OSLIST Digest - 14 Feb 2010 to 15 Feb 2010 (#2010-39)

Skye Hirst skyeh at midcoast.com
Tue Feb 16 19:11:16 PST 2010


Thank you Suzanne for letting it all hang out just has you have. I am so
there with you in hibernation and need for rest, and so beginning to come
out from this time into readiness to join Waveriders everywhere. It's time
just as you say, Harrison.  Let's scale it up world wide, everywhere we are
being. It's doing nothing and everything and that's the new paradigm. Come
on world, let's open the space for all life.  Skye Hirst

Www.autognomics.org
Changing the conversation about what is life


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> There are 4 messages totalling 574 lines in this issue.
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> Topics of the day:
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>   1. Opening space 24X7 --Wave Riders Unite!
>   2. Seeking Language for "Leadership Team" (3)
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> Date:    Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:50:27 -0500
> From:    Suzanne Daigle <sdaigle4 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Opening space 24X7 --Wave Riders Unite!
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> Even in Florida,  we hibernate, without the snow but certainly with lots of
> cold this year.  Hibernating is what I have been doing after a
> "traumatizing" and "exhilarating" year  of personal growth in 2009 much of
> it instigated by Open Space which captured my soul and fought with my
> intellect.
> 
> Harrison's invitation last December "*Opening Space 24 X 7: Wave Rider's
> Unite" * attracted me because I read into it a collective "call to action"
> for what Open Space can offer to a world riddled with pain, fear, chaos,
> confusion and conflict...more than any of us have probably seen in our
> lifetime. It would seem that on the basis of this very great need, *we could
> just go do it!*
> 
> And yet for me, I had to pause, and open up time and space in my life before
> rushing right in.
> 
> Borrowing from a concept in Harrison's book *The Practice of Peace* in which
> he eloquently dummies up some of Ken Wilber's work, I can attest that a
> little over a year ago,  I was at the fourth level of consciousness called
> "Intellect" which means I valued *control, helping, fixing, doing, planning
> and the exhausting list goes on.  *Some days I'm still there though now I
> truly feel myself shifting to others places called Soul and Spirit, feeling
> the exhilaration and pain which puts me face to face with all those things
> that I used to do which don't make me proud.  Lucky, I am pretty good at
> self-compassion most days.
> 
> When you have lived the addiction of helping, fixing, and organizing it hits
> you hard and you have to heal a bit, forgiving your ego before you *jump
> right in*. At least that's what I've found myself doing. In hibernation, I
> have spent days and nights reading as I've never read before catching up on
> the great thinkers, philosophers, artists and scientists as if my life
> depended on it while also exercising, eating healthy, being quiet, etc. I
> needed this reflection time to connect Open Space with the bigger picture
> and to let it sink in. I needed to prepare by "not doing" and this has been
> the most difficult thing to do,  knowing the great pain and need out there
> everywhere that so pulls us to do and fix.
> 
> Now if I am sharing this very personal journey with you, as the Open Space
> beginner and facilitator that I was,  it is to gift this community back with
> the gratitude I feel for the path I am on. I also want to say there are lots
> of "me's" out there ready to be ignited and to be re-engaged in the "being
> and doing" of their lives, which I think is the way nature intends us to
> live our lives. Many are the corporate folks, like me, consumed and rushed
> on the fast treadmill of death, stressed out and so exhausted without even
> knowing it. Lots of breathing out, no time for breathing in. Wave Riders and
> Peacemakers are needed.  People need to hear and feel our invitation in more
> places, more often.
> 
> I know my journey is not unique and that the route that gets us there may be
> different but what I want to do in the most vulnerable way is say thank you
> to so many including Brian, who touched my soul more than I knew. He must be
> looking down on us now with that glint in his eye.  In the meantime, even in
> hibernation, I still did Open Space just last week with a small group of
> girl scouts and the magic overwhelmed me again as I felt their joy, energy
> and gratitude to just talk which they said they never really get a chance to
> do.
> 
> So yes Harrison and others, I am in serious preparation to be Opening Space
> 24X7, wherever, whenever with whoever but I had a lot of internal work to do
> before I could be ready. It's getting closer but I'm not quite there yet.
> I'm working on the "being" that goes with invitation imagining what it would
> have taken me to be convinced to host an Open Space.  And that is hard work
> cause it would have taken a lot for the "unconscious" me to have had the
> courage to open space and time in the midst of what feels like crisis on top
> of crisis. I know that it will be my intention more than my words that will
> create the opportunity.
