<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Dear Michael :-)<div>Theres a bit more into it isn¨t it...</div><div>cheers</div><div>:o)<br><div>
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padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></p><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Handwriting'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Eva P Svensson</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "></span></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></p><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><b><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: olive; ">EPS Human Invest AB</span></b></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><b><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: olive; ">Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc</span></i></b></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><b><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: olive; ">Medlem i Beyond Performance Group</span></i></b></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></p><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><i><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: olive; ">"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag och organisationer"</span></i><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "></span></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></p><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><a href="http://www.epshumaninvest.se/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; ">www.epshumaninvest.se</span></a></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Skype: eva.p.svensson</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">twitter:@EvaPSvensson</span></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#808000" face="'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><br></span></font><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><b><i><span style="color: rgb(147, 174, 5); ">"Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates</span></i></b></div></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span></span>
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<br><div><div>9 aug 2013 kl. 15.10 skrev Michael M Pannwitz:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Dear Eva,<br>if you sent me a piece of paper on which you have handdrawn a circle and written "selforganisation" in Swedish into it, I will certify you for whatever you want. But dont forget the 5000 Euro.<br>Cheers<br>mmp<br><br>On 09.08.2013 12:34, Eva P Svensson wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Here it comes again :-)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Of course you can never certify someone and by that promise that the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">person will behave in a conform way. But I must say that I sometimes<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">have missed some sort of certificate to at least know that the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">OS-facilitator have gone through some sort of training - not that that<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">is a proof of success or anything but hopefully that person has been<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">introduced to the essence of Open Space such as the marketplace, the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">principles, the law etc. That said is because I have sometimes got the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">reaction when I have talked about OST - "Oh that, we have tried open<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">space and that was nothing for us" - and as I am a curious person of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">course I ask why, and when they start to explain how their open space<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">experience was - I can say - "that was NOT open space". There have been<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">cases where they had not had the freedom to choose topics, not have the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">freedom to use their feet and so on. And in my fantasy there will be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">less drifts from the original form with some kind of training followed<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">by a certificate. And of course there is no proof that the certificate<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">made the facilitator do it "the right way" we always do it our ways, but<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">still - there is some essences that needs to be to call it Open Space -<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">at least for me.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">My 2 cents<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">:o)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Eva<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Bästa hälsningar<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Eva P Svensson<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">*EPS Human Invest AB*<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">*/Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc/*<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">*/Medlem i Beyond Performance Group/*<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">/"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">företag och organisationer"/<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.epshumaninvest.se">www.epshumaninvest.se</a> <<a href="http://www.epshumaninvest.se/">http://www.epshumaninvest.se/</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Skype: eva.p.svensson<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">twitter:@EvaPSvensson<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">*/"Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">till dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates/*<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">9 aug 2013 kl. 06.45 skrev Chris Weaver:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Greetings All,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Ah, I can't resist jumping in to stir the pot. It is an honor to join<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">a thread peopled by so many folks whom I respect (and appreciate and<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">love) so much. I invite you to settle in for rather a long story,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">which may, at some point, have something to do with "certification."<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">After learning of Open Space in Anne Stadler's kitchen, I walked<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">around as a newbie at the OSonOS in Monterrey (the one fifteen years<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">ago, from which Harrison was unexpectedly absent, due to a nasty flu,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I believe), with my jaw hanging open to meet so many bold and<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">brilliant facilitators (I remember especially Michael P, Alan Stewart,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Brian Bainbridge, Roxy, and Birgitt Bolton) sharing stories that I<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">sweetly strove to wrap my head at least half-way around.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">For a few years I engaged actively on the OSLIST as I began to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">facilitate some OST meetings (without even "finishing the book," as I<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">recall) in the Seattle school where I worked as a teacher. In 1999 I<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">landed here in North Carolina, where I attended my first OST workshop<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">as part of the Genuine Contact Program with Birgitt (Bolton) Williams<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">who had recently landed a few hours away.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Now I will say that I have an assumption only that at around that time<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">there was something of a "falling out" between Birgitt and her work<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">and the work of some other OS facilitators. I do not know, nor need<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to know, the details. But I do know that there are some points of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">practice that have generated some heated passion in the community and<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">that I think are worthy of putting on the storytelling table. (I know<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">that there is not supposed to be a table, but I suddenly imagine<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">myself with Jeff, Chris, Peggy, Harrison, Michael in a pub somewhere<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">with a rough wooden table, on which I am happily uncorking a bottle of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">pinot noir.)