[OSList] Certification?
Michael M Pannwitz
mmpannwitz at gmail.com
Fri Aug 9 06:10:33 PDT 2013
Dear Eva,
if you sent me a piece of paper on which you have handdrawn a circle and
written "selforganisation" in Swedish into it, I will certify you for
whatever you want. But dont forget the 5000 Euro.
Cheers
mmp
On 09.08.2013 12:34, Eva P Svensson wrote:
> Here it comes again :-)
> Of course you can never certify someone and by that promise that the
> person will behave in a conform way. But I must say that I sometimes
> have missed some sort of certificate to at least know that the
> OS-facilitator have gone through some sort of training - not that that
> is a proof of success or anything but hopefully that person has been
> introduced to the essence of Open Space such as the marketplace, the
> principles, the law etc. That said is because I have sometimes got the
> reaction when I have talked about OST - "Oh that, we have tried open
> space and that was nothing for us" - and as I am a curious person of
> course I ask why, and when they start to explain how their open space
> experience was - I can say - "that was NOT open space". There have been
> cases where they had not had the freedom to choose topics, not have the
> freedom to use their feet and so on. And in my fantasy there will be
> less drifts from the original form with some kind of training followed
> by a certificate. And of course there is no proof that the certificate
> made the facilitator do it "the right way" we always do it our ways, but
> still - there is some essences that needs to be to call it Open Space -
> at least for me.
> My 2 cents
> :o)
> Eva
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> 9 aug 2013 kl. 06.45 skrev Chris Weaver:
>
>> Greetings All,
>>
>> Ah, I can't resist jumping in to stir the pot. It is an honor to join
>> a thread peopled by so many folks whom I respect (and appreciate and
>> love) so much. I invite you to settle in for rather a long story,
>> which may, at some point, have something to do with "certification."
>>
>> After learning of Open Space in Anne Stadler's kitchen, I walked
>> around as a newbie at the OSonOS in Monterrey (the one fifteen years
>> ago, from which Harrison was unexpectedly absent, due to a nasty flu,
>> I believe), with my jaw hanging open to meet so many bold and
>> brilliant facilitators (I remember especially Michael P, Alan Stewart,
>> Brian Bainbridge, Roxy, and Birgitt Bolton) sharing stories that I
>> sweetly strove to wrap my head at least half-way around.
>>
>> For a few years I engaged actively on the OSLIST as I began to
>> facilitate some OST meetings (without even "finishing the book," as I
>> recall) in the Seattle school where I worked as a teacher. In 1999 I
>> landed here in North Carolina, where I attended my first OST workshop
>> as part of the Genuine Contact Program with Birgitt (Bolton) Williams
>> who had recently landed a few hours away.
>>
>> Now I will say that I have an assumption only that at around that time
>> there was something of a "falling out" between Birgitt and her work
>> and the work of some other OS facilitators. I do not know, nor need
>> to know, the details. But I do know that there are some points of
>> practice that have generated some heated passion in the community and
>> that I think are worthy of putting on the storytelling table. (I know
>> that there is not supposed to be a table, but I suddenly imagine
>> myself with Jeff, Chris, Peggy, Harrison, Michael in a pub somewhere
>> with a rough wooden table, on which I am happily uncorking a bottle of
>> pinot noir.)
>>
>> When I completed the Genuine Contact "Working with OST" workshop, I
>> received a certificate, but not a certification. (The distinction is
>> important because there was no intention on the workshop leader's part
>> to evaluate my "competence" in any way.) Based on my participation in
>> the four-day experience, I could, if I chose, refer to myself as an
>> authorized "Genuine Contact professional." The workshop included an
>> exploration of the form & essence of OST, as gifted so effectively in
>> Harrison's /User's Guide. /The workshop also shared some suggested
>> approaches and tools for working in depth with the sponsor of an OST
>> meeting (usually a leadership team within an organization), both prior
>> to and after the OST event. My own understanding is that, by
>> referring to myself as a GC professional if I chose, I would be
>> sharing the simple message that I had had exposure to the approach of
>> using OST that included these pre- and post-OST meeting practices and
>> tools. The choice of whether and how to apply these practices and
>> tools was up to me.
>>
>> So that is the part that relates to this thread topic of
>> certification. As a practitioner, I honor the open-source nature of
>> OST as Harrison's "discovery" and gift to the world. I refer people
>> to the /User's Guide/ (and also the /Non-User's Guide /and other
>> community resources) frequently.
