[OSList] Certification?

Michael M Pannwitz mmpannwitz at gmail.com
Fri Aug 9 06:10:33 PDT 2013


Dear Eva,
if you sent me a piece of paper on which you have handdrawn a circle and 
written "selforganisation" in Swedish into it, I will certify you for 
whatever you want. But dont forget the 5000 Euro.
Cheers
mmp

On 09.08.2013 12:34, Eva P Svensson wrote:
> Here it comes again :-)
> Of course you can never certify someone and by that promise that the
> person will behave in a conform way. But I must say that I sometimes
> have missed some sort of certificate to at least know that the
> OS-facilitator have gone through some sort of training - not that that
> is a proof of success or anything but hopefully that person has been
> introduced to the essence of Open Space such as the marketplace, the
> principles, the law etc. That said is because I have sometimes got the
> reaction when I have talked about OST - "Oh that, we have tried open
> space and that was nothing for us" - and as I am a curious person of
> course I ask why, and when they start to explain how their open space
> experience was - I can say - "that was NOT open space". There have been
> cases where they had not had the freedom to choose topics, not have the
> freedom to use their feet and so on. And in my fantasy there will be
> less drifts from the original form with some kind of training followed
> by a certificate. And of course there is no proof that the certificate
> made the facilitator do it "the right way" we always do it our ways, but
> still - there is some essences that needs to be to call it Open Space -
> at least for me.
> My 2 cents
> :o)
> Eva
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> 9 aug 2013 kl. 06.45 skrev Chris Weaver:
>
>> Greetings All,
>>
>> Ah, I can't resist jumping in to stir the pot.  It is an honor to join
>> a thread peopled by so many folks whom I respect (and appreciate and
>> love) so much.  I invite you to settle in for rather a long story,
>> which may, at some point, have something to do with "certification."
>>
>> After learning of Open Space in Anne Stadler's kitchen, I walked
>> around as a newbie at the OSonOS in Monterrey (the one fifteen years
>> ago, from which Harrison was unexpectedly absent, due to a nasty flu,
>> I believe), with my jaw hanging open to meet so many bold and
>> brilliant facilitators (I remember especially Michael P, Alan Stewart,
>> Brian Bainbridge, Roxy, and Birgitt Bolton) sharing stories that I
>> sweetly strove to wrap my head at least half-way around.
>>
>> For a few years I engaged actively on the OSLIST as I began to
>> facilitate some OST meetings (without even "finishing the book," as I
>> recall) in the Seattle school where I worked as a teacher.  In 1999 I
>> landed here in North Carolina, where I attended my first OST workshop
>> as part of the Genuine Contact Program with Birgitt (Bolton) Williams
>> who had recently landed a few hours away.
>>
>> Now I will say that I have an assumption only that at around that time
>> there was something of a "falling out" between Birgitt and her work
>> and the work of some other OS facilitators.  I do not know, nor need
>> to know, the details.  But I do know that there are some points of
>> practice that have generated some heated passion in the community and
>> that I think are worthy of putting on the storytelling table.  (I know
>> that there is not supposed to be a table, but I suddenly imagine
>> myself with Jeff, Chris, Peggy, Harrison, Michael in a pub somewhere
>> with a rough wooden table, on which I am happily uncorking a bottle of
>> pinot noir.)
>>
>> When I completed the Genuine Contact "Working with OST" workshop, I
>> received a certificate, but not a certification.  (The distinction is
>> important because there was no intention on the workshop leader's part
>> to evaluate my "competence" in any way.)  Based on my participation in
>> the four-day experience, I could, if I chose, refer to myself as an
>> authorized "Genuine Contact professional."  The workshop included an
>> exploration of the form & essence of OST, as gifted so effectively in
>> Harrison's /User's Guide. /The workshop also shared some suggested
>> approaches and tools for working in depth with the sponsor of an OST
>> meeting (usually a leadership team within an organization), both prior
>> to and after the OST event.  My own understanding is that, by
>> referring to myself as a GC professional if I chose, I would be
>> sharing the simple message that I had had exposure to the approach of
>> using OST that included these pre- and post-OST meeting practices and
>> tools.  The choice of whether and how to apply these practices and
>> tools was up to me.
>>
>> So that is the part that relates to this thread topic of
>> certification.  As a practitioner, I honor the open-source nature of
>> OST as Harrison's "discovery" and gift to the world.  I refer people
>> to the /User's Guide/ (and also the /Non-User's Guide /and other
>> community resources) frequently.