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">When I completed the Genuine Contact "Working with OST" workshop, I<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">received a certificate, but not a certification. (The distinction is<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">important because there was no intention on the workshop leader's part<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to evaluate my "competence" in any way.) Based on my participation in<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the four-day experience, I could, if I chose, refer to myself as an<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">authorized "Genuine Contact professional." The workshop included an<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">exploration of the form & essence of OST, as gifted so effectively in<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Harrison's /User's Guide. /The workshop also shared some suggested<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">approaches and tools for working in depth with the sponsor of an OST<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">meeting (usually a leadership team within an organization), both prior<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to and after the OST event. My own understanding is that, by<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">referring to myself as a GC professional if I chose, I would be<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">sharing the simple message that I had had exposure to the approach of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">using OST that included these pre- and post-OST meeting practices and<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">tools. The choice of whether and how to apply these practices and<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">tools was up to me.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">So that is the part that relates to this thread topic of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">certification. As a practitioner, I honor the open-source nature of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">OST as Harrison's "discovery" and gift to the world. I refer people<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to the /User's Guide/ (and also the /Non-User's Guide /and other<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">community resources) frequently.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">As an aside, I continued in the years that followed to participate in<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">workshops on other methodologies that are shared through the Genuine<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Contact Program (most notably /Whole Person Process Facilitation/,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">which I use very often). I collaborated with my Genuine Contact<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">colleagues around the world in developing the minimal appropriate<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">structure for our international community. I participated in many<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">mentoring circles, completed the Train the Trainer workshop, and<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">became one of the 43 "co-owners" of the program. I also shifted my<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">virtual community participation to the GC List, and dropped off of the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">OSLIST for a number of years. (I am enjoying being back.)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">So here, the plot thickens :-). One of the practices included in the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">GC "Working with OST" workshop is the use of...the "givens." So,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">lubricated with wine, I am going to place the notion of givens on the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">wooden storytelling table for our enjoyment. (This is worthy of its<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">own thread, of course, but I'll just keep going here.)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I have only infrequently worked as an external consultant/facilitator.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Most of my work with OST has been within schools and community<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">organizations. Over the years, I have come to value highly the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">practices I learned in the GCP of working with the sponsor prior to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">and after an OST (and I know that among other OST facilitators, pre-<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">and post- meetings such as these are skillfully used and valued).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">In my experience, the purpose of careful preparation with the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">sponsoring team is to assist them in considering the state of their<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">organization. What is the story-line that has brought them to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">considering an OST meeting? What's happening in terms of the grief<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">cycle within their organization? What (deeply now) is the /purpose/<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">of the meeting? What (deeply now) is the /context? /Basically, I ask<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the questions, and the team has the conversations. All this I<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">explicitly place in the reality that when you sponsor an OST, there is<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">not, nor should there be, any turning back.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I use the givens as an essential tool in this process. I draw a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">circle on a flip chart and say, If this circle represents the open<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">space, what are the non-negotiables that form the parameters of the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">open space?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">In the past, there have been passionate objections to this practice on<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">this list, based, I think, on the belief that to establish givens is<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to close the space before it is even opened. My long-haul experience<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">within organizations has taught me something different.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">What happens when I ask what the non-negotiables are is that a bunch<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">of stuff goes up on the flip chart. Then, I probe each one, and ask,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">"Is this REALLY a given at this time for this meeting?" The fifteen<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">givens get whittled down to twelve, and then eight, and then maybe<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">five (ish). As you can imagine, the level of trust that<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">organizational leaders have in the people plays in heavily. I let it<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">be. I cannot make them trust more; I can only model trust, and hold<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">space for trust.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">But I also find that the few givens that remain are, every time, very<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">important and meaningful. Some examples: Perhaps the organizational<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">purpose is a given, and perhaps there is value in re-sharing the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">organizational purpose at the start of the OST. Perhaps there has<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">been a year of good work by a sub-group within the organization that<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">has culminated in a policy that not everyone attending the OST is<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">aware of, and that policy is a given. Perhaps a "law of the land"<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">that administrators, but not all participants, know about is a given.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Perhaps it is a given that the organization will stay within a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">certain budget, and any ideas generated beyond the budget will have to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">include the funding source to support them.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Yes, the givens are shared with the group at the start of the OST. In<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">my experience, this does not close the space, but rather it opens the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">space clearly and honestly. More importantly, it is a tool for<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">building trust. When participants hear their formal organizational<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">leaders share, clearly and transparently, what the givens are, they<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">are more trusting that their own ideas will be honored after the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">meeting and not squelched.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">And this is what happens. Using givens is a way to profoundly<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">mitigate the phenomenon, with which any seasoned OST facilitator is<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">familiar, of leadership freaking out and clamping down on the results<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">of an OST. The practice does not (thankfully) prevent the productive<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">chaos and re-framing that happens after the meeting, but it greatly<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">reduces the phenomenon of /reactionary fear/ on the part of formal<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">leadership. The result is that leadership is more inclined to sponsor<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">another OST soon, and indeed to invite other groups withing the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">organization to utilize OST themselves.