OSLIST Digest - 24 May 2009 to 25 May 2009 (#2009-133)
douglas germann
76066.515 at compuserve.com
Tue May 26 18:44:37 PDT 2009
Bhav--
Even if the engineer would have been there if forced to be, he would not
have been there.
:- Doug.
On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 09:12 +0800, Bhavesh Patel wrote:
> Dear Harrison and friends,
>
> My Boss raised an interesting question and I would love to hear your
> experience on this issue.
>
> He cited the Boeing doors example and then challenged the idea of
> INVITATION. He said in a business organisation, some key people just
> have to be there, they can't have a choice about coming.
>
> So I explained to him that in the Pre-OST stage, there is a lot of
> work done with the Sponsor group looking at questions like that,
> however ultimately people must individually choose to be there or not.
>
> So then he said well what if in the Boeing example, one of the key
> technicians, essential for the whole process, decided not to turn up
> because he had booked a holiday and just didn't want to miss it.
>
> This does raise an interesting question about whether people can
> really be free to choose.
>
> PLEASE PLEASE share your experiences with me because having
> facilitated a number of OSTs, I am convinced about how it works, and
> the also the deeper aspects that emerge from it.
>
> Thanks Bhav...
>
>
>
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> Topics of the day: 1. anti laws 2. Anti Laws of OST (6) * *
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> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:29:13 +1000 From: Andrew Rixon Subject: Re: anti laws Ah yes, I never cease to marvel at the opportunities we have to "live vicariously through others". :) Warm regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/ Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story at a time". Download the interactive brochure here. -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Raffi Aftandelian Sent: Monday, 25 May 2009 8:33 AM To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU Subject: [OSLIST] anti laws andrew and all, i've sometimes pondered the "Low of too feat": Others take responsibility for what *I* love as an act of service or If I'm neither learning nor contributing everyone else should leave ... and by extension-- bumblebees are those who go and sting others in as many groups as possible. and butterflies? yes, it does jangle the senses a little bit...but perhaps something to bee desired from thyme to thyme? wormly, wroffi * * ========================================================== OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ----------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ----------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:43:33 +0100 From: Derrick Mathews Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C9DD47.2E097CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andrew I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the principles. First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the most important concept here)-organisation which involved participation or non-participation which involves human choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's not ours to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song lol) your choice to let things happen is an intervention and so you have influenced the process making what happens the only thing that could have. If you do not turn up then you have had an influence of non-influence on the process and outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the right people. What ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a different way and as I stated above what then happens is the only thing that could have. Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to start it and you are "involved" or "not" which still has impact and similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is over via group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is over. Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect all around us. We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive way. Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that folks know OST has happened? I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great group of young people (that's anyone younger than me) from about 9 different parts of Europe who had come together In Londonderry to be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. One participant selected the swimming pool as an additional breakout space and it was one of the best attended sessions with the details of the conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the water. Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is; Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have happened Regards Derrick Why not check out our website to view our services . www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with tomorrow." Soon to be 2Wolves Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting 22 Bridge Street Kilkeel Co. Down BT34 4AD Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591 Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162 Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090 E-Mail: derrick at derrickmathewsconsulting.co.uk www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk Skype: derrick.mathews You can also find me on Facebook Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | Training Open Space Technology Facilitation Helping Organisations to Chart their Course _____ From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, Recently I've been pondering / wondering about what might be the Anti-laws of OST. For instance. "What isn't happening are all the things that should be" Or "What didn't happen are all the things that should have" As opposed to. "Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did" What are your thoughts on other "complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/ Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story at a time". Download the interactive brochure here . * * ========================================================== OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ----------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C9DD47.2E097CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Hi Andrew
>
> I am unsure if you can have anti laws with = regard to=20 the
> principles.
>
> First of all the process is based on = "SELF"=20 (the most
> important concept here)-organisation which involved =
> participation or=20 non-participation which involves human
> choice. Even if you adopt a = Doris=20 Day approach (Que
> Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's = not
> ours=20 to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age away
> knowing this song lol) = your=20 choice to let things happen
> is an intervention and so you have = influenced the=20 process
> making what happens the only thing that could=20 have.
>
> If you do not turn up then you have = had an=20 influence of
> non-influence on the process and outcome so you have = been=20
> involved and have been part of the right = people.
>
> What ever happens is the only thing = as if you=20 are
> "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, =
> likewise if you=20 are "involved" via no-involvement you
> affect the dynamic in a different = way and=20 as I stated
> above what then happens is the only thing that could=20 have.