>>
>> As an aside, I continued in the years that followed to participate in
>> workshops on other methodologies that are shared through the Genuine
>> Contact Program (most notably /Whole Person Process Facilitation/,
>> which I use very often).  I collaborated with my Genuine Contact
>> colleagues around the world in developing the minimal appropriate
>> structure for our international community.  I participated in many
>> mentoring circles, completed the Train the Trainer workshop, and
>> became one of the 43 "co-owners" of the program.  I also shifted my
>> virtual community participation to the GC List, and dropped off of the
>> OSLIST for a number of years.  (I am enjoying being back.)
>>
>> So here, the plot thickens :-).  One of the practices included in the
>> GC "Working with OST" workshop is the use of...the "givens."  So,
>> lubricated with wine, I am going to place the notion of givens on the
>> wooden storytelling table for our enjoyment.  (This is worthy of its
>> own thread, of course, but I'll just keep going here.)
>>
>> I have only infrequently worked as an external consultant/facilitator.
>>  Most of my work with OST has been within schools and community
>> organizations.  Over the years, I have come to value highly the
>> practices I learned in the GCP of working with the sponsor prior to
>> and after an OST (and I know that among other OST facilitators, pre-
>> and post- meetings such as these are skillfully used and valued).
>>
>> In my experience, the purpose of careful preparation with the
>> sponsoring team is to assist them in considering the state of their
>> organization.  What is the story-line that has brought them to
>> considering an OST meeting?  What's happening in terms of the grief
>> cycle within their organization?  What (deeply now) is the /purpose/
>> of the meeting?  What (deeply now) is the /context? /Basically, I ask
>> the questions, and the team has the conversations.  All this I
>> explicitly place in the reality that when you sponsor an OST, there is
>> not, nor should there be, any turning back.
>>
>> I use the givens as an essential tool in this process.  I draw a
>> circle on a flip chart and say, If this circle represents the open
>> space, what are the non-negotiables that form the parameters of the
>> open space?
>>
>> In the past, there have been passionate objections to this practice on
>> this list, based, I think, on the belief that to establish givens is
>> to close the space before it is even opened.  My long-haul experience
>> within organizations has taught me something different.
>>
>> What happens when I ask what the non-negotiables are is that a bunch
>> of stuff goes up on the flip chart.  Then, I probe each one, and ask,
>> "Is this REALLY a given at this time for this meeting?"  The fifteen
>> givens get whittled down to twelve, and then eight, and then maybe
>> five (ish).  As you can imagine, the level of trust that
>> organizational leaders have in the people plays in heavily.  I let it
>> be.  I cannot make them trust more; I can only model trust, and hold
>> space for trust.
>>
>> But I also find that the few givens that remain are, every time, very
>> important and meaningful.  Some examples:  Perhaps the organizational
>> purpose is a given, and perhaps there is value in re-sharing the
>> organizational purpose at the start of the OST.  Perhaps there has
>> been a year of good work by a sub-group within the organization that
>> has culminated in a policy that not everyone attending the OST is
>> aware of, and that policy is a given.  Perhaps a "law of the land"
>> that administrators, but not all participants, know about is a given.
>>  Perhaps it is a given that the organization will stay within a
>> certain budget, and any ideas generated beyond the budget will have to
>> include the funding source to support them.
>>
>> Yes, the givens are shared with the group at the start of the OST.  In
>> my experience, this does not close the space, but rather it opens the
>> space clearly and honestly.  More importantly, it is a tool for
>> building trust.  When participants hear their formal organizational
>> leaders share, clearly and transparently, what the givens are, they
>> are more trusting that their own ideas will be honored after the
>> meeting and not squelched.
>>
>> And this is what happens.  Using givens is a way to profoundly
>> mitigate the phenomenon, with which any seasoned OST facilitator is
>> familiar, of leadership freaking out and clamping down on the results
>> of an OST.  The practice does not (thankfully) prevent the productive
>> chaos and re-framing that happens after the meeting, but it greatly
>> reduces the phenomenon of /reactionary fear/ on the part of formal
>> leadership.  The result is that leadership is more inclined to sponsor
>> another OST soon, and indeed to invite other groups withing the
>> organization to utilize OST themselves.
>>
>> Perhaps because I have worked inside organizations for many years, I
>> have a deep respect for the challenges that formal leaders face.
