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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/24/13 1:29 PM, Jenifer Toksvig
wrote:<br>
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<font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12pt">Dan wrote:
>> Consider the man who loves a certain woman, and waits
for the current trend of her interest in him to change. He is
goal seeking without controlling. Likewise, trend-following
market traders do not attempt to create, control or make
trends. They simply identify & ride them, while seeking
wealth. <<<br>
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Waiting and seeking are still forms of controlling. </span></font></blockquote>
<font face="Arial">Yes, they are forms of governing one self.
Actually, this is a very narrow and focused form of control:
control of one's self. We often refer to this as 'discipline',
which is distinct from the more general word 'control'</font>.
Self-discipline vs. attempted control of others, if you will. <br>
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cite="mid:CE8F1773.214C7%25never@acompletelossforwords.com"
type="cite"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12pt">Your
loving man has chosen to wait for his goal rather than (to
coin a phrase) being prepared to be surprised by another
woman. </span></font></blockquote>
<font face="Arial">The man in the hypothetical situation has a
current goal, which is to be in relationship with a certain woman.
He watches and follows the trend of her interest. This does not
mean he is blind to what the wider environment might be offering
now. </font><br>
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cite="mid:CE8F1773.214C7%25never@acompletelossforwords.com"
type="cite"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12pt">He may
not be trying to control her, but he’s still trying to control
the situation in a way that he thinks will allow him to
achieve his goal.<br>
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<font face="Arial">It sounds like 'the situation' you mention above
is: "him or her self." That's discipline of self, not control of
others. </font><br>
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Those who seek wealth do likewise: they don’t randomly ride
the trends, they identify them and make choices about how to
ride them, in order to obtain wealth. That is control.<br>
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<font face="Arial">Um, if you mean control of one's responses, if
you mean self-goverance, self-discipline then yes. Controlling one
self is generally a good idea, is it not?</font><br>
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I don’t think it’s possible to be goal-oriented and try to
exert some kind of control over the process, unless your goal
is… to have no goal.</span></font></blockquote>
<font face="Arial">I think you mean </font><br>
<font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12pt">"...I don’t think
it’s possible to be goal-oriented and NOT try to exert some kind
of control over the process</span></font>.." <br>
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If that's the case, I agree 100% goal-oriented requires
self-control, aka "discipline". Trend-trading markets traders
without discipline routinely lose money. Individuals without
self-control routinely create problems for themselves. <br>
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cite="mid:CE8F1773.214C7%25never@acompletelossforwords.com"
type="cite"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12pt">
Actually, even being prepared to be surprised is a goal. A
sort of wonderfully ridiculous one.<br>
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Yes, and the statement itself is: directive. Wait, whats that doing
in OST?<br>
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