>
> Likewise when it starts is because = someone made=20 a choice
> to start it and you are "involved" or "not" which still has =
> impact and=20 similarly it's over because there is a choice
> made that it is over via = group=20 consensus or an
> individual's choice that for them it is=20 over.
>
> Everything is in some way linked and=20 interdependent and
> what we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect = all=20
> around us.
>
> We just need to always endeavour to = impact in a=20 positive
> way.
>
> Anyhoo, hope this adds to the=20 confusion.
>
> =20
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------------------------
> And on another thread, where are the = most=20 unusual
> places that folks know OST has=20 happened?
>
> I recently had the pleasure of = opening space=20 for a great
> group of young people (that's anyone younger than me) =
> from =20 about 9 different parts of Europe who had come
> together In Londonderry = to be=20 involved in an Up-cycling
> project of Trash to Treasure which also = involved a 1=20 day
> OS.
>
> One participant selected the swimming = pool as=20 an
> additional breakout space and it was one of the best attended
> = sessions with=20 the details of the conversation recorded at
> the side of the pool by = anyone out=20 of the water.
>
> Maybe the fifth unspoken principle=20 is;
> Where ever it happens is the right = place/only=20 place it
> could have happened
>
>
> Regards
>
> Derrick
>
>
>
>
> Why not check out our website to view our=20 services .
> www.DerrickMathewsCon= sulting.co.uk=20
>
>
> "Let the=20 choices you make today, be the choices you can
> live with=20 tomorrow."
>
> Soon to be 2Wolves =
>
> Derrick Mathews = Associates=20 Consulting
>
> 22 Bridge=20 Street
>
> Kilkeel
>
> Co. = Down
> BT34 = 4AD
> Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266=20 2591
> Fax: +=20 44 (0) 28 4176 1162
> Mobile: + 44 (0) = 7870 136 090=20
> E-Mail: derrick at derrickmat= hewsconsulting.co.uk=20
> www.DerrickMa= thewsConsulting.co.uk
> Skype:=20 derrick.mathews
> You can also find me on=20 Facebook
>
> Facilitation=20 | Mentoring | Coaching | Training
> Open Space Technology=20 Facilitation
>
> Helping = Organisations to Chart=20 their Course
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> From: OSLIST=20 [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Andrew=20 Rixon
> Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10
> To:=20 OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Anti Laws of=20 OST
>
>
>
> Dear=20 All,
>
>
>
> Recently I’ve been = pondering /=20 wondering about what might
> be the Anti-laws of = OST.
>
>
>
> For=20 instance.
>
>
>
> “What isn’t = happening are all the=20 things that should be”
>
>
>
> Or
>
>
>
> “What didn’t = happen are all the=20 things that should have”
>
>
>
> As opposed=20 to…
>
>
>
> “Whatever happens is = the only thing=20 that could have or
> did”
>
>
>
> What are your thoughts on = other=20 “complimentary”
> anti-laws? J
>
>
>
> Warm=20 regards,
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> --
>
> Andrew Rixon=20 PhD
> Director
> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
> Skype: = AndrewJRixon
> Mobile:=20 0400 352 809
> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.comURL:
> http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>
>
> Interested in Story=20 and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our
> national conference October 8 and = 9th=20 titled:
> "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story at a time". =
> Download=20 the interactive brochure here.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> * *=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To = subscribe,=20 unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of=20 oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu:=20 http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about=20 OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: = http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist=20 * * =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ----------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C9DD47.2E097CC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:58:49 -0400 From: Harrison Owen Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C9DD49.52B2A400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one = law are neither laws nor principles actually. To be honest they are just my = (and others') observations of what seemed to be happening in any case. In a = word they are descriptive as opposed to descriptive - You could say it is all = a joke. Rather like "technology" in the phrase Open Space Technology. The joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny - because somehow or another truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows = that what happens in Open Space simply can't happen. Unfortunately it does - = and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff - like most of what = we think we know about meetings, the management of meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!! =20 Harrison =20 Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20854 Phone 301-365-2093 Skype hhowen Open Space Training = www.openspaceworld.com Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org Personal website www.ho-image.com=20 OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the = archives Visit: www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html =20 -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of = Derrick Mathews Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST =20 Hi Andrew =20 I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the principles. =20 First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the most important concept here)-organisation which involved participation or non-participation = which involves human choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach (Que = Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's not ours to see, que = serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song lol) your choice to let things happen is an intervention and so you have influenced the process making what happens the only thing that could have. =20 If you do not turn up then you have had an influence of non-influence = on the process and outcome so you have been involved and have been part of = the right people. =20 What ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are = "involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a different way and as I = stated above what then happens is the only thing that could have. =20 Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to start it and = you are "involved" or "not" which still has impact and similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is over via group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is over. =20 Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what we choose = to do or not do, ripples out to affect all around us. =20 We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive way. =20 Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion. =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------------------------------------------- And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that folks know = OST has happened? =20 I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great group of young people (that's anyone younger than me) from about 9 different parts of Europe who had come together In Londonderry to be involved in an = Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. =20 =20 One participant selected the swimming pool as an additional breakout = space and it was one of the best attended sessions with the details of the conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the = water. =20 Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is; Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have = happened =20 =20 Regards =20 Derrick =20 =20 =20 Why not check out our website to view our services . www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk =20 =20 "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with = tomorrow." Soon to be 2Wolves =20 Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting=20 22 Bridge Street Kilkeel Co. Down BT34 4AD Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591 Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162 Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090=20 E-Mail: derrick at derrickmathewsconsulting.co.uk=20 www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk Skype: derrick.mathews You can also find me on Facebook =20 Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | Training Open Space Technology Facilitation =20 Helping Organisations to Chart their Course =20 =20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, =20 Recently I've been pondering / wondering about what might be the = Anti-laws of OST. =20 For instance. =20 "What isn't happening are all the things that should be" =20 Or =20 "What didn't happen are all the things that should have" =20 As opposed to. =20 "Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did" =20 What are your thoughts on other "complimentary" anti-laws? :-) =20 Warm regards, Andrew =20 -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162=20 Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/ Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching = change one story at a time". Download the interactive brochure here . =20 =20 * * = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To = subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: = http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist=20 =20 * * = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To = subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: = http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ----------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C9DD49.52B2A400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Just to render the whole thing = non-sensical, the 4
> principles and one law are neither laws nor principles
> actually. = To be honest they are just my (and others’)
> observations of what seemed = to be happening in any case. In
> a word they are descriptive as opposed to = descriptive – You
> could say it is all a joke. Rather like = “technology” in the
> phrase Open Space Technology. The joke, however turned out to
> be outrageously funny – because somehow or another truth broke
> = through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows that
> what happens in Open Space = simply can’t happen.
> Unfortunately it does – and that makes a joke = out of a whole
> mess of other stuff – like most of what we think we know =
> about meetings, the management of meetings, and management
> itself. Double = trouble!!
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
> Harrison = Owen
>
> 7808 River Falls = Drive
>
> Potomac, Maryland 20854
>
> Phone =301-365-2093
>
> Skype = hhowen
>
> Open Space = Training www.openspaceworld.com
>
> Open Space = Institute www.openspaceworld.org
>
> Personal = website www.ho-image.com =
>
> OSLIST: = To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view
> the archives Visit:
> =www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.h= tml
>
>
>
>
> -----Original = Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf
> Of Derrick Mathews
> Sent: Monday, May 25, = 2009 9:44 AM
> To: = OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST
>
>
>
> Hi Andrew
>
>
>
> I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the =
> principles.
>
>
>
> First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the most
> important concept here)-organisation which involved
> participation or non-participation = which involves human
> choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach (Que = Serra,
> Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's not ours to
> see, que = serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing this
> song lol) your choice to let = things happen is an
> intervention and so you have influenced the process making =
> what happens the only thing that could have.
>
>
>
> If you do not turn up then you have had an influence of
> non-influence on = the process and outcome so you have been
> involved and have been part of the = right people.
>
>
>
> What ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved"
> your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if
> you are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic
> in a = different way and as I stated above what then happens
> is the only thing that could = have.
>
>
>
> Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to
> start it and you are "involved" or "not" which still has
> impact and = similarly it's over because there is a choice
> made that it is over via group = consensus or an individual's
> choice that for them it is = over.
>
>
>
> Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what
> we choose to do or not = do, ripples out to affect all around
> us.
>
>
>
> We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive =
> way.
>
>
>
> Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion.
>
>
>
> = ;
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------------------------=
>
> And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that
> folks know = OST has happened?
>
>
>
> I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great group
> of young = people (that's anyone younger than me) from about
> 9 different parts of = Europe who had come together In
> Londonderry to be involved in an Up-cycling = project of Trash
> to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. =
>
>
>
> One participant selected the swimming pool as an additional
> breakout space = and it was one of the best attended sessions
> with the details of the = conversation recorded at the side of
> the pool by anyone out of the = water.
>
>
>
> Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;
>
> Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could
> have = happened
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Derrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Why not check out our website to view our = services .
