ask for training so they can do what they already know/do
> better. so i try to build on and from whatever understanding they bring.
>
> so this question of seven or more is not so easy for me. not sure it's
> even helpful. i'm more interested in questions like:
>
> 1. when did you first hear about os or ost?
> 2. what was the hook? how did you notice it might have value?
> 3. when did you notice that you'd started letting it inform how you
> live?
> 4. what has happened since then? what difference does it seem to make?
>
> and so on. a new game? the next round? maybe. or maybe it's just the
> game Murli called OSLIST back in 1996?
>
> michael
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> I have also stopped counting :-)
> But love doing it whenever it?s possible.
> :o)
> Eva
> Sweden
>
> B?sta h?lsningar
>
> Eva P Svensson
>
> *EPS Human Invest AB*
> *Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc*
> *Medlem i Beyond Performance Group*
>
>
> *"Verksamhetsutveckling genom m?nniskor skapar l?ngsiktigt v?lm?ende
> f?retag och organisationer"*
>
> An?sbergsv?gen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
> Bes?ksadress; Norra All?gatan 8, G?teborg
> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
> www.epshumaninvest.se
> Skype: eva.p.svensson
> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>
>
> *"Jag kan inte l?ra dig n?got. Allt jag kan g?ra ?r att st?lla fr?gor till
> dig, och l?ta dig sj?lv finna svaren." Sokrates*
>
> 13 dec 2014 kl. 18:05 skrev Gray via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Um...I've facilitated, at this point, a little over 60. Smallest was 8
> people on Maui. Largest was about 375, in Chicago. Been doing it since
> 2007.
>
> And I say "um..." Because I am still learning, still figuring it out, and
> still hear Lisa Heft in my head saying "be more invisible, Gray..."
>
> ?
> Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>
> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
> being reported!
>
> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
> *explore....*
>
> So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call it
> the OST-7 Game:
>
> ========================================
> *The OST-7** Game*
>
> *The Goal:*
> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth
of
> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>
> *The Rules:*
> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
> color, etc
>
> *Tracking Progress:*
> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, #
> of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
> absolutely any other measures you like
>
> *Play:*
> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>
> ========================================
>
> Notes:
>
> - For this game, "OST" means something like this:
> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
> - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
> - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
> stays together, under the same subject
>
> Steps to Play:
>
> - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
> - Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to
> say
>
> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>
> Daniel
>
> --
>
> Daniel Mezick, President
>
> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>
> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:11:48 -0500
From: Suzanne Daigle via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Scott Gassman <scott.gassman at gmail.com>, World wide Open Space
Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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More than 30 from 2 people to 350. So much more to learn and live, the Open
Space of life.
Enjoying the game. This too is new learning for me. Thank you Daniel.
Suzanne
On Dec 14, 2014 12:38 PM, "via OSList" <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> I enjoyed reading your responses/reflections.
> You made me think more
> About the subtleties of working w/others, training, facilitating, & being
> humanly present.
> The 7 or more inquiry helped me to process a good number of OS that I have
> fostered.
> I am grateful to be conscious now of what had been unconscious.
> In the stream of things, will this matter or change anything?
> Probably not.
> Currently, I have Cancer, receive chemo, & appreciate all recall.
> Peace & diversity of opinions,
> Scott
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 14, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Michael Herman via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> i woke up this morning thinking about this game, thinking in a direction
> similar to paul levy.
>
> i am the nominal leader of a community garden now for four years. my
> management is deeply informed by my learning in and about open space.
does
> it count as 1 or 4?
>
> i once had a client who flew me in to facilitate a meeting. we also built
> a weblog and they contacted me a number of times, over several years, with
> minor technical questions. do the meeting and the blog count as one
> together, or two separate?
>
> i taught my grandma to say "ah," as she began the active process of dying.
> she then repeated that seed syllable, a one-syllable mantra for peace, on
> every breath of her last week of life. she never opened her eyes but over
> that week completely relaxed her whole body. was that open space? what
> about up all night rocking a tiny, sick, neice?