>>
>> As an aside, I continued in the years that followed to participate in
>> workshops on other methodologies that are shared through the Genuine
>> Contact Program (most notably /Whole Person Process Facilitation/,
>> which I use very often). I collaborated with my Genuine Contact
>> colleagues around the world in developing the minimal appropriate
>> structure for our international community. I participated in many
>> mentoring circles, completed the Train the Trainer workshop, and
>> became one of the 43 "co-owners" of the program. I also shifted my
>> virtual community participation to the GC List, and dropped off of the
>> OSLIST for a number of years. (I am enjoying being back.)
>>
>> So here, the plot thickens :-). One of the practices included in the
>> GC "Working with OST" workshop is the use of...the "givens." So,
>> lubricated with wine, I am going to place the notion of givens on the
>> wooden storytelling table for our enjoyment. (This is worthy of its
>> own thread, of course, but I'll just keep going here.)
>>
>> I have only infrequently worked as an external consultant/facilitator.
>> Most of my work with OST has been within schools and community
>> organizations. Over the years, I have come to value highly the
>> practices I learned in the GCP of working with the sponsor prior to
>> and after an OST (and I know that among other OST facilitators, pre-
>> and post- meetings such as these are skillfully used and valued).
>>
>> In my experience, the purpose of careful preparation with the
>> sponsoring team is to assist them in considering the state of their
>> organization. What is the story-line that has brought them to
>> considering an OST meeting? What's happening in terms of the grief
>> cycle within their organization? What (deeply now) is the /purpose/
>> of the meeting? What (deeply now) is the /context? /Basically, I ask
>> the questions, and the team has the conversations. All this I
>> explicitly place in the reality that when you sponsor an OST, there is
>> not, nor should there be, any turning back.
>>
>> I use the givens as an essential tool in this process. I draw a
>> circle on a flip chart and say, If this circle represents the open
>> space, what are the non-negotiables that form the parameters of the
>> open space?
>>
>> In the past, there have been passionate objections to this practice on
>> this list, based, I think, on the belief that to establish givens is
>> to close the space before it is even opened. My long-haul experience
>> within organizations has taught me something different.
>>
>> What happens when I ask what the non-negotiables are is that a bunch
>> of stuff goes up on the flip chart. Then, I probe each one, and ask,
>> "Is this REALLY a given at this time for this meeting?" The fifteen
>> givens get whittled down to twelve, and then eight, and then maybe
>> five (ish). As you can imagine, the level of trust that
>> organizational leaders have in the people plays in heavily. I let it
>> be. I cannot make them trust more; I can only model trust, and hold
>> space for trust.
>>
>> But I also find that the few givens that remain are, every time, very
>> important and meaningful. Some examples: Perhaps the organizational
>> purpose is a given, and perhaps there is value in re-sharing the
>> organizational purpose at the start of the OST. Perhaps there has
>> been a year of good work by a sub-group within the organization that
>> has culminated in a policy that not everyone attending the OST is
>> aware of, and that policy is a given. Perhaps a "law of the land"
>> that administrators, but not all participants, know about is a given.
>> Perhaps it is a given that the organization will stay within a
>> certain budget, and any ideas generated beyond the budget will have to
>> include the funding source to support them.
>>
>> Yes, the givens are shared with the group at the start of the OST. In
>> my experience, this does not close the space, but rather it opens the
>> space clearly and honestly. More importantly, it is a tool for
>> building trust. When participants hear their formal organizational
>> leaders share, clearly and transparently, what the givens are, they
>> are more trusting that their own ideas will be honored after the
>> meeting and not squelched.
>>
>> And this is what happens. Using givens is a way to profoundly
>> mitigate the phenomenon, with which any seasoned OST facilitator is
>> familiar, of leadership freaking out and clamping down on the results
>> of an OST. The practice does not (thankfully) prevent the productive
>> chaos and re-framing that happens after the meeting, but it greatly
>> reduces the phenomenon of /reactionary fear/ on the part of formal
>> leadership. The result is that leadership is more inclined to sponsor
>> another OST soon, and indeed to invite other groups withing the
>> organization to utilize OST themselves.
>>
>> Perhaps because I have worked inside organizations for many years, I
>> have a deep respect for the challenges that formal leaders face.