> 
> So thank you all on this US President's Day, a day after Valentines.
> Hopefully others will join in to share their thoughts and let it all hang
> out.
> Suzanne
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>>  Several days ago I sent a note to what I thought was going to be a small
>> group of friends, inviting thinking about opening space every day, what that
>> might mean, and how to accomplish all that in specifics. In effect, I was
>> taking off from my book "Wave Rider" which is my best shot on the subject to
>> date -- with the expectation that there is much more "out there" in terms of
>> ideas and actions. Along the way I did suggest that OST (as the meeting
>> approach) might be getting in the way of the larger discussion. Even worse,
>> I facetiously (jokingly) invited everybody to join "The Imperial Society of
>> Wave Riders!" Well you can imagine the uproar this caused. Here I am
>> suggesting that we eliminate OST and become imperialists! Not a good day --
>> but I do think the proposed discussion has merit. In fact from where I sit
>> it may just be the most important discussion we could have.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Given the state of the world (no need for detailed analysis) superior human
>> performance achieved in a peaceful fashion seems like a very good idea. Or
>> put another way how do we find the intelligence and energy to deal with the
>> massive issues we face without killing each other? I believe that the 25
>> year Open Space experiment has clearly shown that superior performance in a
>> peaceful manner can be achieved any time we open space. It may not be
>> perfect, but it works better than just about anything else, and for sure it
>> is a lot less work. The reason for all this is that we are not really doing
>> anything. Rather, we are inviting the system (business, family,
>> organization) to do what it can do all by itself. Self organize. We are just
>> helping people to notice that -- and when they do magic seems to happen.
>> Peace and high performance show up. If we are honest about it, I think we
>> might realize that OST is in some real ways a fraud and a joke, at least it
>> becomes all that if we take credit for the power and effect of the process,
>> and the special way that we might "do" it. Rather like taking credit for the
>> power and effect of gravity -- which will continue no matter what we do!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Anyhow, I believe the community that gathers here online (and anybody else
>> who cares to join us) is uniquely positioned to engage in this discussion
>> not just at a theoretical level but at a very solid practical level. We have
>> the shared experience of hundreds of thousands of Open Spaces. And we have
>> something else -- the shared experience of life in our community. As the
>> world might see it the "Open Space Community" is a pretty strange thing. It
>> has no boundaries, no formal organization, leadership, or corporate status.
>> Membership is pretty much whoever shows up -- and the party has been going
>> on for 25 years. Odd but very effective. Indeed there are multiple formal
>> organizations in the world who with might greater effort have accomplished
>> substantially less. Think about it! Multiple Global and regional meetings. A
>> world wide reach. More training programs than you can name. And absolutely
>> nobody is in charge. There has never been a Business Plan, and if a budget
>> exists it has never been found. Is it all just a gossamer dream, a fanciful
>> delusion, or something much deeper and more important? I vote for the
>> latter. I think this is a conversation that needs to happen, not to the
>> exclusion of all others, but this is where my passion is.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Anyhow I invite you to share and think about our common experience -- and
>> let our experience be our guide. As a starting point we might just begin
>> with invitation. What would happen if all our projects began with invitation
>> as opposed to assignment?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Harrison
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> Even in Florida,=A0 we hibernate, without the snow but certainly with lots =
> of cold this year.=A0 Hibernating is what I have been doing after a "t=
> raumatizing" and "exhilarating" year=A0 of personal growth i=
> n 2009 much of it instigated by Open Space which captured my soul and fough=
> t with my intellect. <br>
> <br>Harrison's invitation last December "<b>Opening Space 24 X 7: =
> Wave Rider's Unite"=A0</b> attracted me because I read into it a c=
> ollective "call to action" for what Open Space can offer to a wor=
> ld riddled with pain, fear, chaos, confusion and conflict...more than any o=
> f us have probably seen in our lifetime. It would seem that on the basis of=
>  this very great need, <b>we could just go do it!</b>=A0 <br>
> <br>And yet for me, I had to pause, and open up time and space in my life b=
> efore rushing right in. <br><br>Borrowing from a concept in Harrison's =
> book <u>The Practice of Peace</u> in which he eloquently dummies up some of=
>  Ken Wilber's work, I can attest that a little over a year ago,=A0 I wa=
> s at the fourth level of consciousness called "Intellect" which m=
> eans I valued <b>control, helping, fixing, doing, planning and the exhausti=
> ng list goes on.=A0 </b>Some days I'm still there though now I truly fe=
> el myself shifting to others places called Soul and Spirit, feeling the exh=
> ilaration and pain which puts me face to face with all those things that I =
> used to do which don't make me proud.=A0 Lucky, I am pretty good at sel=
> f-compassion most days. <br>
> <br>When you have lived the addiction of helping, fixing, and organizing it
> hits you hard and you have to heal a bit, forgiving your ego before you
> <b>jump right in</b>. At least that's what I've found myself doing.=