>
> i saw some new neighbors moving in the other day. our neighborhood has a
> lot of old houses and everybody moves in and starts updating everything.
i
> offered my tools and experience. if they never take me up on that
> offer/invitation, does it count? what if they just look for me at my desk
> in our front window, and wave when they see me, while out walking their
> dog? that could happen a lot. must count as only once? or maybe it
> doesn't count at all?
>
> what about three opening briefings, on three consecutive days of open
> space trainings i've done? and what about all the things that happen
after
> an event, does the original opener get partial credit for things his/her
> participants open later on?
>
> to paul's point, i can ask questions like this about almost every
> situation where i facilitated a meeting in an open space way, and about
> many other situations where i was not "facilitating" anything, apparently.
> this is one of the ways i understand that we live in open space.
>
> my approach to training folks in and about open space is significantly
> focused on the crafting of invitations, in the belief that if we make
> enough invitations, over time, people, groups and good work are going to
> show up.
>
> i also focus on discovering all the different ways that whomever i'm
> "training" has already been opening space in their own lives. i don't
> think anyone could come to this work without having already done it
before.
> it would be completely un-understandable to them without prior
experience.
> i think people ask for training so they can do what they already know/do
> better. so i try to build on and from whatever understanding they bring.
>
> so this question of seven or more is not so easy for me. not sure it's
> even helpful. i'm more interested in questions like:
>
> 1. when did you first hear about os or ost?
> 2. what was the hook? how did you notice it might have value?
> 3. when did you notice that you'd started letting it inform how you live?
> 4. what has happened since then? what difference does it seem to make?
>
> and so on. a new game? the next round? maybe. or maybe it's just the
> game Murli called OSLIST back in 1996?
>
> michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> I have also stopped counting :-)
>> But love doing it whenever it?s possible.
>> :o)
>> Eva
>> Sweden
>>
>> B?sta h?lsningar
>>
>>
>> Eva P Svensson
>>
>>
>> *EPS Human Invest AB*
>> *Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc*
>> *Medlem i Beyond Performance Group*
>>
>>
>> *"Verksamhetsutveckling genom m?nniskor skapar l?ngsiktigt v?lm?ende
>> f?retag och organisationer"*
>>
>>
>> An?sbergsv?gen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
>> Bes?ksadress; Norra All?gatan 8, G?teborg
>> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
>> www.epshumaninvest.se
>> Skype: eva.p.svensson
>> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
>> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>>
>> *"Jag kan inte l?ra dig n?got. Allt jag kan g?ra ?r att st?lla fr?gor
>> till dig, och l?ta dig sj?lv finna svaren." Sokrates*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 13 dec 2014 kl. 18:05 skrev Gray via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>
>> Um...I've facilitated, at this point, a little over 60. Smallest was 8
>> people on Maui. Largest was about 375, in Chicago. Been doing it since
2007.
>>
>> And I say "um..." Because I am still learning, still figuring it out, and
>> still hear Lisa Heft in my head saying "be more invisible, Gray..."
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>>
>>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
>>> being reported!
>>>
>>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
>>> *explore....*
>>>
>>> So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call it
>>> the OST-7 Game:
>>>
>>>
>>> ========================================
>>> *The OST-7** Game*
>>> ========================================
>>>
>>> *The Goal:*
>>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated
>>> 7 or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the
depth
>>> of practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>>
>>> *The Rules:*
>>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
>>> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
>>> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your
hair
>>> color, etc
>>>
>>> *Tracking Progress:*
>>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, #
>>> of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
>>> absolutely any other measures you like
>>>
>>> *Play:*
>>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and
>>> prefer to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>>
>>> ========================================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>>
>>> - For this game, "OST" means something like this:
>>> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>>> - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
>>> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>>> - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the
>>> thread stays together, under the same subject
>>>
>>>
>>> Steps to Play:
>>>
>>> - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>>> - Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like
>>> to say
>>>
>>>
>>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>>
>>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>>
>>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the
>>> Agile Manager.
