[OSList] Certification?
Eva P Svensson
eva at epshumaninvest.se
Fri Aug 9 08:04:19 PDT 2013
Dear Michael :-)
Theres a bit more into it isn¨t it...
cheers
:o)
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9 aug 2013 kl. 15.10 skrev Michael M Pannwitz:
> Dear Eva,
> if you sent me a piece of paper on which you have handdrawn a circle and written "selforganisation" in Swedish into it, I will certify you for whatever you want. But dont forget the 5000 Euro.
> Cheers
> mmp
>
> On 09.08.2013 12:34, Eva P Svensson wrote:
>> Here it comes again :-)
>> Of course you can never certify someone and by that promise that the
>> person will behave in a conform way. But I must say that I sometimes
>> have missed some sort of certificate to at least know that the
>> OS-facilitator have gone through some sort of training - not that that
>> is a proof of success or anything but hopefully that person has been
>> introduced to the essence of Open Space such as the marketplace, the
>> principles, the law etc. That said is because I have sometimes got the
>> reaction when I have talked about OST - "Oh that, we have tried open
>> space and that was nothing for us" - and as I am a curious person of
>> course I ask why, and when they start to explain how their open space
>> experience was - I can say - "that was NOT open space". There have been
>> cases where they had not had the freedom to choose topics, not have the
>> freedom to use their feet and so on. And in my fantasy there will be
>> less drifts from the original form with some kind of training followed
>> by a certificate. And of course there is no proof that the certificate
>> made the facilitator do it "the right way" we always do it our ways, but
>> still - there is some essences that needs to be to call it Open Space -
>> at least for me.
>> My 2 cents
>> :o)
>> Eva
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>> Eva P Svensson
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>> *EPS Human Invest AB*
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>> 9 aug 2013 kl. 06.45 skrev Chris Weaver:
>>
>>> Greetings All,
>>>
>>> Ah, I can't resist jumping in to stir the pot. It is an honor to join
>>> a thread peopled by so many folks whom I respect (and appreciate and
>>> love) so much. I invite you to settle in for rather a long story,
>>> which may, at some point, have something to do with "certification."
>>>
>>> After learning of Open Space in Anne Stadler's kitchen, I walked
>>> around as a newbie at the OSonOS in Monterrey (the one fifteen years
>>> ago, from which Harrison was unexpectedly absent, due to a nasty flu,
>>> I believe), with my jaw hanging open to meet so many bold and
>>> brilliant facilitators (I remember especially Michael P, Alan Stewart,
>>> Brian Bainbridge, Roxy, and Birgitt Bolton) sharing stories that I
>>> sweetly strove to wrap my head at least half-way around.
>>>
>>> For a few years I engaged actively on the OSLIST as I began to
>>> facilitate some OST meetings (without even "finishing the book," as I
>>> recall) in the Seattle school where I worked as a teacher. In 1999 I
>>> landed here in North Carolina, where I attended my first OST workshop
>>> as part of the Genuine Contact Program with Birgitt (Bolton) Williams
>>> who had recently landed a few hours away.
>>>
>>> Now I will say that I have an assumption only that at around that time
>>> there was something of a "falling out" between Birgitt and her work
>>> and the work of some other OS facilitators. I do not know, nor need
>>> to know, the details. But I do know that there are some points of
>>> practice that have generated some heated passion in the community and
>>> that I think are worthy of putting on the storytelling table. (I know
>>> that there is not supposed to be a table, but I suddenly imagine
>>> myself with Jeff, Chris, Peggy, Harrison, Michael in a pub somewhere
>>> with a rough wooden table, on which I am happily uncorking a bottle of
>>> pinot noir.)
>>>
>>> When I completed the Genuine Contact "Working with OST" workshop, I
>>> received a certificate, but not a certification. (The distinction is
>>> important because there was no intention on the workshop leader's part
>>> to evaluate my "competence" in any way.) Based on my participation in
>>> the four-day experience, I could, if I chose, refer to myself as an
>>> authorized "Genuine Contact professional." The workshop included an
>>> exploration of the form & essence of OST, as gifted so effectively in
>>> Harrison's /User's Guide. /The workshop also shared some suggested
>>> approaches and tools for working in depth with the sponsor of an OST
>>> meeting (usually a leadership team within an organization), both prior
>>> to and after the OST event. My own understanding is that, by
>>> referring to myself as a GC professional if I chose, I would be
>>> sharing the simple message that I had had exposure to the approach of
>>> using OST that included these pre- and post-OST meeting practices and
>>> tools. The choice of whether and how to apply these practices and
>>> tools was up to me.
