[OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours

Michael M Pannwitz mmpannwitz at gmail.com
Sat Jul 13 02:53:32 PDT 2013


... attache the design in 2003
mmp

On 13.07.2013 00:47, Chris Corrigan wrote:
> Michael, would you really go with three 45 minutes sessions for 1000
> people?  It takes something like that amount of time just for people to
> find the next session and get settled.  By the time the convener starts
> their topic, it's going to be time to move again...
>
> The biggest challenge with large groups is the amount of time it takes
> to move and the amount of space you need to allow people to peruse the
> bullentin board and make choices.  It is very hard for 1000 people to
> read what has been written and posted on handwritten sheets of paper.
>   Think about holding up a piece of paper with a topic written on it in
> front of 1000 people.  How long do you think it will take for them all
> to get a chance to read it?  the flip side, as Michael points out is
> that with 1000 people you could well have 200-300 sessions proposed.
>   that means you need up to 150 breakout spaces available, which is a
> big ask for any facility.  And with even 200 topics proposed, and each
> convener taking 30 seconds to pitch their session, you have 100 minutes
> of presentation, with A LOT of noise in the room before you even get to
> the part where 1000 people go to the wall and look at their topics...so
> all of that is very real and needs very careful planning and
> consideration.  And you need adequate time and space.
>
> I think doing this in a half day is ambitious enough...with three
> sessions of 45 minutes I would highly doubt whether people will a) have
> satisfying conversations and b) get a feeling for the power of
> self-organization.  With enough time and space, I believe that any group
> of any size can experience Open Space Technology and really get it.  But
> you need to scale it appropriately in order for it to be a rich enough
> experience and a useful tool.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring
> <adriana at diazberrio.com <mailto:adriana at diazberrio.com>> wrote:
>
>     Sharon: I think that this OS will be a very interesting experiment
>     and that what will be very  good is that people will have some
>     exposure to this approach and they will like it so they can think
>     about using it in other places in other moments to.
>     Of course this will be very big and short for the amount of people
>     but long enought to make them feel the wisdom and the power of self
>     organising systems in action!
>     I hope you have several people helping you setting the place the day
>     before!
>
>     Adriana
>
>     2013/7/12 lucia pavia Ticzon <living.systems.org.luch at gmail.com
>     <mailto:living.systems.org.luch at gmail.com>>
>
>         ONward, sis
>
>
>
>         On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Sharon Joy Chao
>         <sharon at seameo-innotech.org <mailto:sharon at seameo-innotech.org>>
>         wrote:
>
>             Its overwhelming reading through all the exchanges and good
>             intentions my request has generated. I read  each mail and
>             can't help but smile at the treasure trove of ideas.
>
>             First off, the 1,000 participants in 4 hours, is definitely
>             pushing through in Cebu. As its a big event, theres a team
>             that's helping me and  doing much of the pre work on the
>             ground. The venue is a huge hotel ballroom enough to
>             accommodate over 2,000 so space is not much of a worry. I
>             was shown pictures, the ballroom is squarish with high
>             ceiling.  Now here's the catch, initially we thought of
>             deploying balloons much like how Michael has done in Germany
>             some years back. But the hotel won't allow balloons inside
>             the hall, and also do not permit sticking anything on the
>             wall. So, we are left with following options: either to use
>             the laundry line complete with laundry clips or placards,
>             which can be raised for people to see.
>
>             I like the suggestion of Chris, as its something I can use
>             to close the circle. Some tweaking so it reads like
>             this..."what did we learn in this open space gathering and
>             what do we need to do to support the momentum?" Of course I
>             still need to work with  Civil Service people to make sense
>             of the results and also to post the same question to them.
>
>             Btw, this OST event happens within a two-day symposium on
>             Performance Management System. And Harrison is right, there
>             are tons of speakers on day 1, day 2 starts with open space
>             in the morning. The big question paused to them is
>             this: What bold steps can we take to create a truly
>             essential, energizing and responsive performance management
>             system? Additional speakers take over in the afternoon
>             mainly for government pronouncements.
>
>             The participants are government HR, OD and planning people,
>             local government and some private sector representatives.
>             There might not be that much exposure for deep engagement,
>             but I'd still take this assignment anytime.
>
>             To touch base with as many government agencies and be able
>             to open the discussion on performance management; to have
>             this engagement even for just  four hours and get government
>             to seriously consider the kind of system that gives life to
>             the service...these are enough incentives for me to accept
>             the assignment.
>
>              From the practice of open space I learn to adopt a
>             beginner's mind, one that's open to possibility, a don't
>             know mind, this coupled with the practice of quieting the
>             mind, prepares me to gracefully enter the circle. I pray
>             for humility to open the circle, and strength to step aside
>             once the circle is open. And yes, 15 min is enough time to
>             set the space.
>
>             The program, thanks to your suggestions is more
>             streamlined...one hour opening/issue generation; two one-
>             hour sessions and another hour for closing the circle.
>
>             I truly can't thank everyone enough. Sending my love to
>             Harrison, Lisa and Franklin, and all those who are kind
>             enough to play through the configuration of 1,000 under 4
>             hours. I'll get back to you and share how it goes. That
>             would be something to look forward to :)
>
>             Metta,
>             Sharon Joy
>
>
>             Sent from my iPad
>
>             On Jul 12, 2013, at 4:06 AM,
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>>                 1. Re: 1,000 participants in 4 hours (Scott Gassman)
>>                 2. Re: 1,000 participants in 4 hours (Harrison Owen)
>>                 3. Re: 1,000 participants in 4 hours (Chris Corrigan)
>>                 4. Re: 1,000 participants in 4 hours (Scott Gassman)
>>                 5. Re: 1,000 participants in 4 hours (K?ri Gunnarsson)
>>                 6. Re: 1,000 participants in 4 hours (Michael M Pannwitz)
>>                 7. open space in jeeps (K?ri Gunnarsson)
>>                 8. Re: open space in jeeps (gerardo de luzenberger)
>>                 9. Re: open space in jeeps (K?ri Gunnarsson)
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>>                 10. Re: 1,000 participants in 4 hours (Harrison Owen)
>>                 11. Re: open space in jeeps (Lise Damkj?r)
>>                 12. Re: 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>                 (chunili2000 at yahoo.com <mailto:chunili2000 at yahoo.com>)
>>                 13. Re: 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>                     (Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring)
>>
>>             ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>             Message: 1
>>             Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 17:00:37 -0400
>>             From: Scott Gassman <scott.gassman at gmail.com
>>             <mailto:scott.gassman at gmail.com>>
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>>             Hi Harrison,
>>
>>             Glad you responded, Sharon gets to think deeper about how
>>             to proceed and be
>>             hopefully clearer about her design decisions.
>>             I clearly hear "get out of the way quickly," and the
>>             authenticity of how
>>             you have lived/practiced OpenSpace. I love it when I do it.
>>             Not all of us have your confidence, clarity or competence
>>             in all situations
>>             to trust ourselves, in an organization we may live/work in
>>             and/or the
>>             process in a room potentially filled with bureaucrats,
>>             whose shadow can
>>             slow down the speed of large group movement.
>>             Whether my approach is a cop out to the OS process, my
>>             Kathie Dannemiller
>>             lessons about Design Teams has helped me to usually make
>>             the process
>>             consciously the participants' process.
>>
>>             Scott
>>
>>             On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Harrison Owen
>>             <hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>
>>             > Scott ? I guess I really have a different take. I have
>>             never seen any
>>             > reason to ?plant? topics, or emplace ?spark plugs.? In
>>             every situation with
>>             > large groups in my experience (my largest was 2108 J) ?
>>             the people do it
>>             > all by themselves, just like usual. If anything the
>>             action is faster, and
>>             > more furious with a large group. Once it rolls, it
>>             really rolls. You just
>>             > got to get out of the way quickly ? which is why I would
>>             make sure the
>>             > opening was fast and sweet. Once person (facilitator)
>>             only ? and on with
>>             > the show! Of course the ?necessary conditions? must be
>>             in place (real
>>             > business issue, complexity, diversity, passion,
>>             conflict, urgency) ? and
>>             > from there on out the only thing you need to do is sit
>>             in a circle, create
>>             > bulletin board, open market place ? and go to work.
>>             Nothing else needed.**
>>             > **
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
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>>             > *Subject:* Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > Hi Sharon Joy,****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > Thanks for sharing your opportunity and provoking our
>>             experience and
>>             > imagination.****
>>             >
>>             > Lisa has given you great tips, great food for thought.
>>             For me the joy of a
>>             > laid back ****
>>             >
>>             > OS alters when I must manage tighter time frames, larger
>>             numbers and
>>             > logistics. I ****
>>             >
>>             > want people to see what they can get done when they are
>>             focused and led
>>             > through ****
>>             >
>>             > well planned OS tasks. ****
>>             >
>>             > I think about the outcome/purpose the client/group wants
>>             to walk away
>>             > with. I try to ****
>>             >
>>             > get clear on their goal(s)/desired outcomes. I am fond
>>             of design teams
>>             > preceding ****
>>             >
>>             > any large group initiative. I would bring together 5 to
>>             10 vertically
>>             > positioned ****
>>             >
>>             > influencers as soon as possible and preceding the get
>>             together and confirm
>>             > sought ****
>>             >
>>             > desired outcomes, I would then ask them to brainstorm a
>>             list of important
>>             > topics****
>>             >
>>             > for this conversation and to rework the list into a
>>             vital few examples. I
>>             > would also ****
>>             >
>>             > encourage this group to recognize the significance of
>>             their role and to
>>             > serve as ****
>>             >
>>             > spark plugs to get the large group moving forward.****
>>             >
>>             > However the session is opened, I would include a design
>>             team member or two
>>             > to share their ****
>>             >
>>             > hopes and aspirations for this meeting, and to briefly
>>             share the list of
>>             > topics as examples ****
>>             >
>>             > for the 1,000 others to raise what matters most to them
>>             per the "high
>>             > performance ****
>>             >
>>             > system"sought.****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > This is a great opportunity for your government to work
>>             together.****
>>             >
>>             > I also look forward to learning about your experience
>>             and next steps.****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > Scott Gassman****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Sharon Joy Chao <
>>             > sharon at seameo-innotech.org
>>             <mailto:sharon at seameo-innotech.org>> wrote:****
>>             >
>>             > Need to figure a way of convening a thousand government
>>             people to go
>>             > through an exploratory discussion on high performance
>>             system, all under 4
>>             > hours.
>>             >
>>             > This happens next week down south in the city of Cebu.
>>             The focus is on the
>>             > Philippine government service, its performance
>>             management system and how it
>>             > can be truly essential, responsive and life-giving.
>>             >
>>             > Gail West, my OS mentor friend, has provided me with
>>             some incredible
>>             > suggestions on how to proceed and she also advised me to
>>             post on OSList.
>>             >
>>             > Any thoughts on how best to proceed with a cast of
>>             thousand in 4 hours
>>             > time?
>>             >
>>             > Maraming Salamat.
>>             >
>>             > ========================================
>>             > Sharon Joy Berlin Chao
>>             > SEAMEO INNOTECH
>>             > Commonwealth Avenue, U.P. Diliman, Quezon City
>>             > Metro Manila 1101 Philippines
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>>             > Fax (632) 928-7692
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>>             Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:06:55 -0400
>>             From: "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net
>>             <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>>
>>             To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'"
>>             <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
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>>             Subject: Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
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>>             Scott said - "Not all of us have your (that's me - HO)
>>             confidence, clarity
>>             or competence in all situations to trust ourselves, in an
>>             organization we
>>             may live/work in and/or the process in a room potentially
>>             filled with
>>             bureaucrats, whose shadow can slow down the speed of large
>>             group movement."
>>
>>
>>
>>             Nice words, Scott - but once again I have a different
>>             take. Truth is I have
>>             ZERO confidence, to say nothing of clarity, in my
>>             "competence in all
>>             situations to trust (my)ourselves, in an organization we
>>             may live/work in
>>             and/or the process in a room potentially filled with
>>             bureaucrats, whose
>>             shadow can slow down the speed of large group movement."
>>             Quite to the
>>             contrary,  I know totally and completely that I will NEVER
>>             have a real clue
>>             about what is going on. Too complex, inter-related, fast
>>             moving, opaque...
>>             BUT the people do. My only responsibility (possibility) is
>>             to invite them to
>>             do what only they know how to do - and then, as quickly as
>>             possible, get out
>>             of the way. Usually to take a napJ
>>
>>
>>
>>             And Kathie Dannemiller was a special person and a friend.
>>             I respect her
>>             greatly. And... somebody once asked her why, given what
>>             she did, she didn't
>>             use Open Space. Her reply, as I heard it, was - "I'd be
>>             terrified ... it
>>             could get out of control." The big secret, of course, was
>>             that she (as we
>>             all are) was always out of control - so there was nothing
>>             to lose.
>>
>>             Harrison
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             Harrison Owen
>>
>>             7808 River Falls Dr.