>>  Perhaps an organization is possible without any formal leaders, but I
>> have not yet encountered this.  In the school where I work, there is a
>> fragile and indeed even tender respect for our formal leaders whose
>> responsibility it is to hold the space for the organization in the
>> community.  When leadership is in its integrity, followership is a
>> natural and beautiful thing.
>>
>> Okay, I will pour the last of the bottle into all the glasses.  Sadly,
>> I won't hear your fine words until tomorrow, but so it is, according
>> to the odd and illusory parameters of space & time.
>>
>> Take Care, with Love,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Donna Read
>> <donna.read at managing4wellness.org
>> <mailto:donna.read at managing4wellness.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Amen to that, Harrison!  Blessings, Donna
>>
>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>     On Aug 8, 2013, at 17:36, "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net
>>     <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>
>>>     Jeff – as a sometime perpetrator and totally confused
>>>     (certifiable) I can attest that if at any point I were to
>>>     intimate that I actually knew what I was doing, that would be a
>>>     significant error. However I feel quite comfortable in my
>>>     not-knowing if only because the “process” (OST) is not something
>>>     I “do.” Under the best of circumstances my contribution is to
>>>     invite folks to do what they already know how to do – to be what
>>>     they already are. It always works, and it works even better when
>>>     I get out of the way. ____
>>>
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>>>     having been trained by the motley lot who dreamed up this stuff,
>>>     i can attest that even that great privilege does not mean that i
>>>     know much or should be let near the folks in your organization.____
>>>
>>>     ____
>>>
>>>     jeff.____
>>>
>>>     On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Peggy Holman
>>>     <peggy at peggyholman.com <mailto:peggy at peggyholman.com>> wrote:____
>>>
>>>     To be certified confused…where do I sign up? ____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     Chris -- thanks for your decidedly clear and unconfused comments
>>>     on certification. ____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     I seem to recall in some past conversation that rather than
>>>     certification, lineage is alternative to the client conundrum of
>>>     who am I hiring?  To be trained by the creator, or by someone who
>>>     trained with creator, on down the line seems to have worked for a
>>>     variety of practice traditions through the ages.____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     Still no guarantee, as Chris noted below.____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     appreciatively,____
>>>
>>>     Peggy ____
>>>
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>>>     On Aug 8, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Chris Corrigan
>>>     <chris at chriscorrigan.com <mailto:chris at chriscorrigan.com>> wrote:____
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ____
>>>
>>>     Ohh I love this topic too, because as we go on and on it becomes
>>>     clearer and clearer to me that Harrison's original idea (which
>>>     predated Open Source) was sheer genius.  There is an expression
>>>     in english: "Closing the barn doors after the horse has left."
>>>      It's too late to certify people in Open Space Technology, and
>>>     thank God! ____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     You simply cannot certify people as a way to protect the brand
>>>     and the reason is simple.____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     Certification is based on an industrial quality assurance model
>>>      In other words, every product leaving the factory is guaranteed
>>>     to work the way we say it is going to work.  If it doesn't you
>>>     can have your money back and we'll give you a new one that works.
>>>      Every product can be tested before it leaves the factory to be
>>>     sure it works reliably,____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     You simply cannot do that with facilitators.  No amount of
>>>     certification will guarantee that a client will get what they
>>>     want every single time.  And a facilitator taking a single
>>>     training in Open Space or some other method will by definition
>>>     NOT be perfect leaving the factory.  You need to develop a
>>>     practice, and even still there are contexts and situations that
>>>     will challenge and surprise you.  "Be Prepared to Be Surprised"
>>>     is the only certification I can reliably give to anyone that has
>>>     trained with me.  We are not engineers, architects or doctors.
>>>      We are people whose skill is in responding well to myriad and
>>>     changing contexts.____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     The International Association of Facilitators went down this
>>>     route.  I have seen some horrible facilitation done by people who
>>>     are certified by the IAF.  So much so that I have no faith in
>>>     that certification as standing for anything.  It is a worthy idea
>>>     but it simply cannot be implemented.____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     Open Space is a brand like brainstorming is a brand, like using
>>>     markers and flipcharts is a brand, like parliamentary procedure
>>>     is a brand.  In a few more decades, with any luck, the world will
>>>     have forgotten where it all came from and it will just become a
>>>     basic operating system of groups.  In the last 10 years that
>>>     prospect has really come on as people have stolen, mashed up,
>>>     mixed together, modified and redesigned Open Space Technology.