>>>
>>> So that is the part that relates to this thread topic of
>>> certification. As a practitioner, I honor the open-source nature of
>>> OST as Harrison's "discovery" and gift to the world. I refer people
>>> to the /User's Guide/ (and also the /Non-User's Guide /and other
>>> community resources) frequently.
>>>
>>> As an aside, I continued in the years that followed to participate in
>>> workshops on other methodologies that are shared through the Genuine
>>> Contact Program (most notably /Whole Person Process Facilitation/,
>>> which I use very often). I collaborated with my Genuine Contact
>>> colleagues around the world in developing the minimal appropriate
>>> structure for our international community. I participated in many
>>> mentoring circles, completed the Train the Trainer workshop, and
>>> became one of the 43 "co-owners" of the program. I also shifted my
>>> virtual community participation to the GC List, and dropped off of the
>>> OSLIST for a number of years. (I am enjoying being back.)
>>>
>>> So here, the plot thickens :-). One of the practices included in the
>>> GC "Working with OST" workshop is the use of...the "givens." So,
>>> lubricated with wine, I am going to place the notion of givens on the
>>> wooden storytelling table for our enjoyment. (This is worthy of its
>>> own thread, of course, but I'll just keep going here.)
>>>
>>> I have only infrequently worked as an external consultant/facilitator.
>>> Most of my work with OST has been within schools and community
>>> organizations. Over the years, I have come to value highly the
>>> practices I learned in the GCP of working with the sponsor prior to
>>> and after an OST (and I know that among other OST facilitators, pre-
>>> and post- meetings such as these are skillfully used and valued).
>>>
>>> In my experience, the purpose of careful preparation with the
>>> sponsoring team is to assist them in considering the state of their
>>> organization. What is the story-line that has brought them to
>>> considering an OST meeting? What's happening in terms of the grief
>>> cycle within their organization? What (deeply now) is the /purpose/
>>> of the meeting? What (deeply now) is the /context? /Basically, I ask
>>> the questions, and the team has the conversations. All this I
>>> explicitly place in the reality that when you sponsor an OST, there is
>>> not, nor should there be, any turning back.
>>>
>>> I use the givens as an essential tool in this process. I draw a
>>> circle on a flip chart and say, If this circle represents the open
>>> space, what are the non-negotiables that form the parameters of the
>>> open space?
>>>
>>> In the past, there have been passionate objections to this practice on
>>> this list, based, I think, on the belief that to establish givens is
>>> to close the space before it is even opened. My long-haul experience
>>> within organizations has taught me something different.
>>>
>>> What happens when I ask what the non-negotiables are is that a bunch
>>> of stuff goes up on the flip chart. Then, I probe each one, and ask,
>>> "Is this REALLY a given at this time for this meeting?" The fifteen
>>> givens get whittled down to twelve, and then eight, and then maybe
>>> five (ish). As you can imagine, the level of trust that
>>> organizational leaders have in the people plays in heavily. I let it
>>> be. I cannot make them trust more; I can only model trust, and hold
>>> space for trust.
>>>
>>> But I also find that the few givens that remain are, every time, very
>>> important and meaningful. Some examples: Perhaps the organizational
>>> purpose is a given, and perhaps there is value in re-sharing the
>>> organizational purpose at the start of the OST. Perhaps there has
>>> been a year of good work by a sub-group within the organization that
>>> has culminated in a policy that not everyone attending the OST is
>>> aware of, and that policy is a given. Perhaps a "law of the land"
>>> that administrators, but not all participants, know about is a given.
>>> Perhaps it is a given that the organization will stay within a
>>> certain budget, and any ideas generated beyond the budget will have to
>>> include the funding source to support them.
>>>
>>> Yes, the givens are shared with the group at the start of the OST. In
>>> my experience, this does not close the space, but rather it opens the
>>> space clearly and honestly. More importantly, it is a tool for
>>> building trust. When participants hear their formal organizational
>>> leaders share, clearly and transparently, what the givens are, they
>>> are more trusting that their own ideas will be honored after the
>>> meeting and not squelched.
>>>
>>> And this is what happens. Using givens is a way to profoundly
>>> mitigate the phenomenon, with which any seasoned OST facilitator is
>>> familiar, of leadership freaking out and clamping down on the results
>>> of an OST. The practice does not (thankfully) prevent the productive
>>> chaos and re-framing that happens after the meeting, but it greatly
>>> reduces the phenomenon of /reactionary fear/ on the part of formal
>>> leadership. The result is that leadership is more inclined to sponsor
>>> another OST soon, and indeed to invite other groups withing the
>>> organization to utilize OST themselves.
