re honouring each other

[Michael Herman]

just to be clear about one thing, holger... you said...
*
> This list has a long history, and obviously
people like that history. History brings togetherness, whether the tool is
"owned" by somebody or not (by the way - I have never felt that Michael owns
this space. I am sure a lot of people didn't even know until last week). We
have been here for a long time, and it is difficult to move into a new
house.*

...and i want to say that i do not own the oslist.  most recently, i was
referring only to the history that is held in the pages of
openspaceworld.org.

murli nagasundaram is the guy who first invited us (here) to boise state,
and has been the nominal owner as far as the boise state list admin folks
are concerned.  my earliest observation in this thread, about the oslist
ownership, was just to point out that if boise state decided to change their
systems, we have no control at all over that.  for now, we are just lucky
that we have murli -- and also lucky that the admin guys like him/us well
enough that we've worked out an arrangement through which the admin guys
will to look after us, even if murli were to leave the uni.

so none of us really owns the oslist, and for the last 13 years, it is
working just fine.  to paraphrase ralph, the space doesn't care who owns it.

m


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On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation) <
holger at change-facilitation.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:04:49 -0800, Karen Sella <karen at luminacoaching.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >... being open-minded, I
> >followed the link in your invitation, and upon arriving there was
> >disappointed to find more negative commentary about Michael and his
> website
> >amidst more productive suggestions about possible options.
> >
> >
>
> Thanks for pointing that out Karen. I was tempted to follow Kaliya's link
> although, as I said before, virtual work for me is very much about trust
> building. This entire conversation over the last couple of days has helped
> me to build trust in a couple of people, including you, Karen. It has also
> strengthened my trust in Michael and my appreciation for his generosity.
>
> If the new list of Kaliya is about continuing this conversation and calling
> upon somebody who is not even there, I can just say: good luck. I won't be
> there. And maybe Kaliya, you might learn a lesson: Virtual collaboration is
> not about tools at all, it is not about standards, wikis, nings, lists etc.
> At the heart of virtual collaboration is the desire of togetherness. I can
> be together with people on a Listserv, in a Ning group, in a Skype group
> chat, in a VoIP conversation, on a Wiki, and in many other ways (I just
> learned that over the last months). At the end, tools make our live easier.
> But what counts are the hearts and souls of people. If we reduce the
> virtual
> collaboration discussion to tools and standards, we miss the esential
> point.
> This is why I continue to hang out here, and this is why I keep observing
> the growth of the Ning gourp (which isn't yet really close in spirit to
> this
> list here. But I hope it will develop).
>
> This brings me to another point: > So I predict that this list will
> continue for quite a while. Fine
> with me!
>
> Michael, sending you a lot of hugs and affection. Thanks again for what you
> are doing to the community!
>
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