>  In
> hibernation, I have spent days and nights reading as I've never read
> before catching up on the great thinkers, philosophers, artists and
> scientists as if my life depended on it while also exercising, eating
> healthy, being quiet, etc. I needed this reflection time to connect Open Sp=
> ace with the bigger picture and to let it sink in. I needed to prepare by &=
> quot;not doing" and this has been the most difficult thing to do,=A0 k=
> nowing the great pain and need out there everywhere that so pulls us to do =
> and fix. <br>
> 
> <br>Now if I am sharing this very personal journey with you, as the Open Sp=
> ace beginner and facilitator that I was,=A0 it is to gift this community ba=
> ck with the gratitude I feel for the path I am on. I also want to say there=
>  are lots of "me's" out there ready to be ignited and to be r=
> e-engaged in the "being and doing" of their lives, which I think =
> is the way nature intends us to live our lives. Many are the corporate folk=
> s, like me, consumed and rushed on the fast treadmill of death, stressed ou=
> t
> and so exhausted without even knowing it. Lots of breathing out, no time fo=
> r breathing in. Wave Riders and Peacemakers are needed.=A0 People need to h=
> ear and feel our invitation in more places, more often.<br>
> <br>I know my journey is not unique and that the route that gets us there m=
> ay be different but what I want to do in the most vulnerable way is say tha=
> nk you to so many including Brian, who touched my soul more than I knew. He=
>  must be looking down on us now with that glint in his eye. =A0In the meant=
> ime, even in hibernation, I still did Open Space just last week with a smal=
> l group of girl scouts and the magic overwhelmed me again as I felt their j=
> oy, energy and gratitude to just talk which they said they never really get=
>  a chance to do.=A0 <br>
> <br>So yes Harrison and others, I am in serious preparation to be Opening S=
> pace 24X7, wherever, whenever with whoever but I had a lot of internal work=
>  to do before I could be ready. It's getting closer but I'm not qui=
> te there yet. I'm working on the "being" that goes with invit=
> ation imagining what it would have taken me to be convinced to host an Open=
>  Space.=A0 And that is hard work cause it would have taken a lot for the &q=
> uot;unconscious" me to have had the courage to open space and time in =
> the midst of what feels like crisis on top of crisis. I know that it will b=
> e my intention more than my words that will create the opportunity. <br>
> <br>So thank you all on this US President's Day, a day after Valentines=
> . Hopefully others will join in to share their thoughts and let it all hang=
>  out.<br>Suzanne<br><br><br><br>=A0 <br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
> te">
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Harrison Owen <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hre=
> f=3D"mailto:hhowen at verizon.net">hhowen at verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br=
>> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204,=
>  204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> <div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US">
> 
> <div>
> 
> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Several days ago I sent a note to what I thought was=
>  going
> to be a small group of friends, inviting thinking about opening space every
> day, what that might mean, and how to accomplish all that in specifics. In
> effect, I was taking off from my book "Wave Rider" which is my be=
> st
> shot on the subject to date -- with the expectation that there is much more
> "out there" in terms of ideas and actions. Along the way I did
> suggest that OST (as the meeting approach) might be getting in the way of t=
> he
> larger discussion. Even worse, I facetiously (jokingly) invited everybody t=
> o
> join "The Imperial Society of Wave Riders!" Well you can imagine =
> the
> uproar this caused. Here I am suggesting that we eliminate OST and become
> imperialists! Not a good day -- but I do think the proposed discussion has
> merit. In fact from where I sit it may just be the most important discussio=
> n we
> could have.</p>
> 
> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
> 
> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Given the state of the world (no need for detailed a=
> nalysis)
> superior human performance achieved in a peaceful fashion seems like a very
> good idea. Or put another way how do we find the intelligence and energy to
> deal with the massive issues we face without killing each other? I believe =
> that
> the 25 year Open Space experiment has clearly shown that superior performan=
> ce
> in a peaceful manner can be achieved any time we open space. It may not be
> perfect, but it works better than just about anything else, and for sure it=
>  is
> a lot less work. The reason for all this is that we are not really doing
> anything. Rather, we are inviting the system (business, family, organizatio=
> n) to
> do what it can do all by itself. Self organize. We are just helping people =
> to
> notice that -- and when they do magic seems to happen. Peace and high
> performance show up. If we are honest about it, I think we might realize th=
> at
> OST is in some real ways a fraud and a joke, at least it becomes all that i=
> f we
> take credit for the power and effect of the process, and the special way th=
> at
> we might "do" it. Rather like taking credit for the power and eff=
> ect
> of gravity -- which will continue no matter what we do!</p>
> 
> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
> 
> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Anyhow, I believe the community that gathers here on=
> line (and
> anybody else who cares to join us) is uniquely positioned to engage in this
> discussion not just at a theoretical level but at a very solid practical le=
> vel.