>>
>>             Potomac, MD 20854
>>
>>             USA
>>
>>
>>
>>             189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
>>
>>             Camden, Maine 04843
>>
>>
>>
>>             Phone 301-365-2093 <tel:301-365-2093>
>>
>>             (summer) 207-763-3261 <tel:207-763-3261>
>>
>>
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>>             From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>             [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf
>>             Of Scott Gassman
>>             Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 5:01 PM
>>             To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             Subject: Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>
>>
>>
>>             Hi Harrison,
>>
>>
>>
>>             Glad you responded, Sharon gets to think deeper about how
>>             to proceed and be
>>             hopefully clearer about her design decisions.
>>
>>             I clearly hear "get out of the way quickly," and the
>>             authenticity of how you
>>             have lived/practiced OpenSpace. I love it when I do it.
>>
>>             Not all of us have your confidence, clarity or competence
>>             in all situations
>>             to trust ourselves, in an organization we may live/work in
>>             and/or the
>>             process in a room potentially filled with bureaucrats,
>>             whose shadow can slow
>>             down the speed of large group movement.
>>
>>             Whether my approach is a cop out to the OS process, my
>>             Kathie Dannemiller
>>             lessons about Design Teams has helped me to usually make
>>             the process
>>             consciously the participants' process.
>>
>>
>>
>>             Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>             On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Harrison Owen
>>             <hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>
>>             Scott - I guess I really have a different take. I have
>>             never seen any reason
>>             to "plant" topics, or emplace "spark plugs." In every
>>             situation with large
>>             groups in my experience (my largest was 2108 J) - the
>>             people do it all by
>>             themselves, just like usual. If anything the action is
>>             faster, and more
>>             furious with a large group. Once it rolls, it really
>>             rolls. You just got to
>>             get out of the way quickly - which is why I would make
>>             sure the opening was
>>             fast and sweet. Once person (facilitator) only - and on
>>             with the show! Of
>>             course the "necessary conditions" must be in place (real
>>             business issue,
>>             complexity, diversity, passion, conflict, urgency) - and
>>             from there on out
>>             the only thing you need to do is sit in a circle, create
>>             bulletin board,
>>             open market place - and go to work. Nothing else needed.
>>
>>
>>
>>             Harrison
>>
>>
>>
>>             Harrison Owen
>>
>>             7808 River Falls Dr.
>>
>>             Potomac, MD 20854
>>
>>             USA
>>
>>
>>
>>             189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
>>
>>             Camden, Maine 04843
>>
>>
>>
>>             Phone 301-365-2093 <tel:301-365-2093>
>>
>>             (summer) 207-763-3261 <tel:207-763-3261>
>>
>>
>>
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>>             [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf
>>             Of Scott Gassman
>>             Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:13 AM
>>             To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             Subject: Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>
>>
>>
>>             Hi Sharon Joy,
>>
>>
>>
>>             Thanks for sharing your opportunity and provoking our
>>             experience and
>>             imagination.
>>
>>             Lisa has given you great tips, great food for thought. For
>>             me the joy of a
>>             laid back
>>
>>             OS alters when I must manage tighter time frames, larger
>>             numbers and
>>             logistics. I
>>
>>             want people to see what they can get done when they are
>>             focused and led
>>             through
>>
>>             well planned OS tasks.
>>
>>             I think about the outcome/purpose the client/group wants
>>             to walk away with.
>>             I try to
>>
>>             get clear on their goal(s)/desired outcomes. I am fond of
>>             design teams
>>             preceding
>>
>>             any large group initiative. I would bring together 5 to 10
>>             vertically
>>             positioned
>>
>>             influencers as soon as possible and preceding the get
>>             together and confirm
>>             sought
>>
>>             desired outcomes, I would then ask them to brainstorm a
>>             list of important
>>             topics
>>
>>             for this conversation and to rework the list into a vital
>>             few examples. I
>>             would also
>>
>>             encourage this group to recognize the significance of
>>             their role and to
>>             serve as
>>
>>             spark plugs to get the large group moving forward.
>>
>>             However the session is opened, I would include a design
>>             team member or two
>>             to share their
>>
>>             hopes and aspirations for this meeting, and to briefly
>>             share the list of
>>             topics as examples
>>
>>             for the 1,000 others to raise what matters most to them
>>             per the "high
>>             performance
>>
>>             system"sought.
>>
>>
>>
>>             This is a great opportunity for your government to work
>>             together.
>>
>>             I also look forward to learning about your experience and
>>             next steps.
>>
>>
>>
>>             Scott Gassman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Sharon Joy Chao
>>             <sharon at seameo-innotech.org
>>             <mailto:sharon at seameo-innotech.org>>
>>             wrote:
>>
>>             Need to figure a way of convening a thousand government
>>             people to go through
>>             an exploratory discussion on high performance system, all
>>             under 4 hours.
>>
>>             This happens next week down south in the city of Cebu. The
>>             focus is on the
>>             Philippine government service, its performance management
>>             system and how it
>>             can be truly essential, responsive and life-giving.
>>
>>             Gail West, my OS mentor friend, has provided me with some
>>             incredible
>>             suggestions on how to proceed and she also advised me to
>>             post on OSList.
>>
>>             Any thoughts on how best to proceed with a cast of
>>             thousand in 4 hours time?
>>
>>
>>             Maraming Salamat.
>>
>>             ========================================
>>             Sharon Joy Berlin Chao
>>             SEAMEO INNOTECH
>>             Commonwealth Avenue, U.P. Diliman, Quezon City
>>             Metro Manila 1101 Philippines
>>             Phone (632) 924-7681, 9267900
>>             Fax (632) 928-7692
>>
>>
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>>             Message: 3
>>             Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 15:47:45 -0700
>>             From: Chris Corrigan <chris at chriscorrigan.com
>>             <mailto:chris at chriscorrigan.com>>
>>             To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>             Subject: Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>             Message-ID:
>>             <CAO8x+WDBST7Ae4K5vmx3_NjeM_sbadNrTn4iEgAtmkS5KeqfiA at mail.gmail.com
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>>             Agreeing with Harrison here.
>>
>>             Lisa has given some great advice.  If you were going to
>>             make it possible to
>>             host 1000 people in Open Space for 4 hours, Lisa's
>>             detailed list gives you
>>             your best shot of doing that and being successful.
>>
>>             Don't be fooled though...this is a huge ask to do this
>>             well.  The largest
>>             group I ever hosted was about 600 people and honestly, the
>>             thought of doing
>>             that in a half day is truly overwhelming.  You need a
>>             large team with you
>>             to make sure the logistics flow and make sure that people
>>             can find where
>>             they need to go in a timely way.  But 1000 people moving
>>             about in a space
>>             is a really big ask, and that takes WAAAAY more time than
>>             you think it
>>             will. And God forbid someone calls a session and 75 people
>>             show up because
>>             it is rich and juicy - just being able to be heard and get
>>             a few comments
>>             in will be challenging.
>>
>>             As for the design teams idea, that one is really simple.
>>              With a crowd of
>>             1000 people all proposing and hosting conversations I
>>             think having a few
>>             people predetermine some trigger topics will give a false
>>             sense of comfort
>>             that they are actually able to be influential.  The fact
>>             is that 1000
>>             people are ALREADY talking and this Open Space will simply
>>             make that all
>>             visible.  To host this in Open Space you simply HAVE to
>>             have confidence in
>>             your ability to stand in the room and host.  If you can't
>>             do that, it's
>>             going to be hard for you.  You will not be able to control
>>             the shadow of
>>             the group nor the possibility of emergence.  Once the
>>             group is working you
>>             will barely be able to reconvene them, let alone impact
>>             the emotional field
>>             of the event.  So you and the core team need to let go of
>>             outcomes and get
>>             really curious about what might emerge from this afternoon
>>             of work.
>>
>>             Instead of design teams I would counsel that you have
>>             several dozen
>>             listeners somehow connected to the bigger project who can
>>             discern what is
>>             going on.  After the event invite them and the conveners
>>             of every
>>             conversation to engage in a little meaning making
>>             together.  That could
>>             still be a meeting of more than 100 people, but you could
>>             do it in Open
>>             Space and ask the question: "So what did we learn from our
>>             1000 people open
>>             space and what do we need to do to support momentum?"
>>
>>             And as for outcomes, there is very little this group
>>             collectively will be
>>             able to accomplish in four hours other than people shaving
>>             the conversation
>>             they came to have (not the ones the sponsors want them to
>>             have) with a few
>>             people who managed to find them.  You might use a tool like
>>             http://smsharvest.com as a way of catching insights on the
>>             fly from
>>             everywhere.  But it will be really hard to get any
>>             collective clarity.
>>
>>             This is a tough one Sharon Joy.  I wish you a lot of luck
>>             and good clarity
>>             and hope you will share the story with us of whatever
>>             happens.  There will
>>             be lots of learning in it for all of us.
>>
>>             Chris
>>
>>
>>             On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Harrison Owen
>>             <hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>
>>             > Scott said ? ?Not all of us have your (that?s me ? HO)
>>             confidence, clarity
>>             > or competence in all situations to trust ourselves, in
>>             an organization we
>>             > may live/work in and/or the process in a room
>>             potentially filled with
>>             > bureaucrats, whose shadow can slow down the speed of
>>             large group movement.?
>>             > ****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > Nice words, Scott ? but once again I have a different
>>             take. Truth is I
>>             > have ZERO confidence, to say nothing of clarity, in my
>>             ?competence in all
>>             > situations to trust (my)ourselves, in an organization we
>>             may live/work in
>>             > and/or the process in a room potentially filled with
>>             bureaucrats, whose
>>             > shadow can slow down the speed of large group movement.?
>>             Quite to the
>>             > contrary,  I know totally and completely that I will
>>             NEVER have a real clue
>>             > about what is going on. Too complex, inter-related, fast
>>             moving, opaque...
>>             > BUT the people do. My only responsibility (possibility)
>>             is to invite them
>>             > to do what only they know how to do ? and then, as
>>             quickly as possible, get
>>             > out of the way. Usually to take a napJ****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > And Kathie Dannemiller was a special person and a
>>             friend. I respect her
>>             > greatly. And... somebody once asked her why, given what
>>             she did, she didn?t
>>             > use Open Space. Her reply, as I heard it, was ? ?I?d be
>>             terrified ... it
>>             > could get out of control.? The big secret, of course,
>>             was that she (as we
>>             > all are) was always out of control ? so there was
>>             nothing to lose.****
>>             >
>>             > ****
>>             >
>>             > Harrison****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > Harrison Owen****
>>             >
>>             > 7808 River Falls Dr.****
>>             >
>>             > Potomac, MD 20854****
>>             >
>>             > USA****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)****
>>             >
>>             > Camden, Maine 04843****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > Phone 301-365-2093 <tel:301-365-2093>****
>>             >
>>             > (summer) 207-763-3261 <tel:207-763-3261>****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
>>             <http://www.openspaceworld.com%20> ****
>>             >
>>             > www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com>
>>             <http://www.ho-image.com%20> (Personal Website)****
>>             >
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>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > *From:* oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> [mailto:
>>             > oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On
>>             Behalf Of *Scott Gassman
>>             > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 10, 2013 5:01 PM
>>             >
>>             > *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             > *Subject:* Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > Hi Harrison,****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > Glad you responded, Sharon gets to think deeper about
>>             how to proceed and
>>             > be hopefully clearer about her design decisions.****
>>             >
>>             > I clearly hear "get out of the way quickly," and the
>>             authenticity of how
>>             > you have lived/practiced OpenSpace. I love it when I do
>>             it.****
>>             >
>>             > Not all of us have your confidence, clarity or
>>             competence in all
>>             > situations to trust ourselves, in an organization we may
>>             live/work in
>>             > and/or the process in a room potentially filled with
>>             bureaucrats, whose
>>             > shadow can slow down the speed of large group movement. ****
>>             >
>>             > Whether my approach is a cop out to the OS process, my
>>             Kathie Dannemiller
>>             > lessons about Design Teams has helped me to usually make
>>             the process
>>             > consciously the participants' process.****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > Scott****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Harrison Owen
>>             <hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>             > ****
>>             >
>>             > Scott ? I guess I really have a different take. I have
>>             never seen any
>>             > reason to ?plant? topics, or emplace ?spark plugs.? In
>>             every situation with
>>             > large groups in my experience (my largest was 2108 J) ?
>>             the people do it
>>             > all by themselves, just like usual. If anything the
>>             action is faster, and
>>             > more furious with a large group. Once it rolls, it
>>             really rolls. You just
>>             > got to get out of the way quickly ? which is why I would
>>             make sure the
>>             > opening was fast and sweet. Once person (facilitator)
>>             only ? and on with
>>             > the show! Of course the ?necessary conditions? must be
>>             in place (real
>>             > business issue, complexity, diversity, passion,
>>             conflict, urgency) ? and
>>             > from there on out the only thing you need to do is sit
>>             in a circle, create
>>             > bulletin board, open market place ? and go to work.