>> Perhaps an organization is possible without any formal leaders, but I
>> have not yet encountered this. In the school where I work, there is a
>> fragile and indeed even tender respect for our formal leaders whose
>> responsibility it is to hold the space for the organization in the
>> community. When leadership is in its integrity, followership is a
>> natural and beautiful thing.
>>
>> Okay, I will pour the last of the bottle into all the glasses. Sadly,
>> I won't hear your fine words until tomorrow, but so it is, according
>> to the odd and illusory parameters of space & time.
>>
>> Take Care, with Love,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Donna Read
>> <donna.read at managing4wellness.org
>> <mailto:donna.read at managing4wellness.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Amen to that, Harrison! Blessings, Donna
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 17:36, "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net
>> <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff – as a sometime perpetrator and totally confused
>>> (certifiable) I can attest that if at any point I were to
>>> intimate that I actually knew what I was doing, that would be a
>>> significant error. However I feel quite comfortable in my
>>> not-knowing if only because the “process” (OST) is not something
>>> I “do.” Under the best of circumstances my contribution is to
>>> invite folks to do what they already know how to do – to be what
>>> they already are. It always works, and it works even better when
>>> I get out of the way. ____
>>>
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Certification?____
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>>> having been trained by the motley lot who dreamed up this stuff,
>>> i can attest that even that great privilege does not mean that i
>>> know much or should be let near the folks in your organization.____
>>>
>>> ____
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>>> jeff.____
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Peggy Holman
>>> <peggy at peggyholman.com <mailto:peggy at peggyholman.com>> wrote:____
>>>
>>> To be certified confused…where do I sign up? ____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> Chris -- thanks for your decidedly clear and unconfused comments
>>> on certification. ____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> I seem to recall in some past conversation that rather than
>>> certification, lineage is alternative to the client conundrum of
>>> who am I hiring? To be trained by the creator, or by someone who
>>> trained with creator, on down the line seems to have worked for a
>>> variety of practice traditions through the ages.____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> Still no guarantee, as Chris noted below.____
>>>
>>> __ __
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>>> appreciatively,____
>>>
>>> Peggy ____
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>>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Chris Corrigan
>>> <chris at chriscorrigan.com <mailto:chris at chriscorrigan.com>> wrote:____
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Ohh I love this topic too, because as we go on and on it becomes
>>> clearer and clearer to me that Harrison's original idea (which
>>> predated Open Source) was sheer genius. There is an expression
>>> in english: "Closing the barn doors after the horse has left."
>>> It's too late to certify people in Open Space Technology, and
>>> thank God! ____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> You simply cannot certify people as a way to protect the brand
>>> and the reason is simple.____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> Certification is based on an industrial quality assurance model
>>> In other words, every product leaving the factory is guaranteed
>>> to work the way we say it is going to work. If it doesn't you
>>> can have your money back and we'll give you a new one that works.
>>> Every product can be tested before it leaves the factory to be
>>> sure it works reliably,____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> You simply cannot do that with facilitators. No amount of
>>> certification will guarantee that a client will get what they
>>> want every single time. And a facilitator taking a single
>>> training in Open Space or some other method will by definition
>>> NOT be perfect leaving the factory. You need to develop a
>>> practice, and even still there are contexts and situations that
>>> will challenge and surprise you. "Be Prepared to Be Surprised"
>>> is the only certification I can reliably give to anyone that has
>>> trained with me. We are not engineers, architects or doctors.
>>> We are people whose skill is in responding well to myriad and
>>> changing contexts.____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> The International Association of Facilitators went down this
>>> route. I have seen some horrible facilitation done by people who
>>> are certified by the IAF. So much so that I have no faith in
>>> that certification as standing for anything. It is a worthy idea
>>> but it simply cannot be implemented.____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> Open Space is a brand like brainstorming is a brand, like using
>>> markers and flipcharts is a brand, like parliamentary procedure
>>> is a brand. In a few more decades, with any luck, the world will
>>> have forgotten where it all came from and it will just become a
>>> basic operating system of groups. In the last 10 years that
>>> prospect has really come on as people have stolen, mashed up,
>>> mixed together, modified and redesigned Open Space Technology.
