Begining in OS
David Vachell
david.vachell at btconnect.com
Thu May 7 04:49:01 PDT 2009
Dear all
Many thanks for your responses to my post.
Especially to Harrison for his reassuring words (esp. it's mainstream now) -
I'd hate to be thought of too left of field :-).
Also to Catherine for her tip (I find occasions for OS every day, simply by
reading the newspaper). I will start to build my plan around the excuse this
gives me to read the paper.
I understand the completion issues that Jack mentions, although I am
surprised (and pleased since it implies a healthy market) that this is felt
to be so intense for OS. I still try to follow the principal of abundance by
which we are enriched by working together rather than impoverished by
competing.
Thanks for the book reference Michael. I have read Capra and like his work,
I have ordered your suggestion from Amazon - I will have difficulty getting
to Tai Wan but I would be interested if there are any training courses in
the UK coming up.
And Shikha - thanks - you definitely didn't bore me.
I will take your thoughts and apply them.
Best regards
David
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>From Thu May 7 11:34:54 2009
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Subject: YouTube play list?
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Hi--
NCDD has created a playlist on YouTube of Dialogue and Deliberation
videos.
That might be a good idea for OS videos.
I am willing to learn how to create such a list if you are willing to
help collect the links to the videos (and maybe hold my hand as I learn
how to do this!).
Anybody want to play?
:- Doug.
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>From Thu May 7 11:49:14 2009
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From: douglas germann <76066.515 at compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Necessity of space
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Christy--
Wow! You have left me saying Wow!
What an evocative notion--the space is alive. Is this true? Can we make
it so? Can we at least meet it so?
There are excerpts of Alexander's 4th book here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=6CIHB3_1tLMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=christopher+alexander+nature+of+order#PPA1,M1
I have found his writing evocative as well. His books are huge, and sell
by the pound. Now I have to mortgage my house to get these books....
What do you suppose might be the recursive structures built up in open
space?
Harrison said that it takes a lifetime to explore open space, and here
for me is a new main artery.
Catherine, I like your image of a porous embrace. How do you see time
fitting into this living space of recursive structures? Could you say a
little more, please?
Still pondering....
:- Doug.
On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 23:09 -0700, Christy Lee-Engel wrote:
> Hi dear Doug,
>
> Well, your question reminds me of hearing friends talk about architect
> Christopher Alexander's work, in which he emphasizes that "space must
> be considered an almost living entity – a kind of stuff which,
> depending on the recursive structures that are built up in it, becomes
> progressively more and more alive."
>
> So that space can be more alive or less alive.
>
> I haven't read Alexander's 4-Volume "The Nature of Order" yet, and so
> I don't know what "these fifteen properties" are - but this quote from
> a book review makes me want to read it and find out!:
>
> "Systems in space which have these fifteen properties to a strong
> degree will be alive, and the more these properties are present, the
> more the systems which contain them will tend to be alive."
>
>
> http://natureoforder.com/overview.htm
>
>
> love & blessings,
>
> Christy
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5/5/09, douglas germann <76066.515 at compuserve.com> wrote:
> Hi space dancers:
>
> Recently someone pointed us to a poem about how open spaces
> are
> necessary for a fire. It has had me pondering.
>
> At first I said, Sure, she is speaking of oxygen. Fires need
> oxygen. Now
> I am not so sure that is what she meant, or at least what is
> true. So I
> am asking you my friends, what you have observed.
>
> Just how important is the physical space for opening space? I
> am not
> talking about amenities like chairs and windows and air, nor
> about the
> exact number of square meters needed per person (this is
> cultural: some
> cultures want to be close enough to feel each other's breath;
> some want
> more distance). In Open Space Online we have a metaphorical
> space for
> our chats; in face to face, we have that physical space. Is
> that space
> in the center of the circle a separate, unnoticed but
> essential, element
> in conversation?
>
> The flames need to lick upwards, the heat needs someplace to
> go, the
> light needs to escape. The betweens are necessary to give
> birth to the
> what and who is emerging from our collective. What is the role
> of space?
>
> :- Doug.
>
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