>>             Nothing else needed.**
>>             > **
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > Harrison****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > Harrison Owen****
>>             >
>>             > 7808 River Falls Dr.****
>>             >
>>             > Potomac, MD 20854****
>>             >
>>             > USA****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)****
>>             >
>>             > Camden, Maine 04843****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > Phone 301-365-2093 <tel:301-365-2093>****
>>             >
>>             > (summer) 207-763-3261 <tel:207-763-3261>****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
>>             <http://www.openspaceworld.com%20> ****
>>             >
>>             > www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com>
>>             <http://www.ho-image.com%20> (Personal Website)****
>>             >
>>             > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
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>>             >
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>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > *From:* oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> [mailto:
>>             > oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On
>>             Behalf Of *Scott Gassman
>>             > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:13 AM
>>             > *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             > *Subject:* Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > Hi Sharon Joy,****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > Thanks for sharing your opportunity and provoking our
>>             experience and
>>             > imagination.****
>>             >
>>             > Lisa has given you great tips, great food for thought.
>>             For me the joy of a
>>             > laid back ****
>>             >
>>             > OS alters when I must manage tighter time frames, larger
>>             numbers and
>>             > logistics. I ****
>>             >
>>             > want people to see what they can get done when they are
>>             focused and led
>>             > through ****
>>             >
>>             > well planned OS tasks. ****
>>             >
>>             > I think about the outcome/purpose the client/group wants
>>             to walk away
>>             > with. I try to ****
>>             >
>>             > get clear on their goal(s)/desired outcomes. I am fond
>>             of design teams
>>             > preceding ****
>>             >
>>             > any large group initiative. I would bring together 5 to
>>             10 vertically
>>             > positioned ****
>>             >
>>             > influencers as soon as possible and preceding the get
>>             together and confirm
>>             > sought ****
>>             >
>>             > desired outcomes, I would then ask them to brainstorm a
>>             list of important
>>             > topics****
>>             >
>>             > for this conversation and to rework the list into a
>>             vital few examples. I
>>             > would also ****
>>             >
>>             > encourage this group to recognize the significance of
>>             their role and to
>>             > serve as ****
>>             >
>>             > spark plugs to get the large group moving forward.****
>>             >
>>             > However the session is opened, I would include a design
>>             team member or two
>>             > to share their ****
>>             >
>>             > hopes and aspirations for this meeting, and to briefly
>>             share the list of
>>             > topics as examples ****
>>             >
>>             > for the 1,000 others to raise what matters most to them
>>             per the "high
>>             > performance ****
>>             >
>>             > system"sought.****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > This is a great opportunity for your government to work
>>             together.****
>>             >
>>             > I also look forward to learning about your experience
>>             and next steps.****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > Scott Gassman****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Sharon Joy Chao <
>>             > sharon at seameo-innotech.org
>>             <mailto:sharon at seameo-innotech.org>> wrote:****
>>             >
>>             > Need to figure a way of convening a thousand government
>>             people to go
>>             > through an exploratory discussion on high performance
>>             system, all under 4
>>             > hours.
>>             >
>>             > This happens next week down south in the city of Cebu.
>>             The focus is on the
>>             > Philippine government service, its performance
>>             management system and how it
>>             > can be truly essential, responsive and life-giving.
>>             >
>>             > Gail West, my OS mentor friend, has provided me with
>>             some incredible
>>             > suggestions on how to proceed and she also advised me to
>>             post on OSList.
>>             >
>>             > Any thoughts on how best to proceed with a cast of
>>             thousand in 4 hours
>>             > time?
>>             >
>>             > Maraming Salamat.
>>             >
>>             > ========================================
>>             > Sharon Joy Berlin Chao
>>             > SEAMEO INNOTECH
>>             > Commonwealth Avenue, U.P. Diliman, Quezon City
>>             > Metro Manila 1101 Philippines
>>             > Phone (632) 924-7681, 9267900
>>             > Fax (632) 928-7692
>>             >
>>             >
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>>             >
>>             > ****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > --
>>             > Scott Gassman
>>             > IdeaJuice
>>             > (917) 951 - 0258 <tel:%28917%29%20951%20-%200258>
>>             > scott.gassman at gmail.com <mailto:scott.gassman at gmail.com>
>>             > www.ideajuices.com <http://www.ideajuices.com>
>>             >
>>             > America Speaks on Scott:
>>             >
>>             http://americaspeaks.org/facilitator-spotlight/spotlight-on-scott-gassman/
>>             >
>>             > ****
>>             >
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>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > --
>>             > Scott Gassman
>>             > IdeaJuice
>>             > (917) 951 - 0258 <tel:%28917%29%20951%20-%200258>
>>             > scott.gassman at gmail.com <mailto:scott.gassman at gmail.com>
>>             > www.ideajuices.com <http://www.ideajuices.com>
>>             >
>>             > America Speaks on Scott:
>>             >
>>             http://americaspeaks.org/facilitator-spotlight/spotlight-on-scott-gassman/
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > ****
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>>             Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 20:47:52 -0400
>>             From: Scott Gassman <scott.gassman at gmail.com
>>             <mailto:scott.gassman at gmail.com>>
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>>             Harrison,
>>
>>             I am going to print these paragraphs of yours and think
>>             about the "ZERO
>>             confidence," "about what is going on."
>>             That's  good  material for me to think about as I approach
>>             future group
>>             work.
>>             I am touched by your Kathie story.  Kathie's respect for
>>             you came out in a
>>             conversation and made me want to learn Open Space, and so
>>             she really
>>             steered me towards learning with you and Lisa up in Maine.
>>             I do remember
>>             you leaving to take a nap and me scratching my head - how
>>             - in the middle,
>>             can you let go? I guess until now I dance between the
>>             freedom of Open Space
>>             and joint design team sharing that anchors me to do as
>>             much as I can to
>>             support the group and deliver a quick start.  I want the
>>             organizational
>>             team to discover and I also want to have them have those
>>             first few steps of
>>             how to get going on their own.
>>             I think of it as pushing a kid on a 2 wheel bicycle, also
>>             "out of control,"
>>             aiming to get them to keep pedaling  and stay up.
>>
>>             Here's my honesty to you, Sharon Joy.
>>
>>             Scott
>>
>>             On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Harrison Owen
>>             <hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>
>>             > Scott said ? ?Not all of us have your (that?s me ? HO)
>>             confidence, clarity
>>             > or competence in all situations to trust ourselves, in
>>             an organization we
>>             > may live/work in and/or the process in a room
>>             potentially filled with
>>             > bureaucrats, whose shadow can slow down the speed of
>>             large group movement.?
>>             > ****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > Nice words, Scott ? but once again I have a different
>>             take. Truth is I
>>             > have ZERO confidence, to say nothing of clarity, in my
>>             ?competence in all
>>             > situations to trust (my)ourselves, in an organization we
>>             may live/work in
>>             > and/or the process in a room potentially filled with
>>             bureaucrats, whose
>>             > shadow can slow down the speed of large group movement.?
>>             Quite to the
>>             > contrary,  I know totally and completely that I will
>>             NEVER have a real clue
>>             > about what is going on. Too complex, inter-related, fast
>>             moving, opaque...
>>             > BUT the people do. My only responsibility (possibility)
>>             is to invite them
>>             > to do what only they know how to do ? and then, as
>>             quickly as possible, get
>>             > out of the way. Usually to take a napJ****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > And Kathie Dannemiller was a special person and a
>>             friend. I respect her
>>             > greatly. And... somebody once asked her why, given what
>>             she did, she didn?t
>>             > use Open Space. Her reply, as I heard it, was ? ?I?d be
>>             terrified ... it
>>             > could get out of control.? The big secret, of course,
>>             was that she (as we
>>             > all are) was always out of control ? so there was
>>             nothing to lose.****
>>             >
>>             > ****
>>             >
>>             > Harrison****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > Harrison Owen****
>>             >
>>             > 7808 River Falls Dr.****
>>             >
>>             > Potomac, MD 20854****
>>             >
>>             > USA****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)****
>>             >
>>             > Camden, Maine 04843****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > Phone 301-365-2093 <tel:301-365-2093>****
>>             >
>>             > (summer) 207-763-3261 <tel:207-763-3261>****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
>>             <http://www.openspaceworld.com%20> ****
>>             >
>>             > www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com>
>>             <http://www.ho-image.com%20> (Personal Website)****
>>             >
>>             > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
>>             archives of
>>             > OSLIST Go to:
>>             >
>>             http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > *From:* oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> [mailto:
>>             > oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On
>>             Behalf Of *Scott Gassman
>>             > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 10, 2013 5:01 PM
>>             >
>>             > *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             > *Subject:* Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > Hi Harrison,****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > Glad you responded, Sharon gets to think deeper about
>>             how to proceed and
>>             > be hopefully clearer about her design decisions.****
>>             >
>>             > I clearly hear "get out of the way quickly," and the
>>             authenticity of how
>>             > you have lived/practiced OpenSpace. I love it when I do
>>             it.****
>>             >
>>             > Not all of us have your confidence, clarity or
>>             competence in all
>>             > situations to trust ourselves, in an organization we may
>>             live/work in
>>             > and/or the process in a room potentially filled with
>>             bureaucrats, whose
>>             > shadow can slow down the speed of large group movement. ****
>>             >
>>             > Whether my approach is a cop out to the OS process, my
>>             Kathie Dannemiller
>>             > lessons about Design Teams has helped me to usually make
>>             the process
>>             > consciously the participants' process.****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > Scott****
>>             >
>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Harrison Owen
>>             <hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>             > ****
>>             >
>>             > Scott ? I guess I really have a different take. I have
>>             never seen any
>>             > reason to ?plant? topics, or emplace ?spark plugs.? In
>>             every situation with
>>             > large groups in my experience (my largest was 2108 J) ?
>>             the people do it
>>             > all by themselves, just like usual. If anything the
>>             action is faster, and
>>             > more furious with a large group. Once it rolls, it
>>             really rolls. You just
>>             > got to get out of the way quickly ? which is why I would
>>             make sure the
>>             > opening was fast and sweet. Once person (facilitator)
>>             only ? and on with
>>             > the show! Of course the ?necessary conditions? must be
>>             in place (real
>>             > business issue, complexity, diversity, passion,
>>             conflict, urgency) ? and
>>             > from there on out the only thing you need to do is sit
>>             in a circle, create
>>             > bulletin board, open market place ? and go to work.
>>             Nothing else needed.**
>>             > **
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > Harrison****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > Harrison Owen****
>>             >
>>             > 7808 River Falls Dr.****
>>             >
>>             > Potomac, MD 20854****
>>             >
>>             > USA****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)****
>>             >
>>             > Camden, Maine 04843****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > Phone 301-365-2093 <tel:301-365-2093>****
>>             >
>>             > (summer) 207-763-3261 <tel:207-763-3261>****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
>>             <http://www.openspaceworld.com%20> ****
>>             >
>>             > www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com>
>>             <http://www.ho-image.com%20> (Personal Website)****
>>             >
>>             > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
>>             archives of
>>             > OSLIST Go to:
>>             >
>>             http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > *From:* oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> [mailto:
>>             > oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On
>>             Behalf Of *Scott Gassman
>>             > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:13 AM
>>             > *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             > *Subject:* Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > Hi Sharon Joy,****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > Thanks for sharing your opportunity and provoking our
>>             experience and
>>             > imagination.****
>>             >
>>             > Lisa has given you great tips, great food for thought.
>>             For me the joy of a
>>             > laid back ****
>>             >
>>             > OS alters when I must manage tighter time frames, larger
>>             numbers and
>>             > logistics. I ****
>>             >
>>             > want people to see what they can get done when they are
>>             focused and led
>>             > through ****
>>             >
>>             > well planned OS tasks. ****
>>             >
>>             > I think about the outcome/purpose the client/group wants
>>             to walk away
>>             > with. I try to ****
>>             >
>>             > get clear on their goal(s)/desired outcomes. I am fond
>>             of design teams
>>             > preceding ****
>>             >
>>             > any large group initiative. I would bring together 5 to
>>             10 vertically
>>             > positioned ****
>>             >
>>             > influencers as soon as possible and preceding the get
>>             together and confirm
>>             > sought ****
>>             >
>>             > desired outcomes, I would then ask them to brainstorm a
>>             list of important
>>             > topics****
>>             >
>>             > for this conversation and to rework the list into a
>>             vital few examples. I
>>             > would also ****
>>             >
>>             > encourage this group to recognize the significance of
>>             their role and to
>>             > serve as ****
>>             >
>>             > spark plugs to get the large group moving forward.****
>>             >
>>             > However the session is opened, I would include a design
>>             team member or two
>>             > to share their ****
>>             >
>>             > hopes and aspirations for this meeting, and to briefly
>>             share the list of
>>             > topics as examples ****
>>             >
>>             > for the 1,000 others to raise what matters most to them
>>             per the "high
>>             > performance ****
>>             >
>>             > system"sought.****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > This is a great opportunity for your government to work
>>             together.****
>>             >
>>             > I also look forward to learning about your experience
>>             and next steps.****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > Scott Gassman****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Sharon Joy Chao <
>>             > sharon at seameo-innotech.org
>>             <mailto:sharon at seameo-innotech.org>> wrote:****
>>             >
>>             > Need to figure a way of convening a thousand government
>>             people to go
>>             > through an exploratory discussion on high performance
>>             system, all under 4
>>             > hours.
