[OSList] The OST Game

[Daniel Mezick]

A wonderful conversation in the works...my replies appear below...

On 10/24/13 1:29 PM, Jenifer Toksvig wrote:
> Re: [OSList] The OST Game Dan wrote: >> Consider the man who loves a 
> certain woman, and waits for the current trend of her interest in him 
> to change. He is goal seeking without controlling. Likewise, 
> trend-following market traders do not attempt to create, control or 
> make trends. They simply identify & ride them, while seeking wealth. <<
>
> Waiting and seeking are still forms of controlling. 
Yes, they are forms of governing one self. Actually, this is a very 
narrow and focused form of control: control of one's self. We often 
refer to this as 'discipline', which is distinct from the more general 
word 'control'. Self-discipline vs. attempted control of others, if you 
will.
> Your loving man has chosen to wait for his goal rather than (to coin a 
> phrase) being prepared to be surprised by another woman. 
The man in the hypothetical situation has a current goal, which is to be 
in relationship with a certain woman. He watches and follows the trend 
of her interest. This does not mean he is blind to what the wider 
environment might be offering now.
> He may not be trying to control her, but he's still trying to control 
> the situation in a way that he thinks will allow him to achieve his goal.
It sounds like 'the situation' you mention above is: "him or her self." 
That's discipline of self, not control of others.
>
> Those who seek wealth do likewise: they don't randomly ride the 
> trends, they identify them and make choices about how to ride them, in 
> order to obtain wealth. That is control.
Um, if you mean control of one's responses, if you mean self-goverance, 
self-discipline then yes. Controlling one self is generally a good idea, 
is it not?
>
> I don't think it's possible to be goal-oriented and try to exert some 
> kind of control over the process, unless your goal is... to have no goal.
I think you mean
"...I don't think it's possible to be goal-oriented and NOT try to exert 
some kind of control over the process.."

If that's the case, I agree 100% goal-oriented requires self-control, 
aka "discipline". Trend-trading markets traders without discipline 
routinely lose money. Individuals without self-control routinely create 
problems for themselves.
> Actually, even being prepared to be surprised is a goal. A sort of 
> wonderfully ridiculous one.
Yes, and the statement itself is: directive. Wait, whats that doing in OST?
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