>>>
>>> Perhaps because I have worked inside organizations for many years, I
>>> have a deep respect for the challenges that formal leaders face.
>>> Perhaps an organization is possible without any formal leaders, but I
>>> have not yet encountered this. In the school where I work, there is a
>>> fragile and indeed even tender respect for our formal leaders whose
>>> responsibility it is to hold the space for the organization in the
>>> community. When leadership is in its integrity, followership is a
>>> natural and beautiful thing.
>>>
>>> Okay, I will pour the last of the bottle into all the glasses. Sadly,
>>> I won't hear your fine words until tomorrow, but so it is, according
>>> to the odd and illusory parameters of space & time.
>>>
>>> Take Care, with Love,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Donna Read
>>> <donna.read at managing4wellness.org
>>> <mailto:donna.read at managing4wellness.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Amen to that, Harrison! Blessings, Donna
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 17:36, "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net
>>> <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeff – as a sometime perpetrator and totally confused
>>>> (certifiable) I can attest that if at any point I were to
>>>> intimate that I actually knew what I was doing, that would be a
>>>> significant error. However I feel quite comfortable in my
>>>> not-knowing if only because the “process” (OST) is not something
>>>> I “do.” Under the best of circumstances my contribution is to
>>>> invite folks to do what they already know how to do – to be what
>>>> they already are. It always works, and it works even better when
>>>> I get out of the way. ____
>>>>
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>>>> [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of
>>>> *Jeff Aitken
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 7:17 PM
>>>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Certification?____
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>>>> having been trained by the motley lot who dreamed up this stuff,
>>>> i can attest that even that great privilege does not mean that i
>>>> know much or should be let near the folks in your organization.____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> jeff.____
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Peggy Holman
>>>> <peggy at peggyholman.com <mailto:peggy at peggyholman.com>> wrote:____
>>>>
>>>> To be certified confused…where do I sign up? ____
>>>>
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>>>> Chris -- thanks for your decidedly clear and unconfused comments
>>>> on certification. ____
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> I seem to recall in some past conversation that rather than
>>>> certification, lineage is alternative to the client conundrum of
>>>> who am I hiring? To be trained by the creator, or by someone who
>>>> trained with creator, on down the line seems to have worked for a
>>>> variety of practice traditions through the ages.____
>>>>
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>>>> Still no guarantee, as Chris noted below.____
>>>>
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>>>> appreciatively,____
>>>>
>>>> Peggy ____
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>>>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Chris Corrigan
>>>> <chris at chriscorrigan.com <mailto:chris at chriscorrigan.com>> wrote:____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> Ohh I love this topic too, because as we go on and on it becomes
>>>> clearer and clearer to me that Harrison's original idea (which
>>>> predated Open Source) was sheer genius. There is an expression
>>>> in english: "Closing the barn doors after the horse has left."
>>>> It's too late to certify people in Open Space Technology, and
>>>> thank God! ____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
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>>>> You simply cannot certify people as a way to protect the brand
>>>> and the reason is simple.____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> Certification is based on an industrial quality assurance model
>>>> In other words, every product leaving the factory is guaranteed
>>>> to work the way we say it is going to work. If it doesn't you
>>>> can have your money back and we'll give you a new one that works.
>>>> Every product can be tested before it leaves the factory to be
>>>> sure it works reliably,____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> You simply cannot do that with facilitators. No amount of
>>>> certification will guarantee that a client will get what they
>>>> want every single time. And a facilitator taking a single
>>>> training in Open Space or some other method will by definition
>>>> NOT be perfect leaving the factory. You need to develop a
>>>> practice, and even still there are contexts and situations that
>>>> will challenge and surprise you. "Be Prepared to Be Surprised"
>>>> is the only certification I can reliably give to anyone that has
>>>> trained with me. We are not engineers, architects or doctors.
>>>> We are people whose skill is in responding well to myriad and
>>>> changing contexts.____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> The International Association of Facilitators went down this
>>>> route. I have seen some horrible facilitation done by people who
>>>> are certified by the IAF. So much so that I have no faith in
>>>> that certification as standing for anything. It is a worthy idea
>>>> but it simply cannot be implemented.____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> Open Space is a brand like brainstorming is a brand, like using
>>>> markers and flipcharts is a brand, like parliamentary procedure
>>>> is a brand. In a few more decades, with any luck, the world will
>>>> have forgotten where it all came from and it will just become a
>>>> basic operating system of groups. In the last 10 years that
>>>> prospect has really come on as people have stolen, mashed up,
>>>> mixed together, modified and redesigned Open Space Technology.