>>             >
>>             > This happens next week down south in the city of Cebu.
>>             The focus is on the
>>             > Philippine government service, its performance
>>             management system and how it
>>             > can be truly essential, responsive and life-giving.
>>             >
>>             > Gail West, my OS mentor friend, has provided me with
>>             some incredible
>>             > suggestions on how to proceed and she also advised me to
>>             post on OSList.
>>             >
>>             > Any thoughts on how best to proceed with a cast of
>>             thousand in 4 hours
>>             > time?
>>             >
>>             > Maraming Salamat.
>>             >
>>             > ========================================
>>             > Sharon Joy Berlin Chao
>>             > SEAMEO INNOTECH
>>             > Commonwealth Avenue, U.P. Diliman, Quezon City
>>             > Metro Manila 1101 Philippines
>>             > Phone (632) 924-7681, 9267900
>>             > Fax (632) 928-7692
>>             >
>>             >
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>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > ****
>>             >
>>             >  ****
>>             >
>>             > --
>>             > Scott Gassman
>>             > IdeaJuice
>>             > (917) 951 - 0258 <tel:%28917%29%20951%20-%200258>
>>             > scott.gassman at gmail.com <mailto:scott.gassman at gmail.com>
>>             > www.ideajuices.com <http://www.ideajuices.com>
>>             >
>>             > America Speaks on Scott:
>>             >
>>             http://americaspeaks.org/facilitator-spotlight/spotlight-on-scott-gassman/
>>             >
>>             > ****
>>             >
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>>             > ** **
>>             >
>>             > --
>>             > Scott Gassman
>>             > IdeaJuice
>>             > (917) 951 - 0258 <tel:%28917%29%20951%20-%200258>
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>>             >
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>>             >
>>             >
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>>             Message: 5
>>             Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 05:55:23 +0000
>>             From: K?ri Gunnarsson <kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is
>>             <mailto:kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is>>
>>             To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>             Subject: Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>             Message-ID:
>>             <CAEjHsLkxQsBT9UJyj76DV5Z9jtoRdcRnJAPDvWJvjB2K77eonA at mail.gmail.com
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>>             A question here
>>
>>             I have been a bit confused about the selection process for
>>             open space.
>>             In my last possibly large gathering, there I was opening
>>             up the idea
>>             to my client that we should have a self-selection of
>>             participants in
>>             the open space by use of open invitation letters to the
>>             possible
>>             participants. My client did not like that.
>>
>>             How have these 1000 people been selected to take part in
>>             the open
>>             space and dose that mater in any way?
>>
>>             with a breeze from Iceland
>>             K?ri
>>
>>             On 10 July 2013 19:56, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net
>>             <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>             > Sharon Joy -- What a joy (excuse the pun) to see you
>>             here! You do have a
>>             > hand full, but it will be fun. With large groups, my
>>             biggest concern is
>>             > always to have enough space. And 1000 people do need
>>             some major room to
>>             > maneuver, particularly when the time is short. Two
>>             spaces are critical: in
>>             > the center of the circle, and at the wall. With that
>>             many people I would
>>             > look for a center open space of 100 feet across. It is
>>             more than likely that
>>             > you will have 100-150 people all rushing to the center,
>>             and that will become
>>             > quite confusing if they don?t have any room. And at the
>>             wall ? remember that
>>             > there will be a time when you have 1000 people all
>>             trying to read what is up
>>             > there (issues) and make their session selections. If the
>>             wall is too short,
>>             > the people will bunch up, and when people are standing
>>             5-6 deep, it will get
>>             > frustrating and things will move slowly. My rule of
>>             thumb is 6 inches of
>>             > wall per participant. That way people will never be more
>>             than 2-3 deep. You
>>             > can get away with less wall, but, but you do pay a
>>             price. In terms of time
>>             > periods I would suggest 1 ? hours for the opening, 2 --
>>             1 hour Sessions, and
>>             > a half hour for the close, maybe even less. It is all
>>             ?doable? but I do have
>>             > to ask: Why just 4 hours?
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > I suspicion the answer is something like ? there will be
>>             speeches and
>>             > presentations in the morning, which presumably will
>>             provide the people with
>>             > the necessary inspiration and information to do the job.
>>             However, every time
>>             > I have been in a situation like that, the information
>>             provided was never
>>             > enough, and the inspiration imparted simply didn?t do
>>             the job. More to the
>>             > point, there is an implicit statement made which I find
>>             most troubling. It
>>             > would seem that the wisdom of the several ?presenters?
>>             somehow was equal to
>>             > and/or took precedence over the collective wisdom and
>>             experience of 1000
>>             > people. Of course this could be true, but if it is, I
>>             seriously doubt that
>>             > Opening Space will do all that much good. Probably
>>             better to just fire
>>             > (terminate) the lot. On the other hand, if that 1000
>>             person collective
>>             > wisdom is of the sort and depth I suspect it to be ? the
>>             allocation of time
>>             > is, if nothing else, short sighted and disrespectful. It
>>             might seem that the
>>             > ?idiots and children? will be allowed a little play time
>>             after the experts
>>             > and adults have set the stage. Am I suggesting that you
>>             and your colleagues
>>             > thought this way? Definitely not. But that is a possible
>>             conclusion based on
>>             > the facts on the ground. And I have definitely
>>             experienced situations where
>>             > the ?thought? not only occurred, but was totally
>>             conscious. Worst case was a
>>             > CEO of a large American corporation who was heard to
>>             say, ?Never turn the
>>             > asylum over to the inmates.? The Asylum, of course was
>>             the company, and the
>>             > ?inmates? were all the employees. Is it any wonder that
>>             creativity and
>>             > innovation at that company were virtually non-existent,
>>             and that employee
>>             > morale was dismal? Thankfully the company is now out of
>>             business.
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > Doubtless I have gone way too far here, and knowing you
>>             Sharon Joy, I know
>>             > that such thoughts would never enter your mind. That
>>             said, I find that
>>             > sometimes what we do speaks so much louder than what we
>>             think or say. And
>>             > even worse when our actions are the direct antithesis of
>>             our real
>>             > intentions.
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > Harrison
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > Harrison Owen
>>             >
>>             > 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>             >
>>             > Potomac, MD 20854
>>             >
>>             > USA
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
>>             >
>>             > Camden, Maine 04843
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > Phone 301-365-2093 <tel:301-365-2093>
>>             >
>>             > (summer) 207-763-3261 <tel:207-763-3261>
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
>>             >
>>             > www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com> (Personal
>>             Website)
>>             >
>>             > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
>>             archives of OSLIST
>>             > Go
>>             to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>             > [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On
>>             Behalf Of Sharon Joy Chao
>>             > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 8:39 PM
>>             > To: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>             > Subject: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > Need to figure a way of convening a thousand government
>>             people to go through
>>             > an exploratory discussion on high performance system,
>>             all under 4 hours.
>>             >
>>             > This happens next week down south in the city of Cebu.
>>             The focus is on the
>>             > Philippine government service, its performance
>>             management system and how it
>>             > can be truly essential, responsive and life-giving.
>>             >
>>             > Gail West, my OS mentor friend, has provided me with
>>             some incredible
>>             > suggestions on how to proceed and she also advised me to
>>             post on OSList.
>>             >
>>             > Any thoughts on how best to proceed with a cast of
>>             thousand in 4 hours time?
>>             >
>>             > Maraming Salamat.
>>             >
>>             > ========================================
>>             > Sharon Joy Berlin Chao
>>             > SEAMEO INNOTECH
>>             > Commonwealth Avenue, U.P. Diliman, Quezon City
>>             > Metro Manila 1101 Philippines
>>             > Phone (632) 924-7681, 9267900
>>             > Fax (632) 928-7692
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > _______________________________________________
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>>             >
>>
>>
>>
>>             --
>>             K?ri Gunnarsson
>>             kari at openspace.is <mailto:kari at openspace.is>
>>             gsm: +354 8645189 <tel:%2B354%208645189>
>>
>>
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>>
>>             Message: 6
>>             Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:00:29 +0200
>>             From: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz at gmail.com
>>             <mailto:mmpannwitz at gmail.com>>
>>             To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>             Subject: Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>             Message-ID: <51DE580D.6040408 at gmail.com
>>             <mailto:51DE580D.6040408 at gmail.com>>
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>>             Dear Kari,
>>             if an invitation is sent to all that the Planning Group
>>             (sponsor
>>             included) want to be at the event under the
>>             approach/question "who
>>             should be at the event so that the stuff we expect from
>>             the event under
>>             the Heading we came up with for the event will happen?"
>>             those receiving
>>             the invitation respond to the invitation the way one would
>>             usually
>>             respond: accept or decline (selfselection).
>>             Huge advantage of this selfselection is that the people
>>             picking up their
>>             spirit and body to come are the right people.
>>             People that come because they ought to, feel they have to,
>>             are forced to
>>             etc. are also selfselecting themselves.
>>             And all that show up hear my words about "The Law" and my
>>             invitation to
>>             "obey" it (at least twice in the event)... listening to
>>             their feedback I
>>             find that most folks find it liberating when they follow
>>             The Law, and
>>             stay and participate (passionately).
>>             Now, this is not really an answer to your question on the
>>             selection of
>>             the 1000 people.
>>             The event that HO refers to occasionally (the event with 2108
>>             participants) took place at the end of a five day
>>             conference with 3500
>>             folks in attendance. In the invitation to the conference
>>             people wanting
>>             to attend the OST part had to sign up for it seperately
>>             (this determined
>>             how many cushions we bought and how much food was supplied
>>             and how many
>>             toilets had to be set up etc.) and pay an additonal fee.
>>             In this way, following the invitation meant putting down
>>             some extra
>>             money, filling out a form with their contact data for the
>>             documentation
>>             all in addition to the decision that they wanted to be
>>             part of it. These
>>             kinds of commitments are perhaps trivial but many sponsors
>>             are trying to
>>             avoid to attach those commitments to the invitation to
>>             make it "easier"
>>             for people to come... also a form of control.
>>
>>             Like the breeze from Iceland which actually arrived during
>>             the night and
>>             brought a refreshingly cool morning
>>             Greetings from Berlin
>>             mmp
>>
>>             On 11.07.2013 07:55, K?ri Gunnarsson wrote:
>>             > A question here
>>             >
>>             > I have been a bit confused about the selection process
>>             for open space.
>>             > In my last possibly large gathering, there I was opening
>>             up the idea
>>             > to my client that we should have a self-selection of
>>             participants in
>>             > the open space by use of open invitation letters to the
>>             possible
>>             > participants. My client did not like that.
>>             >
>>             > How have these 1000 people been selected to take part in
>>             the open
>>             > space and dose that mater in any way?
>>             >
>>             > with a breeze from Iceland
>>             > K?ri
>>             >
>>             > On 10 July 2013 19:56, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net
>>             <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>             >> Sharon Joy -- What a joy (excuse the pun) to see you
>>             here! You do have a
>>             >> hand full, but it will be fun. With large groups, my
>>             biggest concern is
>>             >> always to have enough space. And 1000 people do need
>>             some major room to
>>             >> maneuver, particularly when the time is short. Two
>>             spaces are critical: in
>>             >> the center of the circle, and at the wall. With that
>>             many people I would
>>             >> look for a center open space of 100 feet across. It is
>>             more than likely that
>>             >> you will have 100-150 people all rushing to the center,
>>             and that will become
>>             >> quite confusing if they don?t have any room. And at the
>>             wall ? remember that
>>             >> there will be a time when you have 1000 people all
>>             trying to read what is up
>>             >> there (issues) and make their session selections. If
>>             the wall is too short,
>>             >> the people will bunch up, and when people are standing
>>             5-6 deep, it will get
>>             >> frustrating and things will move slowly. My rule of
>>             thumb is 6 inches of
>>             >> wall per participant. That way people will never be
>>             more than 2-3 deep. You
>>             >> can get away with less wall, but, but you do pay a
>>             price. In terms of time
>>             >> periods I would suggest 1 ? hours for the opening, 2 --
>>             1 hour Sessions, and
>>             >> a half hour for the close, maybe even less. It is all
>>             ?doable? but I do have
>>             >> to ask: Why just 4 hours?
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >> I suspicion the answer is something like ? there will
>>             be speeches and
>>             >> presentations in the morning, which presumably will
>>             provide the people with
>>             >> the necessary inspiration and information to do the
>>             job. However, every time
>>             >> I have been in a situation like that, the information
>>             provided was never
>>             >> enough, and the inspiration imparted simply didn?t do
>>             the job. More to the
>>             >> point, there is an implicit statement made which I find
>>             most troubling. It
>>             >> would seem that the wisdom of the several ?presenters?