>>>      Participatory process is becoming an acceptable way of doing
>>>     things, and will only become more so.  Most conference goers for
>>>     example are now able to report on conference evaluations that
>>>     they would have rather had a world cafe or an Open Space than a
>>>     keynote address.  I see it all the time.  There is a fluency in
>>>     the world with this method and others.____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     I fundamentally distrust anyone who makes a concerted effort to
>>>     certify Open Space.  If Harrison Owen, the guy that put it all
>>>     down on paper, refuses to do it for excellent reasons, then I
>>>     wonder what gives anyone else the right to do it. ____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     And for me that is a terrific example of how to steward something
>>>     that really has an impact in the world.  Offer it up and let it
>>>     go and only defend it from those that would try to own it.
>>>      Thankfully Open Space Technology I think is at a place in the
>>>     world where it defies ownership.  Anyone who tries it will simply
>>>     be laughed off the stage. ____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     Chris____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Kári Gunnarsson
>>>     <kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is <mailto:kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is>>
>>>     wrote:____
>>>
>>>     I love the Certification dialogue and I think that the recurrence of
>>>     the dialogue is necessary. As I have looked around of things that
>>>     trace there roots to open space or give the impression to be similar
>>>     is some way. Some of these processes have the Certification hierarchy
>>>     protecting the Quality of the Brand and the revenues steaming
>>>     from the
>>>     property that the brand name is.
>>>
>>>     The hierarchy of the Certification process associated with Brand
>>>     names
>>>     is a way to close space and create tension witch in turn will
>>>     fuel the
>>>     flow of cash from the people that can pay, excluding the people that
>>>     can not. It is an exercise in creating a closed system to fuel a
>>>     business plan. And naturally, any start up consultancy offering some
>>>     tools will need some flow of cash to pay the phone bill.
>>>
>>>     When I was at Wosonon in Berlin back in 2010, I head one participant
>>>     saying. "You always have the clients that you deserve".
>>>
>>>     By knowing that the space for clients is well open and the law of
>>>     mobility is active from them is perhaps a little scary. This
>>>     scare can
>>>     be remedied by letting go of the outcome and commit time to
>>>     prepare to
>>>     be of more benefit for my future clients.
>>>
>>>     Here I have opened up many lines of thoughts that stay with me when I
>>>     think about this topic. What I would like to have written down is
>>>     some
>>>     sort of vision on how to go about using the open space as a central
>>>     idea and core philosophy in a practise.
>>>
>>>     On Certification, my vote would go for "no central
>>>     Certification", but
>>>     I don't mind that various offspring's of Open Space go ahead and
>>>     create there own brand name with the associated cash flow headaches
>>>     and salaried sales staff of Certification trainings in there bid to
>>>     get a bought with a handsome cash out from lager companies.
>>>
>>>     That said, I would like to see more people get interested in the
>>>     "boring" methought of meeting, working and begin together called open
>>>     space.
>>>
>>>     By the way, I am bored to tears by people hearing about open
>>>     space and
>>>     begin pissed off by the way open office layout (also called open
>>>     space
>>>     in my country) has been ruining there work experiences.
>>>
>>>     This is starting to be a long rant, Ill stop now.
>>>
>>>     With the breeze from Iceland
>>>     Kári____
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 8 August 2013 14:50, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net
>>>     <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>>     > Certification (whatever that might mean) seems to be a
>>>     perennial topic. I
>>>     > suppose that is understandable, but for myself it is a horrible
>>>     idea. My
>>>     > reasons are several. First of all it is too much work. The
>>>     thought of
>>>     > developing the criteria, programs, and even worse, “protecting
>>>     the brand” is
>>>     > totally exhausting. We’d have to have certifiers to certify the
>>>     certifiers
>>>     > and so on ad infinitum. Second reason – Open Space seems to be
>>>     taking care
>>>     > of itself. When folks come on with “A little Open Space,” “Sort
>>>     of Open
>>>     > Space,” “Modified Open Space,” ... the participants (increasingly)
>>>     > understand that they aren’t getting the genuine article—and say
>>>     so. I recall
>>>     > one instance where a large gentleman stood up in the middle of
>>>     the “program”
>>>     > and loudly proclaimed, “This sure ain’t Open Space! I’m out of
>>>     here.” And he
>>>     > walked. I guess you could call that “Market Certification.”
>>>     Best of all  ---
>>>     > it works all by itself. One more thing not to do!!
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Harrison
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Harrison Owen
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