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Perhaps because I have worked inside organizations for many years, I<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">have a deep respect for the challenges that formal leaders face.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Perhaps an organization is possible without any formal leaders, but I<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">have not yet encountered this. In the school where I work, there is a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">fragile and indeed even tender respect for our formal leaders whose<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">responsibility it is to hold the space for the organization in the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">community. When leadership is in its integrity, followership is a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">natural and beautiful thing.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Okay, I will pour the last of the bottle into all the glasses. Sadly,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I won't hear your fine words until tomorrow, but so it is, according<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to the odd and illusory parameters of space & time.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Take Care, with Love,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Chris<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Donna Read<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:donna.read@managing4wellness.org">donna.read@managing4wellness.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:donna.read@managing4wellness.org">mailto:donna.read@managing4wellness.org</a>>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Amen to that, Harrison! Blessings, Donna<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Sent from my iPhone<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> On Aug 8, 2013, at 17:36, "Harrison Owen" <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">mailto:hhowen@verizon.net</a>>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Jeff – as a sometime perpetrator and totally confused<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> (certifiable) I can attest that if at any point I were to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> intimate that I actually knew what I was doing, that would be a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> significant error. However I feel quite comfortable in my<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> not-knowing if only because the “process” (OST) is not something<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> I “do.” Under the best of circumstances my contribution is to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> invite folks to do what they already know how to do – to be what<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> they already are. It always works, and it works even better when<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> I get out of the way. ____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Harrison____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote 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href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</a> <<a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com%20/">http://www.openspaceworld.com%20/</a>> ____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <a href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</a> <<a href="http://www.ho-image.com%20/">http://www.ho-image.com%20/</a>> (Personal Website)____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> of OSLIST Go<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> *From:<a href="mailto:*oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">*oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> [mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> *Jeff Aitken<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 7:17 PM<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Certification?____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> having been trained by the motley lot who dreamed up this stuff,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> i can attest that even that great privilege does not mean that i<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> know much or should be let near the folks in your organization.____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> jeff.____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Peggy Holman<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:peggy@peggyholman.com">peggy@peggyholman.com</a> <<a href="mailto:peggy@peggyholman.com">mailto:peggy@peggyholman.com</a>>> wrote:____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> To be certified confused…where do I sign up? ____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Chris -- thanks for your decidedly clear and unconfused comments<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> on certification. ____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> I seem to recall in some past conversation that rather than<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> certification, lineage is alternative to the client conundrum of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> who am I hiring? To be trained by the creator, or by someone who<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> trained with creator, on down the line seems to have worked for a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> variety of practice traditions through the ages.____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Still no guarantee, as Chris noted below.____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> appreciatively,____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Peggy ____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> On Aug 8, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Chris Corrigan<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:chris@chriscorrigan.com">chris@chriscorrigan.com</a> <<a href="mailto:chris@chriscorrigan.com">mailto:chris@chriscorrigan.com</a>>> wrote:____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Ohh I love this topic too, because as we go on and on it becomes<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> clearer and clearer to me that Harrison's original idea (which<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> predated Open Source) was sheer genius. There is an expression<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> in english: "Closing the barn doors after the horse has left."<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> It's too late to certify people in Open Space Technology, and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> thank God! ____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> You simply cannot certify people as a way to protect the brand<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> and the reason is simple.____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Certification is based on an industrial quality assurance model<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> In other words, every product leaving the factory is guaranteed<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> to work the way we say it is going to work. If it doesn't you<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> can have your money back and we'll give you a new one that works.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Every product can be tested before it leaves the factory to be<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> sure it works reliably,____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> You simply cannot do that with facilitators. No amount of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> certification will guarantee that a client will get what they<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> want every single time. And a facilitator taking a single<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> training in Open Space or some other method will by definition<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> NOT be perfect leaving the factory. You need to develop a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> practice, and even still there are contexts and situations that<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> will challenge and surprise you. "Be Prepared to Be Surprised"<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> is the only certification I can reliably give to anyone that has<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> trained with me. We are not engineers, architects or doctors.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> We are people whose skill is in responding well to myriad and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> changing contexts.____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> The International Association of Facilitators went down this<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> route. I have seen some horrible facilitation done by people who<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> are certified by the IAF. So much so that I have no faith in<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> that certification as standing for anything. It is a worthy idea<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> but it simply cannot be implemented.