>>             somehow was equal to
>>             >> and/or took precedence over the collective wisdom and
>>             experience of 1000
>>             >> people. Of course this could be true, but if it is, I
>>             seriously doubt that
>>             >> Opening Space will do all that much good. Probably
>>             better to just fire
>>             >> (terminate) the lot. On the other hand, if that 1000
>>             person collective
>>             >> wisdom is of the sort and depth I suspect it to be ?
>>             the allocation of time
>>             >> is, if nothing else, short sighted and disrespectful.
>>             It might seem that the
>>             >> ?idiots and children? will be allowed a little play
>>             time after the experts
>>             >> and adults have set the stage. Am I suggesting that you
>>             and your colleagues
>>             >> thought this way? Definitely not. But that is a
>>             possible conclusion based on
>>             >> the facts on the ground. And I have definitely
>>             experienced situations where
>>             >> the ?thought? not only occurred, but was totally
>>             conscious. Worst case was a
>>             >> CEO of a large American corporation who was heard to
>>             say, ?Never turn the
>>             >> asylum over to the inmates.? The Asylum, of course was
>>             the company, and the
>>             >> ?inmates? were all the employees. Is it any wonder that
>>             creativity and
>>             >> innovation at that company were virtually non-existent,
>>             and that employee
>>             >> morale was dismal? Thankfully the company is now out of
>>             business.
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >> Doubtless I have gone way too far here, and knowing you
>>             Sharon Joy, I know
>>             >> that such thoughts would never enter your mind. That
>>             said, I find that
>>             >> sometimes what we do speaks so much louder than what we
>>             think or say. And
>>             >> even worse when our actions are the direct antithesis
>>             of our real
>>             >> intentions.
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >> Harrison
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >> Harrison Owen
>>             >>
>>             >> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>             >>
>>             >> Potomac, MD 20854
>>             >>
>>             >> USA
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >> 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
>>             >>
>>             >> Camden, Maine 04843
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >> Phone 301-365-2093 <tel:301-365-2093>
>>             >>
>>             >> (summer) 207-763-3261 <tel:207-763-3261>
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >> www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
>>             >>
>>             >> www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com> (Personal
>>             Website)
>>             >>
>>             >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view
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>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >> From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>             >> [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On
>>             Behalf Of Sharon Joy Chao
>>             >> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 8:39 PM
>>             >> To: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>             >> Subject: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >> Need to figure a way of convening a thousand government
>>             people to go through
>>             >> an exploratory discussion on high performance system,
>>             all under 4 hours.
>>             >>
>>             >> This happens next week down south in the city of Cebu.
>>             The focus is on the
>>             >> Philippine government service, its performance
>>             management system and how it
>>             >> can be truly essential, responsive and life-giving.
>>             >>
>>             >> Gail West, my OS mentor friend, has provided me with
>>             some incredible
>>             >> suggestions on how to proceed and she also advised me
>>             to post on OSList.
>>             >>
>>             >> Any thoughts on how best to proceed with a cast of
>>             thousand in 4 hours time?
>>             >>
>>             >> Maraming Salamat.
>>             >>
>>             >> ========================================
>>             >> Sharon Joy Berlin Chao
>>             >> SEAMEO INNOTECH
>>             >> Commonwealth Avenue, U.P. Diliman, Quezon City
>>             >> Metro Manila 1101 Philippines
>>             >> Phone (632) 924-7681, 9267900
>>             >> Fax (632) 928-7692
>>             >>
>>             >>
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>>             ------------------------------
>>
>>             Message: 7
>>             Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 08:04:55 +0000
>>             From: K?ri Gunnarsson <kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is
>>             <mailto:kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is>>
>>             To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>             Subject: [OSList] open space in jeeps
>>             Message-ID:
>>             <CAEjHsLn7rSAd-46wTrCVy1EoSXgyNTw1K91W7qKKv+qb_C+VMw at mail.gmail.com
>>             <mailto:CAEjHsLn7rSAd-46wTrCVy1EoSXgyNTw1K91W7qKKv+qb_C+VMw at mail.gmail.com>>
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>>
>>             I been wondering for a few years if anyone here has ever
>>             attempted to
>>             host a moving open space.
>>
>>             If you are booking Iceland for your open space, then
>>             perhaps it would
>>             be fun to see some sites and have discussion on the road.
>>             In my
>>             extended family we have a tradition that every 3 years we
>>             meet for a
>>             road trip. This road trip covers a short distance and is
>>             like an open
>>             space. for we drive for 5 to 15 minutes and then we stop
>>             for an hour
>>             in different locations where the power of the coffee brake
>>             takes over
>>             and people gather to talk about what needs to be talked
>>             about. This
>>             year we had 85 people in 20 jeeps driving around and
>>             mixing up the
>>             groups every time. If discussion was not done, then it
>>             would continue
>>             in the new place, the arrangement of people in jeeps was also
>>             changeable based on what we needed to talk about. Even
>>             with the
>>             possibly bad whether we can do this, as we all have nice
>>             clothing that
>>             protects us from rain, snow and wind. If it rains then we
>>             keep our
>>             papers in the jeeps.
>>
>>             Open Space meeting in jeeps on the road has the problem of
>>             impermanence of space, as we are driving around. Any wall
>>             space would
>>             need to be virtual. We already have good place markers
>>             that we take
>>             with us, that is the jeeps them selves, as a different
>>             discussion
>>             group can form next to jeep A or B. The time slots would
>>             be the place
>>             names of the sites that we visit. Like "Jeep B at Geysir"
>>             would be a
>>             group convening next to jeep B whenever we are next at the
>>             Geysir
>>             site.
>>
>>             The traditional site seeing in groups is usually hosted
>>             with a site
>>             guide that dumps to much information in to short of a time
>>             and hurries
>>             along so most of the people become to tiered to talk about
>>             other
>>             maters. This must be avoided, but we can still have some
>>             light and
>>             informative information of the sites by use of the comm
>>             system in the
>>             jeeps while approaching the sites. We can also tag along
>>             and enjoy the
>>             sites while conversing with our groups by giving a little
>>             more time, I
>>             would recommend to take a step out of the discussion to
>>             take in the
>>             site and revive the power of the pure nature to fuel the
>>             spiritual
>>             dimension of the discussion.
>>
>>             In my experiences, the energies and dimensions of a group
>>             of jeep
>>             traveling have almost all the parts that can be used for a
>>             good open
>>             space practice. The only missing part would be the wall
>>             that would
>>             need to be implemented virtually with tablet or smart phone
>>             application usable with an in jeep wifi / G4 system.
>>
>>             There are two major factors that drive me to these
>>             thoughts, one is
>>             that the nature is marvels and it is a shame to be stuck
>>             in a building
>>             when we can be traveling. And the other factor is that I
>>             like groups
>>             to come to my small country for experiencing these marvels
>>             while going
>>             on with the business that matters.
>>
>>             Any experiences, thoughts, opportunities or comments are
>>             welcome.
>>
>>
>>             ------------------------------
>>
>>             Message: 8
>>             Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 12:53:30 +0200
>>             From: gerardo de luzenberger <xge at loci.it
>>             <mailto:xge at loci.it>>
>>             To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>             Subject: Re: [OSList] open space in jeeps
>>             Message-ID:
>>             <CANk02oP5Zhpaof9ewvDvJ2TxYovyP5M=Fi6uF-7-+0Qsu8+tHw at mail.gmail.com
>>             <mailto:CANk02oP5Zhpaof9ewvDvJ2TxYovyP5M=Fi6uF-7-+0Qsu8+tHw at mail.gmail.com>>
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>>
>>             Hi Kari, what marvellous story.
>>             While reading I was just wondering
>>             what happens to the law of two feet and
>>             how you manage to aloud butterflying.
>>             Are those lovely creatures that are just
>>             there doing nothing sitting on a special car?
>>             ge
>>
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>>
>>             2013/7/11 K?ri Gunnarsson <kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is
>>             <mailto:kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is>>
>>
>>             > I been wondering for a few years if anyone here has ever
>>             attempted to
>>             > host a moving open space.
>>             >
>>             > If you are booking Iceland for your open space, then
>>             perhaps it would
>>             > be fun to see some sites and have discussion on the
>>             road. In my
>>             > extended family we have a tradition that every 3 years
>>             we meet for a
>>             > road trip. This road trip covers a short distance and is
>>             like an open
>>             > space. for we drive for 5 to 15 minutes and then we stop
>>             for an hour
>>             > in different locations where the power of the coffee
>>             brake takes over
>>             > and people gather to talk about what needs to be talked
>>             about. This
>>             > year we had 85 people in 20 jeeps driving around and
>>             mixing up the
>>             > groups every time. If discussion was not done, then it
>>             would continue
>>             > in the new place, the arrangement of people in jeeps was
>>             also
>>             > changeable based on what we needed to talk about. Even
>>             with the
>>             > possibly bad whether we can do this, as we all have nice
>>             clothing that
>>             > protects us from rain, snow and wind. If it rains then
>>             we keep our
>>             > papers in the jeeps.
>>             >
>>             > Open Space meeting in jeeps on the road has the problem of
>>             > impermanence of space, as we are driving around. Any
>>             wall space would
>>             > need to be virtual. We already have good place markers
>>             that we take
>>             > with us, that is the jeeps them selves, as a different
>>             discussion
>>             > group can form next to jeep A or B. The time slots would
>>             be the place
>>             > names of the sites that we visit. Like "Jeep B at
>>             Geysir" would be a
>>             > group convening next to jeep B whenever we are next at
>>             the Geysir
>>             > site.
>>             >
>>             > The traditional site seeing in groups is usually hosted
>>             with a site
>>             > guide that dumps to much information in to short of a
>>             time and hurries
>>             > along so most of the people become to tiered to talk
>>             about other
>>             > maters. This must be avoided, but we can still have some
>>             light and
>>             > informative information of the sites by use of the comm
>>             system in the
>>             > jeeps while approaching the sites. We can also tag along
>>             and enjoy the
>>             > sites while conversing with our groups by giving a
>>             little more time, I
>>             > would recommend to take a step out of the discussion to
>>             take in the
>>             > site and revive the power of the pure nature to fuel the
>>             spiritual
>>             > dimension of the discussion.
>>             >
>>             > In my experiences, the energies and dimensions of a
>>             group of jeep
>>             > traveling have almost all the parts that can be used for
>>             a good open
>>             > space practice. The only missing part would be the wall
>>             that would
>>             > need to be implemented virtually with tablet or smart phone
>>             > application usable with an in jeep wifi / G4 system.
>>             >
>>             > There are two major factors that drive me to these
>>             thoughts, one is
>>             > that the nature is marvels and it is a shame to be stuck
>>             in a building
>>             > when we can be traveling. And the other factor is that I
>>             like groups
>>             > to come to my small country for experiencing these
>>             marvels while going
>>             > on with the business that matters.
>>             >
>>             > Any experiences, thoughts, opportunities or comments are
>>             welcome.
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>>             Message: 9
>>             Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 11:23:40 +0000
>>             From: K?ri Gunnarsson <kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is
>>             <mailto:kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is>>
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>>             Subject: Re: [OSList] open space in jeeps
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>>             Hi Gerardo
>>
>>             I have often been butterflying with my mind out of the
>>             window enjoying
>>             the marvels of the landscape while begin a passenger of a
>>             Jeep, taking
>>             no notice of the conversations happening next to me.
>>
>>             In our Open Space Jeep ride with frequent stops for sites and
>>             conversations and many Jeeps, the butterflies will see the
>>             sites and
>>             find them sleeves in different jeeps all of the time.
>>
>>             I think Ill draft out a fun 3 day tour and an empowering 5
>>             day tour
>>             for this new moving by jeep open space format, with
>>             hot-spring outdoor
>>             thermal pools, geysers, volcanic lava-fields, waterfalls,
>>             glaciers,
>>             Nordic buffets, green energy sites and all the traditional
>>             fun stuff,
>>             ready for a topic and an invited group.
>>
>>             with a breeze from Iceland
>>             K?ri
>>
>>
>>             On 11 July 2013 10:53, gerardo de luzenberger <xge at loci.it
>>             <mailto:xge at loci.it>> wrote:
>>             > Hi Kari, what marvellous story.
>>             > While reading I was just wondering
>>             > what happens to the law of two feet and
>>             > how you manage to aloud butterflying.
>>             > Are those lovely creatures that are just
>>             > there doing nothing sitting on a special car?
>>             > ge
>>             >
>>             > Gerardo de Luzenberger
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>>             > Tel: +39 02 89751746 <tel:%2B39%2002%2089751746>
>>             > Fax: +39 02 87151318 <tel:%2B39%2002%2087151318>
>>             > Skype: gerardodeluz ? xge at loci.it <mailto:xge at loci.it>
>>             > IAF: Certified Professional Facilitator
>>             >
>>             > geniusloci
>>             >
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>>             >
>>             > 2013/7/11 K?ri Gunnarsson <kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is
>>             <mailto:kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is>>
>>             >>
>>             >> I been wondering for a few years if anyone here has
>>             ever attempted to
>>             >> host a moving open space.