> We have the shared experience of hundreds of thousands of Open Spaces. And =
> we
> have something else -- the shared experience of life in our community. As t=
> he
> world might see it the "Open Space Community" is a pretty strange
> thing. It has no boundaries, no formal organization, leadership, or corpora=
> te
> status. Membership is pretty much whoever shows up -- and the party has bee=
> n
> going on for 25 years. Odd but very effective. Indeed there are multiple fo=
> rmal
> organizations in the world who with might greater effort have accomplished
> substantially less. Think about it! Multiple Global and regional meetings. =
> A
> world wide reach. More training programs than you can name. And absolutely =
> nobody
> is in charge. There has never been a Business Plan, and if a budget exists =
> it
> has never been found. Is it all just a gossamer dream, a fanciful delusion,=
>  or
> something much deeper and more important? I vote for the latter. I think th=
> is
> is a conversation that needs to happen, not to the exclusion of all others,=
>  but
> this is where my passion is.</p>
> 
> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
> 
> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Anyhow I invite you to share and think about our com=
> mon
> experience -- and let our experience be our guide. As a starting point we m=
> ight
> just begin with invitation. What would happen if all our projects began wit=
> h
> invitation as opposed to assignment?</p>
> 
> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
> 
> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
> 
> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Harrison =A0</p>
> 
> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
> 
> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
> 
> </div>
> 
> </div>
> 
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> Date:    Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:57:30 -0800
> From:    Peggy Holman <peggy at opencirclecompany.com>
> Subject: Re: Seeking Language for "Leadership Team"
> 
> We used to use the term Stewards to describe the people who held the space for
> the Spirited Work community.
> 
> Peggy
> 
> 
> On Feb 14, 2010, at 1:15 AM, Katia Van Belle wrote:
> 
>> How about 'design team' or 'coordinating team'?
>> Those are names we often use in Appreciative Inquiry and it allows for a lot
>> of openness in who is part of the group.
>> 
>> In an NGO I am part of, the group of people who organise the next gathering
>> are called 'organising committee'. A bit more serious perhaps...
>> 
>> Katia
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> Date:    Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:06:27 -0800
> From:    John Rapp <jfs.rapp at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Seeking Language for "Leadership Team"
> 
> Consider "animateur" as well. Whoever does OS in France can clarify
> this? thx
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Peggy Holman
> <peggy at opencirclecompany.com> wrote:
> 
>> We used to use the term Stewards to describe the people who held the
>> space for the Spirited Work community.
>> 
>> Peggy
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 14, 2010, at 1:15 AM, Katia Van Belle wrote:
>> 
>>> How about 'design team' or 'coordinating team'?
>>> Those are names we often use in Appreciative Inquiry and it allows
>>> for a lot of openness in who is part of the group.
>>> 
>>> In an NGO I am part of, the group of people who organise the next
>>> gathering are called 'organising committee'. A bit more serious
>>> perhaps...
>>> 
>>> Katia
>>> 
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> Date:    Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:45:37 -0700
> From:    Raffi Aftandelian <raffi_1970 at YAHOO.COM>
> Subject: Re: Seeking Language for "Leadership Team"
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> ashley,
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> a number of us here are in a similar situation. one of the things we call=
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> ourselves is "firekeepers." ...
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> wormly,
> wroffi
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