>>>> Participatory process is becoming an acceptable way of doing
>>>> things, and will only become more so. Most conference goers for
>>>> example are now able to report on conference evaluations that
>>>> they would have rather had a world cafe or an Open Space than a
>>>> keynote address. I see it all the time. There is a fluency in
>>>> the world with this method and others.____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
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>>>> I fundamentally distrust anyone who makes a concerted effort to
>>>> certify Open Space. If Harrison Owen, the guy that put it all
>>>> down on paper, refuses to do it for excellent reasons, then I
>>>> wonder what gives anyone else the right to do it. ____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> And for me that is a terrific example of how to steward something
>>>> that really has an impact in the world. Offer it up and let it
>>>> go and only defend it from those that would try to own it.
>>>> Thankfully Open Space Technology I think is at a place in the
>>>> world where it defies ownership. Anyone who tries it will simply
>>>> be laughed off the stage. ____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> Chris____
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>>>> __ __
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>>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Kári Gunnarsson
>>>> <kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is <mailto:kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is>>
>>>> wrote:____
>>>>
>>>> I love the Certification dialogue and I think that the recurrence of
>>>> the dialogue is necessary. As I have looked around of things that
>>>> trace there roots to open space or give the impression to be similar
>>>> is some way. Some of these processes have the Certification hierarchy
>>>> protecting the Quality of the Brand and the revenues steaming
>>>> from the
>>>> property that the brand name is.
>>>>
>>>> The hierarchy of the Certification process associated with Brand
>>>> names
>>>> is a way to close space and create tension witch in turn will
>>>> fuel the
>>>> flow of cash from the people that can pay, excluding the people that
>>>> can not. It is an exercise in creating a closed system to fuel a
>>>> business plan. And naturally, any start up consultancy offering some
>>>> tools will need some flow of cash to pay the phone bill.
>>>>
>>>> When I was at Wosonon in Berlin back in 2010, I head one participant
>>>> saying. "You always have the clients that you deserve".
>>>>
>>>> By knowing that the space for clients is well open and the law of
>>>> mobility is active from them is perhaps a little scary. This
>>>> scare can
>>>> be remedied by letting go of the outcome and commit time to
>>>> prepare to
>>>> be of more benefit for my future clients.
>>>>
>>>> Here I have opened up many lines of thoughts that stay with me when I
>>>> think about this topic. What I would like to have written down is
>>>> some
>>>> sort of vision on how to go about using the open space as a central
>>>> idea and core philosophy in a practise.
>>>>
>>>> On Certification, my vote would go for "no central
>>>> Certification", but
>>>> I don't mind that various offspring's of Open Space go ahead and
>>>> create there own brand name with the associated cash flow headaches
>>>> and salaried sales staff of Certification trainings in there bid to
>>>> get a bought with a handsome cash out from lager companies.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I would like to see more people get interested in the
>>>> "boring" methought of meeting, working and begin together called open
>>>> space.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, I am bored to tears by people hearing about open
>>>> space and
>>>> begin pissed off by the way open office layout (also called open
>>>> space
>>>> in my country) has been ruining there work experiences.
>>>>
>>>> This is starting to be a long rant, Ill stop now.
>>>>
>>>> With the breeze from Iceland
>>>> Kári____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 August 2013 14:50, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net
>>>> <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>>> > Certification (whatever that might mean) seems to be a
>>>> perennial topic. I
>>>> > suppose that is understandable, but for myself it is a horrible
>>>> idea. My
>>>> > reasons are several. First of all it is too much work. The
>>>> thought of
>>>> > developing the criteria, programs, and even worse, “protecting
>>>> the brand” is
>>>> > totally exhausting. We’d have to have certifiers to certify the
>>>> certifiers
>>>> > and so on ad infinitum. Second reason – Open Space seems to be
>>>> taking care
>>>> > of itself. When folks come on with “A little Open Space,” “Sort
>>>> of Open
>>>> > Space,” “Modified Open Space,” ... the participants (increasingly)
>>>> > understand that they aren’t getting the genuine article—and say
>>>> so. I recall
>>>> > one instance where a large gentleman stood up in the middle of
>>>> the “program”
>>>> > and loudly proclaimed, “This sure ain’t Open Space! I’m out of
>>>> here.” And he
>>>> > walked. I guess you could call that “Market Certification.”
>>>> Best of all ---
>>>> > it works all by itself. One more thing not to do!!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Harrison
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Harrison Owen
>>>> >
>>>> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>>> >
>>>> > Potomac, MD 20854
>>>> >
>>>> > USA
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
>>>> >
>>>> > Camden, Maine 04843
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Phone 301-365-2093 <tel:301-365-2093>
>>>> >
>>>> > (summer) 207-763-3261 <tel:207-763-3261>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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