>>             >>
>>             >> If you are booking Iceland for your open space, then
>>             perhaps it would
>>             >> be fun to see some sites and have discussion on the
>>             road. In my
>>             >> extended family we have a tradition that every 3 years
>>             we meet for a
>>             >> road trip. This road trip covers a short distance and
>>             is like an open
>>             >> space. for we drive for 5 to 15 minutes and then we
>>             stop for an hour
>>             >> in different locations where the power of the coffee
>>             brake takes over
>>             >> and people gather to talk about what needs to be talked
>>             about. This
>>             >> year we had 85 people in 20 jeeps driving around and
>>             mixing up the
>>             >> groups every time. If discussion was not done, then it
>>             would continue
>>             >> in the new place, the arrangement of people in jeeps
>>             was also
>>             >> changeable based on what we needed to talk about. Even
>>             with the
>>             >> possibly bad whether we can do this, as we all have
>>             nice clothing that
>>             >> protects us from rain, snow and wind. If it rains then
>>             we keep our
>>             >> papers in the jeeps.
>>             >>
>>             >> Open Space meeting in jeeps on the road has the problem of
>>             >> impermanence of space, as we are driving around. Any
>>             wall space would
>>             >> need to be virtual. We already have good place markers
>>             that we take
>>             >> with us, that is the jeeps them selves, as a different
>>             discussion
>>             >> group can form next to jeep A or B. The time slots
>>             would be the place
>>             >> names of the sites that we visit. Like "Jeep B at
>>             Geysir" would be a
>>             >> group convening next to jeep B whenever we are next at
>>             the Geysir
>>             >> site.
>>             >>
>>             >> The traditional site seeing in groups is usually hosted
>>             with a site
>>             >> guide that dumps to much information in to short of a
>>             time and hurries
>>             >> along so most of the people become to tiered to talk
>>             about other
>>             >> maters. This must be avoided, but we can still have
>>             some light and
>>             >> informative information of the sites by use of the comm
>>             system in the
>>             >> jeeps while approaching the sites. We can also tag
>>             along and enjoy the
>>             >> sites while conversing with our groups by giving a
>>             little more time, I
>>             >> would recommend to take a step out of the discussion to
>>             take in the
>>             >> site and revive the power of the pure nature to fuel
>>             the spiritual
>>             >> dimension of the discussion.
>>             >>
>>             >> In my experiences, the energies and dimensions of a
>>             group of jeep
>>             >> traveling have almost all the parts that can be used
>>             for a good open
>>             >> space practice. The only missing part would be the wall
>>             that would
>>             >> need to be implemented virtually with tablet or smart phone
>>             >> application usable with an in jeep wifi / G4 system.
>>             >>
>>             >> There are two major factors that drive me to these
>>             thoughts, one is
>>             >> that the nature is marvels and it is a shame to be
>>             stuck in a building
>>             >> when we can be traveling. And the other factor is that
>>             I like groups
>>             >> to come to my small country for experiencing these
>>             marvels while going
>>             >> on with the business that matters.
>>             >>
>>             >> Any experiences, thoughts, opportunities or comments
>>             are welcome.
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>>
>>             Message: 10
>>             Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 08:35:31 -0400
>>             From: "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net
>>             <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>>
>>             To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'"
>>             <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>             Subject: Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>             Message-ID: <000301ce7e33$2242d440$66c87cc0$@net>
>>             Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>             Scott - When teaching a kid to ride a bike, you only push
>>             as long as you
>>             have to. When the kid takes off - Let Them Go! In my
>>             experience, when riding
>>             the "Open Space Bike" a 15 min push will do the job,
>>             provided the conditions
>>             are right (real issue, complexity, diversity, etc).
>>             Actually, with every
>>             group I've ever worked with - large or small - it seems
>>             like they already
>>             knew how to ride. They just needed a gentle reminder - and
>>             off they went. No
>>             help needed.
>>
>>
>>
>>             Harrison
>>
>>
>>
>>             Harrison Owen
>>
>>             7808 River Falls Dr.
>>
>>             Potomac, MD 20854
>>
>>             USA
>>
>>
>>
>>             189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
>>
>>             Camden, Maine 04843
>>
>>
>>
>>             Phone 301-365-2093
>>
>>             (summer)  207-763-3261
>>
>>
>>
>>             www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
>>
>>             www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com> (Personal Website)
>>
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>>
>>
>>             From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>             [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf
>>             Of Scott Gassman
>>             Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:48 PM
>>             To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             Subject: Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>
>>
>>
>>             Harrison,
>>
>>
>>
>>             I am going to print these paragraphs of yours and think
>>             about the "ZERO
>>             confidence," "about what is going on."
>>
>>             That's  good  material for me to think about as I approach
>>             future group
>>             work.
>>
>>             I am touched by your Kathie story.  Kathie's respect for
>>             you came out in a
>>             conversation and made me want to learn Open Space, and so
>>             she really steered
>>             me towards learning with you and Lisa up in Maine. I do
>>             remember you leaving
>>             to take a nap and me scratching my head - how - in the
>>             middle, can you let
>>             go? I guess until now I dance between the freedom of Open
>>             Space and joint
>>             design team sharing that anchors me to do as much as I can
>>             to support the
>>             group and deliver a quick start.  I want the
>>             organizational team to discover
>>             and I also want to have them have those first few steps of
>>             how to get going
>>             on their own.
>>
>>             I think of it as pushing a kid on a 2 wheel bicycle, also
>>             "out of control,"
>>             aiming to get them to keep pedaling  and stay up.
>>
>>
>>
>>             Here's my honesty to you, Sharon Joy.
>>
>>
>>
>>             Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>             On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Harrison Owen
>>             <hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>
>>             Scott said - "Not all of us have your (that's me - HO)
>>             confidence, clarity
>>             or competence in all situations to trust ourselves, in an
>>             organization we
>>             may live/work in and/or the process in a room potentially
>>             filled with
>>             bureaucrats, whose shadow can slow down the speed of large
>>             group movement."
>>
>>
>>
>>             Nice words, Scott - but once again I have a different
>>             take. Truth is I have
>>             ZERO confidence, to say nothing of clarity, in my
>>             "competence in all
>>             situations to trust (my)ourselves, in an organization we
>>             may live/work in
>>             and/or the process in a room potentially filled with
>>             bureaucrats, whose
>>             shadow can slow down the speed of large group movement."
>>             Quite to the
>>             contrary,  I know totally and completely that I will NEVER
>>             have a real clue
>>             about what is going on. Too complex, inter-related, fast
>>             moving, opaque...
>>             BUT the people do. My only responsibility (possibility) is
>>             to invite them to
>>             do what only they know how to do - and then, as quickly as
>>             possible, get out
>>             of the way. Usually to take a napJ
>>
>>
>>
>>             And Kathie Dannemiller was a special person and a friend.
>>             I respect her
>>             greatly. And... somebody once asked her why, given what
>>             she did, she didn't
>>             use Open Space. Her reply, as I heard it, was - "I'd be
>>             terrified ... it
>>             could get out of control." The big secret, of course, was
>>             that she (as we
>>             all are) was always out of control - so there was nothing
>>             to lose.
>>
>>             Harrison
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             Harrison Owen
>>
>>             7808 River Falls Dr.
>>
>>             Potomac, MD 20854
>>
>>             USA
>>
>>
>>
>>             189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
>>
>>             Camden, Maine 04843
>>
>>
>>
>>             Phone 301-365-2093
>>
>>             (summer)  207-763-3261
>>
>>
>>
>>             www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
>>             <http://www.openspaceworld.com%20>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>             From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>             [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf
>>             Of Scott Gassman
>>             Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 5:01 PM
>>
>>
>>             To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             Subject: Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>
>>
>>
>>             Hi Harrison,
>>
>>
>>
>>             Glad you responded, Sharon gets to think deeper about how
>>             to proceed and be
>>             hopefully clearer about her design decisions.
>>
>>             I clearly hear "get out of the way quickly," and the
>>             authenticity of how you
>>             have lived/practiced OpenSpace. I love it when I do it.
>>
>>             Not all of us have your confidence, clarity or competence
>>             in all situations
>>             to trust ourselves, in an organization we may live/work in
>>             and/or the
>>             process in a room potentially filled with bureaucrats,
>>             whose shadow can slow
>>             down the speed of large group movement.
>>
>>             Whether my approach is a cop out to the OS process, my
>>             Kathie Dannemiller
>>             lessons about Design Teams has helped me to usually make
>>             the process
>>             consciously the participants' process.
>>
>>
>>
>>             Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>             On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Harrison Owen
>>             <hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>
>>             Scott - I guess I really have a different take. I have
>>             never seen any reason
>>             to "plant" topics, or emplace "spark plugs." In every
>>             situation with large
>>             groups in my experience (my largest was 2108 J) - the
>>             people do it all by
>>             themselves, just like usual. If anything the action is
>>             faster, and more
>>             furious with a large group. Once it rolls, it really
>>             rolls. You just got to
>>             get out of the way quickly - which is why I would make
>>             sure the opening was
>>             fast and sweet. Once person (facilitator) only - and on
>>             with the show! Of
>>             course the "necessary conditions" must be in place (real
>>             business issue,
>>             complexity, diversity, passion, conflict, urgency) - and
>>             from there on out
>>             the only thing you need to do is sit in a circle, create
>>             bulletin board,
>>             open market place - and go to work. Nothing else needed.
>>
>>
>>
>>             Harrison
>>
>>
>>
>>             Harrison Owen
>>
>>             7808 River Falls Dr.
>>
>>             Potomac, MD 20854
>>
>>             USA
>>
>>
>>
>>             189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
>>
>>             Camden, Maine 04843
>>
>>
>>
>>             Phone 301-365-2093
>>
>>             (summer)  207-763-3261
>>
>>
>>
>>             www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
>>             <http://www.openspaceworld.com%20>
>>
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>>             <http://www.ho-image.com%20>  (Personal Website)
>>
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>>
>>
>>             From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>             [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf
>>             Of Scott Gassman
>>             Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:13 AM
>>             To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             Subject: Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>
>>
>>
>>             Hi Sharon Joy,
>>
>>
>>
>>             Thanks for sharing your opportunity and provoking our
>>             experience and
>>             imagination.
>>
>>             Lisa has given you great tips, great food for thought. For
>>             me the joy of a
>>             laid back
>>
>>             OS alters when I must manage tighter time frames, larger
>>             numbers and
>>             logistics. I
>>
>>             want people to see what they can get done when they are
>>             focused and led
>>             through
>>
>>             well planned OS tasks.
>>
>>             I think about the outcome/purpose the client/group wants
>>             to walk away with.
>>             I try to
>>
>>             get clear on their goal(s)/desired outcomes. I am fond of
>>             design teams
>>             preceding
>>
>>             any large group initiative. I would bring together 5 to 10
>>             vertically
>>             positioned
>>
>>             influencers as soon as possible and preceding the get
>>             together and confirm
>>             sought
>>
>>             desired outcomes, I would then ask them to brainstorm a
>>             list of important
>>             topics
>>
>>             for this conversation and to rework the list into a vital
>>             few examples. I
>>             would also
>>
>>             encourage this group to recognize the significance of
>>             their role and to
>>             serve as
>>
>>             spark plugs to get the large group moving forward.
>>
>>             However the session is opened, I would include a design
>>             team member or two
>>             to share their
>>
>>             hopes and aspirations for this meeting, and to briefly
>>             share the list of
>>             topics as examples
>>
>>             for the 1,000 others to raise what matters most to them
>>             per the "high
>>             performance
>>
>>             system"sought.
>>
>>
>>
>>             This is a great opportunity for your government to work
>>             together.
>>
>>             I also look forward to learning about your experience and
>>             next steps.
>>
>>
>>
>>             Scott Gassman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Sharon Joy Chao
>>             <sharon at seameo-innotech.org
>>             <mailto:sharon at seameo-innotech.org>>
>>             wrote:
>>
>>             Need to figure a way of convening a thousand government
>>             people to go through
>>             an exploratory discussion on high performance system, all
>>             under 4 hours.
>>
>>             This happens next week down south in the city of Cebu. The
>>             focus is on the
>>             Philippine government service, its performance management
>>             system and how it
>>             can be truly essential, responsive and life-giving.
>>
>>             Gail West, my OS mentor friend, has provided me with some
>>             incredible
>>             suggestions on how to proceed and she also advised me to
>>             post on OSList.
>>
>>             Any thoughts on how best to proceed with a cast of
>>             thousand in 4 hours time?
>>
>>
>>             Maraming Salamat.