>>> Participatory process is becoming an acceptable way of doing
>>> things, and will only become more so. Most conference goers for
>>> example are now able to report on conference evaluations that
>>> they would have rather had a world cafe or an Open Space than a
>>> keynote address. I see it all the time. There is a fluency in
>>> the world with this method and others.____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> I fundamentally distrust anyone who makes a concerted effort to
>>> certify Open Space. If Harrison Owen, the guy that put it all
>>> down on paper, refuses to do it for excellent reasons, then I
>>> wonder what gives anyone else the right to do it. ____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> And for me that is a terrific example of how to steward something
>>> that really has an impact in the world. Offer it up and let it
>>> go and only defend it from those that would try to own it.
>>> Thankfully Open Space Technology I think is at a place in the
>>> world where it defies ownership. Anyone who tries it will simply
>>> be laughed off the stage. ____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> Chris____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Kári Gunnarsson
>>> <kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is <mailto:kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is>>
>>> wrote:____
>>>
>>> I love the Certification dialogue and I think that the recurrence of
>>> the dialogue is necessary. As I have looked around of things that
>>> trace there roots to open space or give the impression to be similar
>>> is some way. Some of these processes have the Certification hierarchy
>>> protecting the Quality of the Brand and the revenues steaming
>>> from the
>>> property that the brand name is.
>>>
>>> The hierarchy of the Certification process associated with Brand
>>> names
>>> is a way to close space and create tension witch in turn will
>>> fuel the
>>> flow of cash from the people that can pay, excluding the people that
>>> can not. It is an exercise in creating a closed system to fuel a
>>> business plan. And naturally, any start up consultancy offering some
>>> tools will need some flow of cash to pay the phone bill.
>>>
>>> When I was at Wosonon in Berlin back in 2010, I head one participant
>>> saying. "You always have the clients that you deserve".
>>>
>>> By knowing that the space for clients is well open and the law of
>>> mobility is active from them is perhaps a little scary. This
>>> scare can
>>> be remedied by letting go of the outcome and commit time to
>>> prepare to
>>> be of more benefit for my future clients.
>>>
>>> Here I have opened up many lines of thoughts that stay with me when I
>>> think about this topic. What I would like to have written down is
>>> some
>>> sort of vision on how to go about using the open space as a central
>>> idea and core philosophy in a practise.
>>>
>>> On Certification, my vote would go for "no central
>>> Certification", but
>>> I don't mind that various offspring's of Open Space go ahead and
>>> create there own brand name with the associated cash flow headaches
>>> and salaried sales staff of Certification trainings in there bid to
>>> get a bought with a handsome cash out from lager companies.
>>>
>>> That said, I would like to see more people get interested in the
>>> "boring" methought of meeting, working and begin together called open
>>> space.
>>>
>>> By the way, I am bored to tears by people hearing about open
>>> space and
>>> begin pissed off by the way open office layout (also called open
>>> space
>>> in my country) has been ruining there work experiences.
>>>
>>> This is starting to be a long rant, Ill stop now.
>>>
>>> With the breeze from Iceland
>>> Kári____
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 August 2013 14:50, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net
>>> <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>> > Certification (whatever that might mean) seems to be a
>>> perennial topic. I
>>> > suppose that is understandable, but for myself it is a horrible
>>> idea. My
>>> > reasons are several. First of all it is too much work. The
>>> thought of
>>> > developing the criteria, programs, and even worse, “protecting
>>> the brand” is
>>> > totally exhausting. We’d have to have certifiers to certify the
>>> certifiers
>>> > and so on ad infinitum. Second reason – Open Space seems to be
>>> taking care
>>> > of itself. When folks come on with “A little Open Space,” “Sort
>>> of Open
>>> > Space,” “Modified Open Space,” ... the participants (increasingly)
>>> > understand that they aren’t getting the genuine article—and say
>>> so. I recall
>>> > one instance where a large gentleman stood up in the middle of
>>> the “program”
>>> > and loudly proclaimed, “This sure ain’t Open Space! I’m out of
>>> here.” And he
>>> > walked. I guess you could call that “Market Certification.”
>>> Best of all ---
>>> > it works all by itself. One more thing not to do!!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Harrison
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Harrison Owen
>>> >
>>> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>> >
>>> > Potomac, MD 20854
>>> >
>>> > USA
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
>>> >
>>> > Camden, Maine 04843
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Phone 301-365-2093 <tel:301-365-2093>
>>> >
>>> > (summer) 207-763-3261 <tel:207-763-3261>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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