>>>
>>> Explore Agile Team Training
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>>>
>>> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>
>>> Community.
>>>
>>
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 12:59:56 -0800
From: Peggy Holman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Open Listserv <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
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Michael,
Thanks for the reframing. It reminds me of a question that informed the
stewards of Spirited Work, an Open Space learning community that met in OS 4
times a year for 7 years: What does it mean to live one?s life in Open
Space? Living in that question has been and continues to be a journey!
I?ve never counted the number of times I?ve walked the circle, formally
opening space. My first experience with OST was in 1994 and since then, I?ve
worked with groups as small as 5 and as large as 2,100 from all different
sectors ? business, government, nonprofit, community and on 5 continents. I
know there?s no way I would have had to courage to run an OS with 1,800
street kids and 300 teachers in Bogota, Colombia in a language I don?t speak
if it hadn?t been for the deep learning that came from years of being on
this list!!
Daniel?s question had me reflecting on the path I?ve traveled as part of
this community. Your gift of openspaceworld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/>
gave us an early presence on the web. That was and is huge. Some of my
activities, done, as you noted, because I felt inspired to do them:
1995 Produced U S WEST Open Space Video. At Harrison?s suggestion, produced
a video about a 250-ish person OS at U S WEST Communications in Arizona.
It?s now on Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/25251316 <http://vimeo.com/25251316>.
When we made it, 16 minutes was considered short!
1996 Co-founded Open Space Institute-US. I was one of seven at a gathering
with Harrison in Seattle. It was part of a larger vision of OSIs around the
world. Brian Bainbridge took the lead in Australia and Larry Peterson,
Birgitt Williams, and Diane Gibeault (I think) did the same in Canada.
1996 Involved with starting the OS listserv. Part of the original dozen or
so folks who joined this list that Murli Nagasandurum set up for us, a
spontaneous act of generosity prompted by a message we sent out to everyone
on Harrison?s emailing list when we were getting OSI-US going.
1998 Co-hosted the 6th annual OSonOS in Monterrey, California. Right after
the first not done by Harrison held in Toronto hosted by Birgitt Williams
and Larry Peterson and right before Chicago, hosted by Michael Hermann,
which was the last before it left North America for Berlin, hosted by
Michael M Pannwitz.
1999 Produced Understanding Open Space. I put a mike on Harrison during an
OST workshop we co-hosted in Seattle and produced a 5-CD audio set called
Understanding Open Space. Harold Shinsato has turned it into a series of
podcasts. He?ll have to provide the details on how to access it. Those who
have heard it say it?s a treat! (My personal favorite line is the very last
thing he says on the last track. How?s that for a teaser?)
I look at those dates and wonder where did the time go? It all was so long
ago! Yet people who are nearest and dearest to me are people I have met
through the years in this community. As quiet as I?ve been in the last few
years, I still consider this community a home base.
I?m better because of OSlist. And because of the people I?ve come to love
along the way.
Peggy
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> On Dec 14, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Michael Herman via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> i woke up this morning thinking about this game, thinking in a direction
similar to paul levy.
>
> i am the nominal leader of a community garden now for four years. my
management is deeply informed by my learning in and about open space. does
it count as 1 or 4?
>
> i once had a client who flew me in to facilitate a meeting. we also built
a weblog and they contacted me a number of times, over several years, with
minor technical questions. do the meeting and the blog count as one
together, or two separate?
>
> i taught my grandma to say "ah," as she began the active process of dying.
she then repeated that seed syllable, a one-syllable mantra for peace, on
every breath of her last week of life. she never opened her eyes but over
that week completely relaxed her whole body. was that open space? what
about up all night rocking a tiny, sick, neice?
>
> i saw some new neighbors moving in the other day. our neighborhood has a
lot of old houses and everybody moves in and starts updating everything. i
offered my tools and experience. if they never take me up on that
offer/invitation, does it count? what if they just look for me at my desk
in our front window, and wave when they see me, while out walking their dog?
that could happen a lot. must count as only once? or maybe it doesn't
count at all?