>>
>>             ========================================
>>             Sharon Joy Berlin Chao
>>             SEAMEO INNOTECH
>>             Commonwealth Avenue, U.P. Diliman, Quezon City
>>             Metro Manila 1101 Philippines
>>             Phone (632) 924-7681, 9267900
>>             Fax (632) 928-7692
>>
>>
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>>             Message: 11
>>             Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 14:38:15 +0200
>>             From: Lise Damkj?r <lise at learning4life.dk
>>             <mailto:lise at learning4life.dk>>
>>             To: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>             Subject: Re: [OSList] open space in jeeps
>>             Message-ID: <51DEA737.2070201 at learning4life.dk
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>>             Hey K?ri
>>
>>             I really like your idea - I certainly would like to enjoy
>>             Iceland and do
>>             an open space at the same time - lot of fun with the jeeps
>>             as well I think.
>>
>>             I hope your idea will grow and become thrue one day...
>>
>>             Lise, Copenhagen
>>
>>             Den 11-07-2013 10:04, K?ri Gunnarsson skrev:
>>             > I been wondering for a few years if anyone here has ever
>>             attempted to
>>             > host a moving open space.
>>             >
>>             > If you are booking Iceland for your open space, then
>>             perhaps it would
>>             > be fun to see some sites and have discussion on the
>>             road. In my
>>             > extended family we have a tradition that every 3 years
>>             we meet for a
>>             > road trip. This road trip covers a short distance and is
>>             like an open
>>             > space. for we drive for 5 to 15 minutes and then we stop
>>             for an hour
>>             > in different locations where the power of the coffee
>>             brake takes over
>>             > and people gather to talk about what needs to be talked
>>             about. This
>>             > year we had 85 people in 20 jeeps driving around and
>>             mixing up the
>>             > groups every time. If discussion was not done, then it
>>             would continue
>>             > in the new place, the arrangement of people in jeeps was
>>             also
>>             > changeable based on what we needed to talk about. Even
>>             with the
>>             > possibly bad whether we can do this, as we all have nice
>>             clothing that
>>             > protects us from rain, snow and wind. If it rains then
>>             we keep our
>>             > papers in the jeeps.
>>             >
>>             > Open Space meeting in jeeps on the road has the problem of
>>             > impermanence of space, as we are driving around. Any
>>             wall space would
>>             > need to be virtual. We already have good place markers
>>             that we take
>>             > with us, that is the jeeps them selves, as a different
>>             discussion
>>             > group can form next to jeep A or B. The time slots would
>>             be the place
>>             > names of the sites that we visit. Like "Jeep B at
>>             Geysir" would be a
>>             > group convening next to jeep B whenever we are next at
>>             the Geysir
>>             > site.
>>             >
>>             > The traditional site seeing in groups is usually hosted
>>             with a site
>>             > guide that dumps to much information in to short of a
>>             time and hurries
>>             > along so most of the people become to tiered to talk
>>             about other
>>             > maters. This must be avoided, but we can still have some
>>             light and
>>             > informative information of the sites by use of the comm
>>             system in the
>>             > jeeps while approaching the sites. We can also tag along
>>             and enjoy the
>>             > sites while conversing with our groups by giving a
>>             little more time, I
>>             > would recommend to take a step out of the discussion to
>>             take in the
>>             > site and revive the power of the pure nature to fuel the
>>             spiritual
>>             > dimension of the discussion.
>>             >
>>             > In my experiences, the energies and dimensions of a
>>             group of jeep
>>             > traveling have almost all the parts that can be used for
>>             a good open
>>             > space practice. The only missing part would be the wall
>>             that would
>>             > need to be implemented virtually with tablet or smart phone
>>             > application usable with an in jeep wifi / G4 system.
>>             >
>>             > There are two major factors that drive me to these
>>             thoughts, one is
>>             > that the nature is marvels and it is a shame to be stuck
>>             in a building
>>             > when we can be traveling. And the other factor is that I
>>             like groups
>>             > to come to my small country for experiencing these
>>             marvels while going
>>             > on with the business that matters.
>>             >
>>             > Any experiences, thoughts, opportunities or comments are
>>             welcome.
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>>             Message: 12
>>             Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 06:33:30 -0700 (PDT)
>>             From: chunili2000 at yahoo.com <mailto:chunili2000 at yahoo.com>
>>             To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>             Subject: Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>             Message-ID:
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>>             Interesting discussion...
>>             Scott, you said: "I want the organizational team to
>>             discover and I also want to have them have those first few
>>             steps of how to get going on their own.?" What do THEY want?
>>             ?
>>             I guess a fundamental message that needs to be clearly
>>             conveyed?from the outset?is who's responsible for the
>>             outcomes of the meeting? If you are, and so communicated,
>>             I can see your desire to make sure certain things
>>             happen...but if they are, and agree to it, then you are
>>             simply providing an environment that allows them to be
>>             their own leaders and be responsible for their?own
>>             passions. If things don't turn out to their satisfaction,
>>             there is something to be learned?about themselves.
>>             ?
>>             I would focus the planning on the logistics so that the
>>             least amount of time is wasted.
>>             ?
>>             ?
>>             ?
>>             Chuni Li
>>             ?
>>
>>             ?
>>             From: Scott Gassman <scott.gassman at gmail.com
>>             <mailto:scott.gassman at gmail.com>>
>>             To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>             Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:47 PM
>>             Subject: Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>
>>
>>
>>             Harrison,
>>
>>             I am going to print these paragraphs of yours and think
>>             about the "ZERO confidence," "about what is going on."?
>>             That's ?good ?material for me to think about as I approach
>>             future group work.?
>>             I am touched by your Kathie story. ?Kathie's respect for
>>             you came out in a conversation and made me want to learn
>>             Open Space, and so she really steered me towards learning
>>             with you and Lisa up in Maine. I do remember you leaving
>>             to take a nap and me scratching my head - how - in the
>>             middle, can you let go? I guess until now I dance between
>>             the freedom of Open Space and joint?design team?sharing
>>             that anchors me to do as much as I can to support the
>>             group and deliver a quick start. ?I want the
>>             organizational team to discover and I also want to have
>>             them have those first few steps of how to get going on
>>             their own.?
>>             I think of it as pushing a kid on a 2 wheel bicycle, also
>>             "out of control," aiming to get them to keep pedaling ?and
>>             stay up.
>>
>>             Here's my honesty to you, Sharon Joy.
>>
>>             Scott
>>
>>
>>             On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Harrison Owen
>>             <hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>
>>             Scott said ? ?Not all of us have your (that?s me ? HO)
>>             confidence, clarity or competence in all situations to
>>             trust ourselves, in an organization we may live/work in
>>             and/or the process in a room potentially filled with
>>             bureaucrats, whose shadow can slow down the speed of large
>>             group movement.??
>>             >?
>>             >Nice words, Scott ? but once again I have a different
>>             take. Truth is I have ZERO confidence, to say nothing of
>>             clarity, in my ?competence in all situations to trust
>>             (my)ourselves, in an organization we may live/work in
>>             and/or the process in a room potentially filled with
>>             bureaucrats, whose shadow can slow down the speed of large
>>             group movement.? Quite to the contrary, ?I know totally
>>             and completely that I will NEVER have a real clue about
>>             what is going on. Too complex, inter-related, fast
>>             moving, opaque... BUT the people do. My only
>>             responsibility (possibility) is to invite them to do what
>>             only they know how to do ? and then, as quickly as
>>             possible, get out of the way. Usually to take a napJ
>>             >?
>>             >And Kathie Dannemiller was a special person and a friend.
>>             I respect her greatly. And... somebody once asked her why,
>>             given what she did, she didn?t use Open Space. Her reply,
>>             as I heard it, was ? ?I?d be terrified ... it could get
>>             out of control.? The big secret, of course, was that she
>>             (as we all are) was always out of control ? so there was
>>             nothing to lose.
>>             >Harrison
>>             >?
>>             >?
>>             >?
>>             >Harrison Owen
>>             >7808 River Falls Dr.
>>             >Potomac, MD 20854
>>             >USA
>>             >?
>>             >189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
>>             >Camden, Maine 04843
>>             >?
>>             >Phone 301-365-2093
>>             >(summer)? 207-763-3261
>>             >?
>>             >www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
>>             >www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com> (Personal Website)
>>             >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
>>             archives of OSLIST Go
>>             to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
>>             >?
>>             >From:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>             [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf
>>             Of Scott Gassman
>>             >Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 5:01 PM
>>             >
>>             >To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             >Subject: Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>             >?
>>             >Hi Harrison,
>>             >?
>>             >Glad you responded, Sharon gets to think deeper about how
>>             to proceed and be hopefully clearer about her design
>>             decisions.
>>             >I clearly hear "get out of the way quickly,"?and the
>>             authenticity of how you have lived/practiced OpenSpace. I
>>             love it when I do it.
>>             >Not all of us have your confidence, clarity or competence
>>             in all situations to trust ourselves, in an organization
>>             we may live/work in and/or the process in a room
>>             potentially filled with bureaucrats, whose shadow can slow
>>             down the speed of large group movement.?
>>             >Whether my approach is a cop out to the OS process, my
>>             Kathie Dannemiller lessons about Design Teams has helped
>>             me to usually make the process consciously the
>>             participants' process.
>>             >?
>>             >Scott
>>             >?
>>             >On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Harrison Owen
>>             <hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>             >Scott ? I guess I really have a different take. I have
>>             never seen any reason to ?plant? topics, or emplace ?spark
>>             plugs.? In every situation with large groups in my
>>             experience (my largest was 2108 J) ? the people do it all
>>             by themselves, just like usual. If anything the action is
>>             faster, and more furious with a large group. Once it
>>             rolls, it really rolls. You just got to get out of the way
>>             quickly ? which is why I would make sure the opening was
>>             fast and sweet. Once person (facilitator) only ? and on
>>             with the show! Of course the ?necessary conditions? must
>>             be in place (real business issue, complexity, diversity,
>>             passion, conflict, urgency) ? and from there on out the
>>             only thing you need to do is sit in a circle, create
>>             bulletin board, open market place ? and go to work.
>>             Nothing else needed.
>>             >?
>>             >Harrison
>>             >?
>>             >Harrison Owen
>>             >7808 River Falls Dr.
>>             >Potomac, MD 20854
>>             >USA
>>             >?
>>             >189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
>>             >Camden, Maine 04843
>>             >?
>>             >Phone 301-365-2093
>>             >(summer)? 207-763-3261
>>             >?
>>             >http://www.openspaceworld.com%20/
>>             >http://www.ho-image.com%20/ (Personal Website)
>>             >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
>>             archives of OSLIST Go
>>             to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
>>             >?
>>             >From:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>             [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf
>>             Of Scott Gassman
>>             >Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:13 AM
>>             >To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             >Subject: Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>             >?
>>             >Hi Sharon Joy,
>>             >?
>>             >Thanks for sharing your opportunity and provoking our
>>             experience and imagination.
>>             >Lisa has given you great tips, great food for thought.
>>             For me the joy of a laid back?
>>             >OS alters when I must manage tighter time frames, larger
>>             numbers and logistics. I?
>>             >want people to?see what they can get done when they are
>>             focused and led through?
>>             >well planned OS tasks.?
>>             >I think about the?outcome/purpose the client/group wants
>>             to walk away with. I try to?
>>             >get clear on their?goal(s)/desired outcomes. I am fond of
>>             design teams preceding?
>>             >any large group initiative. I would bring together 5 to
>>             10 vertically positioned?
>>             >influencers as soon as possible and preceding the get
>>             together and confirm sought?
>>             >desired outcomes, I would then ask them to brainstorm a
>>             list of important topics
>>             >for this conversation and to rework the list into a vital
>>             few examples. I would also?
>>             >encourage this group to recognize the significance of
>>             their role and to serve as?
>>             >spark plugs to get the large group moving forward.
>>             >However the session is opened, I would include a design
>>             team member or two to share their?
>>             >hopes and aspirations for this meeting, and to briefly
>>             share the list of topics as examples?
>>             >for the 1,000 others to raise what matters most to them
>>             per the "high performance?
>>             >system"sought.
>>             >?
>>             >This is a great opportunity for your government to work
>>             together.
>>             >I also look forward to learning about your experience and
>>             next steps.
>>             >?
>>             >Scott Gassman
>>             >?
>>             >?
>>             >?
>>             >On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Sharon Joy Chao
>>             <sharon at seameo-innotech.org
>>             <mailto:sharon at seameo-innotech.org>> wrote:
>>             >Need to figure a way of convening a thousand government
>>             people to go through an exploratory discussion on high
>>             performance system, all under 4 hours.
>>             >
>>             >This happens next week down south in the city of Cebu.
>>             The focus is on the Philippine government service, its
>>             performance management system and how it can be truly
>>             essential, responsive and life-giving.
>>             >
>>             >Gail West, my OS mentor friend, has provided me with some
>>             incredible suggestions on how to proceed and she also
>>             advised me to post on OSList.
>>             >
>>             >Any thoughts on how best to proceed with a cast of
>>             thousand in 4 hours time?
>>             >
>>             >Maraming Salamat.