____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Open Space is a brand like brainstorming is a brand, like using<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> markers and flipcharts is a brand, like parliamentary procedure<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> is a brand. In a few more decades, with any luck, the world will<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> have forgotten where it all came from and it will just become a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> basic operating system of groups. In the last 10 years that<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> prospect has really come on as people have stolen, mashed up,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> mixed together, modified and redesigned Open Space Technology.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Participatory process is becoming an acceptable way of doing<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> things, and will only become more so. Most conference goers for<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> example are now able to report on conference evaluations that<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> they would have rather had a world cafe or an Open Space than a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> keynote address. I see it all the time. There is a fluency in<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> the world with this method and others.____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> I fundamentally distrust anyone who makes a concerted effort to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> certify Open Space. If Harrison Owen, the guy that put it all<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> down on paper, refuses to do it for excellent reasons, then I<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> wonder what gives anyone else the right to do it. ____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> And for me that is a terrific example of how to steward something<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> that really has an impact in the world. Offer it up and let it<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> go and only defend it from those that would try to own it.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Thankfully Open Space Technology I think is at a place in the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> world where it defies ownership. Anyone who tries it will simply<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> be laughed off the stage. ____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Chris____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> __ __<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Kári Gunnarsson<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:kari.gunnarsson@simnet.is">kari.gunnarsson@simnet.is</a> <<a href="mailto:kari.gunnarsson@simnet.is">mailto:kari.gunnarsson@simnet.is</a>>><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> wrote:____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> I love the Certification dialogue and I think that the recurrence of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> the dialogue is necessary. As I have looked around of things that<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> trace there roots to open space or give the impression to be similar<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> is some way. Some of these processes have the Certification hierarchy<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> protecting the Quality of the Brand and the revenues steaming<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> from the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> property that the brand name is.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> The hierarchy of the Certification process associated with Brand<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> names<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> is a way to close space and create tension witch in turn will<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> fuel the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> flow of cash from the people that can pay, excluding the people that<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> can not. It is an exercise in creating a closed system to fuel a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> business plan. And naturally, any start up consultancy offering some<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> tools will need some flow of cash to pay the phone bill.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> When I was at Wosonon in Berlin back in 2010, I head one participant<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> saying. "You always have the clients that you deserve".<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> By knowing that the space for clients is well open and the law of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> mobility is active from them is perhaps a little scary. This<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> scare can<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> be remedied by letting go of the outcome and commit time to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> prepare to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> be of more benefit for my future clients.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Here I have opened up many lines of thoughts that stay with me when I<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> think about this topic. What I would like to have written down is<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> some<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> sort of vision on how to go about using the open space as a central<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> idea and core philosophy in a practise.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> On Certification, my vote would go for "no central<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Certification", but<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> I don't mind that various offspring's of Open Space go ahead and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> create there own brand name with the associated cash flow headaches<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> and salaried sales staff of Certification trainings in there bid to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> get a bought with a handsome cash out from lager companies.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> That said, I would like to see more people get interested in the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> "boring" methought of meeting, working and begin together called open<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> space.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> By the way, I am bored to tears by people hearing about open<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> space and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> begin pissed off by the way open office layout (also called open<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> space<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> in my country) has been ruining there work experiences.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> This is starting to be a long rant, Ill stop now.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> With the breeze from Iceland<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Kári____<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> On 8 August 2013 14:50, Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">mailto:hhowen@verizon.net</a>>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > Certification (whatever that might mean) seems to be a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> perennial topic. I<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > suppose that is understandable, but for myself it is a horrible<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> idea. My<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > reasons are several. First of all it is too much work. The<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> thought of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > developing the criteria, programs, and even worse, “protecting<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> the brand” is<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > totally exhausting. We’d have to have certifiers to certify the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> certifiers<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > and so on ad infinitum. Second reason – Open Space seems to be<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> taking care<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > of itself. When folks come on with “A little Open Space,” “Sort<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> of Open<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > Space,” “Modified Open Space,” ... the participants (increasingly)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > understand that they aren’t getting the genuine article—and say<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> so. I recall<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > one instance where a large gentleman stood up in the middle of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> the “program”<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > and loudly proclaimed, “This sure ain’t Open Space! I’m out of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> here.” And he<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > walked. I guess you could call that “Market Certification.”<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Best of all ---<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > it works all by itself. One more thing not to do!!<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > Harrison<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > Harrison 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