>
> what about three opening briefings, on three consecutive days of open
space trainings i've done? and what about all the things that happen after
an event, does the original opener get partial credit for things his/her
participants open later on?
>
> to paul's point, i can ask questions like this about almost every
situation where i facilitated a meeting in an open space way, and about many
other situations where i was not "facilitating" anything, apparently. this
is one of the ways i understand that we live in open space.
>
> my approach to training folks in and about open space is significantly
focused on the crafting of invitations, in the belief that if we make enough
invitations, over time, people, groups and good work are going to show up.
>
> i also focus on discovering all the different ways that whomever i'm
"training" has already been opening space in their own lives. i don't think
anyone could come to this work without having already done it before. it
would be completely un-understandable to them without prior experience. i
think people ask for training so they can do what they already know/do
better. so i try to build on and from whatever understanding they bring.
>
> so this question of seven or more is not so easy for me. not sure it's
even helpful. i'm more interested in questions like:
>
> 1. when did you first hear about os or ost?
> 2. what was the hook? how did you notice it might have value?
> 3. when did you notice that you'd started letting it inform how you live?
> 4. what has happened since then? what difference does it seem to make?
>
> and so on. a new game? the next round? maybe. or maybe it's just the
game Murli called OSLIST back in 1996?
>
> michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> http://MichaelHerman.com <http://michaelherman.com/>
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
wrote:
> I have also stopped counting :-)
> But love doing it whenever it?s possible.
> :o)
> Eva
> Sweden
>
> B?sta h?lsningar
>
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>> 13 dec 2014 kl. 18:05 skrev Gray via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>:
>>
>> Um...I've facilitated, at this point, a little over 60. Smallest was 8
people on Maui. Largest was about 375, in Chicago. Been doing it since 2007.
>>
>> And I say "um..." Because I am still learning, still figuring it out, and
still hear Lisa Heft in my head saying "be more invisible, Gray..."
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>
>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
being reported!
>>
>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
explore....
>>
>> So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it the
OST-7 Game:
>>
>>
>> ========================================
>> The OST-7 Game
>> ========================================
>>
>> The Goal:
>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of
practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>
>> The Rules:
>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
"hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
color, etc
>>
>> Tracking Progress:
>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, #
of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
absolutely any other measures you like
>>
>> Play:
>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>
>> ========================================
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> For this game, "OST" means something like this:
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
<http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm>
>> This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've Facilitated at
least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>> Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread stays
together, under the same subject
>>
>> Steps to Play:
>> Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>> Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to say
>>
>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>
>> Daniel
>>
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From: ingrid ebeling ebus via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
To: Peggy Holman <peggy at peggyholman.com>, World wide Open Space
Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Subject: Re: [OSList] How do we define LURKER?
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I feel like an ?active reader? and like a lurker alternately.
Ingrid
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Am 14.12.2014 um 20:59 schrieb Peggy Holman via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
> I have played with the term "active readers" rather than lurkers. Has a
different tone.
>
>
> The compulsive historian in me wants to mention that in November, 2009, a
message called Roll Call: Present was sent by Erik Fabian (who contributed
about 15 messages from June to November of that year.) He asked people just
to respond with a ?present?. While he used the term lurkers, he included in
a larger framing (below).
>
> By his count, it brought 100+ responses, similar in tone to those
responding now. Ironically, Erik?s reflections on the roll call (also below)
was his last message to the list.
>
>
> appreciatively,
> Peggy
>
>
> ROLL CALL: PRESENT
>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 1:13 AM, Erik Fabian <erik at DOUBLEHAPPINESSNYC.COM>
wrote:
>>
>> I was intrigued by Phelim's observation that the OSLIST, not being a
physical space, lacks the
>> information that comes from people sitting silent or choosing to leave.
>>
>> I invite the many folks, the lurkers, the newbies, the old hands, the
folks with better things to do,
>> anyone really...to respond to this message with a "present" if you would
like to be noted as attending
>> to this virtual space.