>>             >
>>             >========================================
>>             >Sharon Joy Berlin Chao
>>             >SEAMEO INNOTECH
>>             >Commonwealth Avenue, U.P. Diliman, Quezon City
>>             >Metro Manila 1101 Philippines
>>             >Phone (632) 924-7681, 9267900
>>             >Fax (632) 928-7692
>>             >
>>             >
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>>             Message: 13
>>             Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 19:38:20 +0200
>>             From: Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring
>>             <adriana at diazberrio.com <mailto:adriana at diazberrio.com>>
>>             To: chunili2000 at yahoo.com <mailto:chunili2000 at yahoo.com>,
>>             World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>             Subject: Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>             Message-ID:
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>>             Hello: Responding to the question about an OS for a large
>>             group but  e few
>>             hours I agree with Lisa and I want to say that yes it is
>>             very importqnt to
>>             have a lot os space for the agenda. I had 320 participants
>>             last week and
>>             this was a problem because they had problems getting to
>>             the wall to read.
>>             For the closing circle they helped put the chairs back in
>>             circles and I
>>             just took a few interventions but it was really interesting!
>>
>>             Adriana
>>
>>             2013/7/11 <chunili2000 at yahoo.com
>>             <mailto:chunili2000 at yahoo.com>>
>>
>>             > Interesting discussion...
>>             > Scott, you said: "I want the organizational team to
>>             discover and I also
>>             > want to have them have those first few steps of how to
>>             get going on their
>>             > own. " What do THEY want?
>>             >
>>             > I guess a fundamental message that needs to be clearly
>>             conveyed from the
>>             > outset is who's responsible for the outcomes of the
>>             meeting? If you are,
>>             > and so communicated, I can see your desire to make sure
>>             certain things
>>             > happen...but if they are, and agree to it, then you are
>>             simply providing an
>>             > environment that allows them to be their own leaders and
>>             be responsible for
>>             > their own passions. If things don't turn out to their
>>             satisfaction, there
>>             > is something to be learned about themselves.
>>             >
>>             > I would focus the planning on the logistics so that the
>>             least amount of
>>             > time is wasted.
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > Chuni Li
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >   *From:* Scott Gassman <scott.gassman at gmail.com
>>             <mailto:scott.gassman at gmail.com>>
>>             > *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
>>             > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>             > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:47 PM
>>             > *Subject:* Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours
>>             >
>>             > Harrison,
>>             >
>>             > I am going to print these paragraphs of yours and think
>>             about the "ZERO
>>             > confidence," "about what is going on."
>>             > That's  good  material for me to think about as I
>>             approach future group
>>             > work.
>>             > I am touched by your Kathie story.  Kathie's respect for
>>             you came out in a
>>             > conversation and made me want to learn Open Space, and
>>             so she really
>>             > steered me towards learning with you and Lisa up in
>>             Maine. I do remember
>>             > you leaving to take a nap and me scratching my head -
>>             how - in the middle,
>>             > can you let go? I guess until now I dance between the
>>             freedom of Open Space
>>             > and joint design team sharing that anchors me to do as
>>             much as I can to
>>             > support the group and deliver a quick start.  I want the
>>             organizational
>>             > team to discover and I also want to have them have those
>>             first few steps of
>>             > how to get going on their own.
>>             > I think of it as pushing a kid on a 2 wheel bicycle,
>>             also "out of
>>             > control," aiming to get them to keep pedaling  and stay up.
>>             >
>>             > Here's my honesty to you, Sharon Joy.
>>             >
>>             > Scott
>>             >
>>             > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Harrison Owen
>>             <hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>             >
>>             >  Scott said ? ?Not all of us have your (that?s me ? HO)
>>             confidence,
>>             > clarity or competence in all situations to trust
>>             ourselves, in an
>>             > organization we may live/work in and/or the process in a
>>             room potentially
>>             > filled with bureaucrats, whose shadow can slow down the
>>             speed of large
>>             > group movement.? ****
>>             > ** **
>>             > Nice words, Scott ? but once again I have a different
>>             take. Truth is I
>>             > have ZERO confidence, to say nothing of clarity, in my
>>             ?competence in all
>>             > situations to trust (my)ourselves, in an organization we
>>             may live/work in
>>             > and/or the process in a room potentially filled with
>>             bureaucrats, whose
>>             > shadow can slow down the speed of large group movement.?
>>             Quite to the
>>             > contrary,  I know totally and completely that I will
>>             NEVER have a real clue
>>             > about what is going on. Too complex, inter-related, fast
>>             moving, opaque...
>>             > BUT the people do. My only responsibility (possibility)
>>             is to invite them
>>             > to do what only they know how to do ? and then, as
>>             quickly as possible, get
>>             > out of the way. Usually to take a napJ****
>>             > ** **
>>             > And Kathie Dannemiller was a special person and a
>>             friend. I respect her
>>             > greatly. And... somebody once asked her why, given what
>>             she did, she didn?t
>>             > use Open Space. Her reply, as I heard it, was ? ?I?d be
>>             terrified ... it
>>             > could get out of control.? The big secret, of course,
>>             was that she (as we
>>             > all are) was always out of control ? so there was
>>             nothing to lose.****
>>             >  ****
>>             > Harrison****
>>             > ** **
>>             > ** **
>>             > ** **
>>             > Harrison Owen****
>>             > 7808 River Falls Dr.****
>>             > Potomac, MD 20854****
>>             > USA****
>>             > ** **
>>             > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)****
>>             > Camden, Maine 04843****
>>             > ** **
>>             > Phone 301-365-2093****
>>             > (summer)  207-763-3261****
>>             > ** **
>>             > www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
>>             <http://www.openspaceworld.com%20/> ****
>>             > www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com>
>>             <http://www.ho-image.com%20/> (Personal Website)****
>>             > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
>>             archives of
>>             > OSLIST Go to:
>>             >
>>             http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org****
>>             > ** **
>>             >  *From:* oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> [mailto:
>>             > oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On
>>             Behalf Of *Scott Gassman
>>             > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 10, 2013 5:01 PM
>>             >
>>             > *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             > *Subject:* Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours****
>>             >  ** **
>>             > Hi Harrison,****
>>             >  ** **
>>             >  Glad you responded, Sharon gets to think deeper about
>>             how to proceed and
>>             > be hopefully clearer about her design decisions.****
>>             >  I clearly hear "get out of the way quickly," and the
>>             authenticity of how
>>             > you have lived/practiced OpenSpace. I love it when I do
>>             it.****
>>             >  Not all of us have your confidence, clarity or
>>             competence in all
>>             > situations to trust ourselves, in an organization we may
>>             live/work in
>>             > and/or the process in a room potentially filled with
>>             bureaucrats, whose
>>             > shadow can slow down the speed of large group movement. ****
>>             >  Whether my approach is a cop out to the OS process, my
>>             Kathie Dannemillerlessons about Design Teams has helped me
>>             to usually make the process
>>             > consciously the participants' process.****
>>             >  ** **
>>             >  Scott****
>>             >  ** **
>>             >  On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Harrison Owen
>>             <hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>>
>>             > wrote:****
>>             >  Scott ? I guess I really have a different take. I have
>>             never seen any
>>             > reason to ?plant? topics, or emplace ?spark plugs.? In
>>             every situation
>>             > with large groups in my experience (my largest was 2108
>>             J) ? the people
>>             > do it all by themselves, just like usual. If anything
>>             the action is faster,
>>             > and more furious with a large group. Once it rolls, it
>>             really rolls. You
>>             > just got to get out of the way quickly ? which is why I
>>             would make sure the
>>             > opening was fast and sweet. Once person (facilitator)
>>             only ? and on with
>>             > the show! Of course the ?necessary conditions? must be
>>             in place (real
>>             > business issue, complexity, diversity, passion,
>>             conflict, urgency) ? and
>>             > from there on out the only thing you need to do is sit
>>             in a circle, create
>>             > bulletin board, open market place ? and go to work.
>>             Nothing else needed.**
>>             > **
>>             >  ****
>>             > Harrison****
>>             >  ****
>>             > Harrison Owen****
>>             > 7808 River Falls Dr.****
>>             > Potomac, MD 20854****
>>             > USA****
>>             >  ****
>>             > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)****
>>             > Camden, Maine 04843****
>>             >  ****
>>             > Phone 301-365-2093****
>>             > (summer)  207-763-3261****
>>             >  ****
>>             > http://www.openspaceworld.com%20/ ****
>>             > http://www.ho-image.com%20/ (Personal Website)****
>>             > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
>>             archives of
>>             > OSLIST Go to:
>>             >
>>             http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org****
>>             >  ****
>>             >  *From:* oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> [mailto:
>>             > oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>             <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On
>>             Behalf Of *Scott Gassman
>>             > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:13 AM
>>             > *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>             > *Subject:* Re: [OSList] 1,000 participants in 4 hours****
>>             >   ****
>>             > Hi Sharon Joy,****
>>             >   ****
>>             >  Thanks for sharing your opportunity and provoking our
>>             experience and
>>             > imagination.****
>>             >  Lisa has given you great tips, great food for thought.
>>             For me the joy of
>>             > a laid back ****
>>             >  OS alters when I must manage tighter time frames,
>>             larger numbers and
>>             > logistics. I ****
>>             >  want people to see what they can get done when they are
>>             focused and led
>>             > through ****
>>             >  well planned OS tasks. ****
>>             >  I think about the outcome/purpose the client/group
>>             wants to walk away
>>             > with. I try to ****
>>             >  get clear on their goal(s)/desired outcomes. I am fond
>>             of design teams
>>             > preceding ****
>>             >  any large group initiative. I would bring together 5 to
>>             10 vertically
>>             > positioned ****
>>             >  influencers as soon as possible and preceding the get
>>             together and
>>             > confirm sought ****
>>             >  desired outcomes, I would then ask them to brainstorm a
>>             list of
>>             > important topics****
>>             >  for this conversation and to rework the list into a
>>             vital few examples.
>>             > I would also ****
>>             >  encourage this group to recognize the significance of
>>             their role and to
>>             > serve as ****
>>             >  spark plugs to get the large group moving forward.****
>>             >  However the session is opened, I would include a design
>>             team member or
>>             > two to share their ****
>>             >  hopes and aspirations for this meeting, and to briefly
>>             share the list of
>>             > topics as examples ****
>>             >  for the 1,000 others to raise what matters most to them
>>             per the "high
>>             > performance ****
>>             >  system"sought.****
>>             >   ****
>>             >  This is a great opportunity for your government to work
>>             together.****
>>             >  I also look forward to learning about your experience
>>             and next steps.****
>>             >   ****
>>             >  Scott Gassman****
>>             >   ****
>>             >   ****
>>             >   ****
>>             >  On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Sharon Joy Chao <
>>             > sharon at seameo-innotech.org
>>             <mailto:sharon at seameo-innotech.org>> wrote:****
>>             > Need to figure a way of convening a thousand government
>>             people to go
>>             > through an exploratory discussion on high performance
>>             system, all under 4
>>             > hours.
>>             >
>>             > This happens next week down south in the city of Cebu.
>>             The focus is on the
>>             > Philippine government service, its performance
>>             management system and how it
>>             > can be truly essential, responsive and life-giving.
>>             >
>>             > Gail West, my OS mentor friend, has provided me with
>>             some incredible
>>             > suggestions on how to proceed and she also advised me to
>>             post on OSList.
>>             >
>>             > Any thoughts on how best to proceed with a cast of
>>             thousand in 4 hours
>>             > time?
>>             >
>>             > Maraming Salamat.
>>             >
>>             > ========================================
>>             > Sharon Joy Berlin Chao
>>             > SEAMEO INNOTECH
>>             > Commonwealth Avenue, U.P. Diliman, Quezon City
>>             > Metro Manila 1101 Philippines
>>             > Phone (632) 924-7681, 9267900
>>             > Fax (632) 928-7692
>>             >
>>             >
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>>             >
>>             > ****
>>             >   ****
>>             > --
>>             > Scott Gassman
>>             > IdeaJuice
>>             > (917) 951 - 0258
>>             > scott.gassman at gmail.com <mailto:scott.gassman at gmail.com>
>>             > http://www.ideajuices.com/
>>             >
>>             > America Speaks on Scott:
>>             >
>>             http://americaspeaks.org/facilitator-spotlight/spotlight-on-scott-gassman/
>>             >
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>>             >
>>             > ****
>>             >  ** **
>>             > --
>>             > Scott Gassman
>>             > IdeaJuice
>>             > (917) 951 - 0258
>>             > scott.gassman at gmail.com <mailto:scott.gassman at gmail.com>
>>             > http://www.ideajuices.com/
>>             >
>>             > America Speaks on Scott:
>>             >
>>             http://americaspeaks.org/facilitator-spotlight/spotlight-on-scott-gassman/
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>>             >
>>             > ****
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>>             > --
>>             > Scott Gassman
>>             > IdeaJuice
>>             > (917) 951 - 0258
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>>             > http://www.ideajuices.com/
>>             >
>>             > America Speaks on Scott:
>>             >
>>             http://americaspeaks.org/facilitator-spotlight/spotlight-on-scott-gassman/
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