[OSList] (was) Open Space in schools - now: OST boundaries? constraints?
Suzanne Daigle
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Mon Sep 30 13:09:25 PDT 2013
Nice seems really nice to me! Thank you! Suzanne
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
> No problem Dan. I can’t tell you why other people mention them, but my
> reason is a simple one. It’s a nice thing to do. It all goes with the
> Invitation... ****
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> So – were I to invite you to my birthday party I could simply say “Come
> for my B’day 12/2/13 at noon, Inn at Glen Echo.” That has all the essential
> information, but it is a little bit abrupt. It might be nice to give some
> hint about what could happen – just to peak your interest and make you feel
> more at comfortable. Maybe something about fabulous guests, surprising
> happenings, total freedom to enjoy...to say nothing of Martinis!****
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> So with the 5 Principles and the Law. They were in fact generated by
> simple observation. Over the years, and indeed from the beginning, they
> always seemed to happen. Even when they weren’t expected. And I am totally
> convinced that they would still show up if never mentioned. They don’t
> created the openness of the space – they simply acknowledge it. So why even
> mention them? It’s a nice thing to do. And once mentioned people get rather
> attached to them. I’ve tried to get away with silence, and have been pulled
> up short every time...****
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> So what to do? Just be nice J****
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> oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Mezick
> *Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2013 1:31 PM
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> I request help and guidance. Will you help me understand the rule of the
> Open Space meeting format?
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> If the 1 law & the 4/5 principles are natural and self-evident, I am
> confused about the need to mention them whatsoever.
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> If the 1 law and the 4/5 principles are not natural and not self-evident,
> I am confused about how mentioning them is optional.
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> The 1 "law" (quotes) and "4/5 principles" (quotes again) are either
> self-evident, or they are not. I wonder which is the reality.
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> See also:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law
> http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_rights
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> On 9/30/13 8:05 AM, Harrison Owen wrote:****
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> Dan – I have to agree with Lisa. As said multiple times before, the 5
> principles and the Law are descriptive and not prescriptive. Or at least
> that is the way they popped into my head: simple observations of what was
> transpiring, as opposed to directions concerning what should be taking
> place. I have always said “Principles” and “Law” with a smile, because if
> you really think about it, they are neither (principle or law). More like,
> “funny things that happen on the way to the future.” There is an essential
> humor, sense of fun in Open Space – and if we ever lose it, we begin to
> take things much too seriously L I call it High Play.****
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> *On Behalf Of *Lisa Heft
> *Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2013 3:22 AM
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> constraints?****
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> Dan - I have taken the liberty of adjusting the title of this topic to
> more closely fit the changed content.****
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> And: I look forward to hearing how others respond…****
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> 1/ I see the Law and Principles and *invitations* not as constraints.****
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> 2/ And not 'required' as in - some of us do not use the 5th Principle at
> all. However, the saying, inviting and simple explanation of these
> invitations help to create the structure (as there is a structure, just not
> the structure that a lot of people have experienced in meetings) / to
> create the container. What I mean by that is that I have observed that to
> not offer the invitation of the principles and law (even in a group of
> people who completely know and do Open Space) is not inviting presence and
> possibility in the same way. So different dynamics then occur.****
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> And in saying that offering these invitations and explaining this process
> help to create the container, I mean a living, breathing, nutrient-rich
> container, perhaps similar to some containers like cellular walls, a bird's
> nest, a lake, a poem, or a wisp of vapor… which have some form within which
> there is flow. ****
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> 3/ I notice that some super-good OST facilitators can use more words to
> explain things, and some use less. And the experience can be amazing. In my
> observation, it is not the amount of words, it is the complete true
> understanding of inviting Opening Circle and agenda co-creation (which
> include a brief explanation of principles and law and process), and getting
> / staying out of the way so the participants can do their own work, see
> their own patterns, feel their own co-leadership, and so on. ****
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> What do others think?****
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> Lisa****
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> On Sep 29, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net> wrote:***
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> Lisa says:
> "...****
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> The other thing is that for any kind of facilitation, I would not name
> boundaries or constraints. It sets peoples' minds in the framework of
> boundaries and constraints - rather than opportunities and possibilities.*
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> Like 'think outside the box' - you are still thinking…of the box! when /
> because someone says that. "
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> Dan says:
> I notice that:
> 1/ the 1 Law and 5 Principles of OST are constraints-in-fact. Are they
> not?
> 2/ we are required to describe these as OST Facilitators; at least,
> according to the OST Guide. Right?
> 3/ the general idea for the Facilitator is, "the less said the better".
> No?
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> I think OST is a most wonderful game.
> http://newtechusa.net/agile/how-games-deliver-happiness-learning/
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