>>
>> I know it won't solve the exiting problem but it might perhaps give a
sense of scale to the ratio of
>> talkers to the silent.
>>
>> Erik - present
>>
>> *
>>
>
>
> REFLECTING ON THE ROLL CALL
>
>> On Nov 29, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Erik Fabian <erik at DOUBLEHAPPINESSNYC.COM>
wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> 1st thing: I don't mean to stop the Roll Call if folks would still like
to chime in. Feel welcome.
>>
>> 2nd: I was quite struck by the 100+ voices that have called present so
far in the Roll Call. Your
>> responses reoriented my sense of scale on this list and created a
fascinating moment where I
>> didn't know what was going to happen next...I felt like I watching a
filibuster or something.
>>
>> I was also struck by the sense of willingness to continue to be present
in this OSLIST conversation
>> despite disagreements, other options, shyness, busy lives, etc. That felt
like some kind of bedrock
>> to me.
>>
>> The momentum has slowed and the thread has mixed back into the stream of
multiple
>> conversations on the list. I have also started to hear some reflection
from Michael (here:
>> http://tinyurl.com/ygupaax) & Harold (here: http://tinyurl.com/ykx3scs)
and so it seems
>> appropriate to put out a broader invitation to reflect on the Roll Call.
>>
>> I suppose I should say, I viewed the Roll Call responses in the context
of a couple weeks of debate
>> about OS, where the online OS community should find its home, differing
values around online
>> communication styles, and thoughts about OS and change.
>>
>> Peggy asked an interesting question recently: How do the Open Space
principles help us both
>> support and resist change and what does that mean for the evolution of
OST and opening space?
>> (http://tinyurl.com/yzg8nh9)
>>
>> So I invite anyone, anyone who was present or silently sat aside, who
would like to reflect on the
>> Roll Call to feel welcome to do so, and to perhaps consider the Roll Call
in the light of recent
>> debates on this list or Peggy's question about change and the future of
OS.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Erik
>>
>> *
> *
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>> On Dec 11, 2014, at 10:23 AM, openspacedk1 via OSList
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>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Given we are a community working with open space,
>>
>> therefore able or learning to be absolutely present
>> and absolutely invisible
>>
>> isn't what we see the only thing that could happen ?
>>
>>
>> Greetings Gerard, Denmark
>>
>>
>>
>> ichael Herman via OSList skrev den 2014-12-11 17:08:
>>> Perhaps a bit of conflict in the definition, as it seems to say that
>>> listening isn't active participation.
>>> My working definition for leadership, in any field, is practice made
>>> visible. Maybe visible is useful in place of active.
>>> Yes, this suggests a distinction between lurkers and leaders, but it
>>> also allows for the definition of leader and our leadership ranks here
>>> to expand.
>>> I have been very visible here in the past but less so in recent years.
>>> Reading most everything, but not so visible.
>>> I think every single posting leads some us somewhere, even if those
>>> places aren't so obvious.
>>> Enjoying seeing so many familiar names mixed in with new ones.
>>> Michael
>>> On Thursday, December 11, 2014, Daniel Mezick via OSList
>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>> In the game, as described, the definition of [lurker] is clear:
>>>> "...someone who examines these OSLIST threads periodically but does
>>>> not actively participate."
>>>> The definition is purposefully loose, so anyone can self-identify
>>>> with it, and optionally play the game.
>>>> Daniel
>>>> On 12/11/14 9:32 AM, Carmela Ariza via OSList wrote:
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> It is very interesting - that asking who are lurkers - encouraged
>>>>> the lurkers to come out and write a few sentences...
>>>>> I am curious - how do we really define LURKERS?
>>>>> Would love to listen to your thoughts on this....
>>>>> Carms
>>>>> True happiness is a state of mind.
>>>>> Happiness is not a consequence of things that happen.
>>>>> Do not pursue happiness - practice it.
>>>>> Sing, even if you do not sound good.
>>>>> Smile, even when things go wrong.
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