> www.DerrickMathewsCon= sulting.co.uk
>
>
>
> "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live
> with = tomorrow."
>
> Soon to be = 2Wolves
>
> Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting
>
> 22 = Bridge Street
>
> Kilkeel
>
> Co. = Down
>
> BT34 = 4AD
>
> Tel: = + 44 (0) 560 266 2591
>
> Fax: = + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162
>
> Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 = 090
>
> E-Mail: derrick at derrickmat= hewsconsulting.co.uk
>
> www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>
> Skype: = derrick.mathews
>
> You can also find me on = Facebook
>
>
>
> Facilitation = | Mentoring | Coaching | Training
>
> &nbs= p; Open Space Technology Facilitation
>
>
>
> Helping Organisations to = Chart their Course
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf
> Of Andrew Rixon
> Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10
> To: = OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Anti Laws of = OST
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> Recently I’ve been = pondering / wondering about what might be
> the Anti-laws of OST.
>
>
>
> For = instance.
>
>
>
> “What isn’t = happening are all the things that should be”
>
>
>
> Or
>
>
>
> “What didn’t = happen are all the things that should have”
>
>
>
> As opposed = to…
>
>
>
> “Whatever happens is = the only thing that could have or did”
>
>
>
> What are your thoughts on = other “complimentary” anti-laws? J
>
>
>
> Warm = regards,
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> --
>
> Andrew Rixon PhD
> Director
> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
> Skype: AndrewJRixon
> Mobile: 0400 352 809
> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL:
> http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>
>
> Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our
> national = conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating
> Story: Approaching change = one story at a time". Download the
> interactive brochure here.
>
>
>
>
>
> * *
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To = subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: = http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist
>
>
>
>
> * *
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ----------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ----------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C9DD49.52B2A400-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:23:50 +1000 From: Andrew Rixon Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9DDE3.B0D42E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Harrison. I must confess that my interest really isn't in whether the 4 principles are principles or laws. Having recently read Phil Zimbardo's time paradox I couldn't but help to see how all 4 "principles" seem to relate to time. One of Zimbardo's interesting writings is around how we (often without knowing it) carry around with us a time perspective. The time perspectives he talks about are: 1. Future (The well known westerner approach to planning and all things about the future) 2. Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now) 3. Present Fatalistic (It's going to happen anyway) 4. Past Positive (Gratitude) 5. Past Negative (Woe to me) Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most "healthy" ? Zimbardo's answer is we (especially in the west) need to be Highly Past Positive. You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you're living in here: http://www.thetimeparadox.com/ Know any jokes about time? :-) Warm regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/ Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story at a time". Download the interactive brochure here . _____ From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 AM To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one law are neither laws nor principles actually. To be honest they are just my (and others') observations of what seemed to be happening in any case. In a word they are descriptive as opposed to descriptive - You could say it is all a joke. Rather like "technology" in the phrase Open Space Technology. The joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny - because somehow or another truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows that what happens in Open Space simply can't happen. Unfortunately it does - and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff - like most of what we think we know about meetings, the management of meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!! Harrison Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20854 Phone 301-365-2093 Skype hhowen Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org Personal website www.ho-image.com OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit: www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST Hi Andrew I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the principles. First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the most important concept here)-organisation which involved participation or non-participation which involves human choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's not ours to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song lol) your choice to let things happen is an intervention and so you have influenced the process making what happens the only thing that could have. If you do not turn up then you have had an influence of non-influence on the process and outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the right people. What ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a different way and as I stated above what then happens is the only thing that could have. Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to start it and you are "involved" or "not" which still has impact and similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is over via group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is over. Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect all around us. We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive way. Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that folks know OST has happened? I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great group of young people (that's anyone younger than me) from about 9 different parts of Europe who had come together In Londonderry to be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. One participant selected the swimming pool as an additional breakout space and it was one of the best attended sessions with the details of the conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the water. Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is; Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have happened Regards Derrick Why not check out our website to view our services . www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with tomorrow." Soon to be 2Wolves Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting 22 Bridge Street Kilkeel Co. Down BT34 4AD Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591 Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162 Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090 E-Mail: derrick at derrickmathewsconsulting.co.uk www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk Skype: derrick.mathews You can also find me on Facebook Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | Training Open Space Technology Facilitation Helping Organisations to Chart their Course _____ From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, Recently I've been pondering / wondering about what might be the Anti-laws of OST. For instance. "What isn't happening are all the things that should be" Or "What didn't happen are all the things that should have" As opposed to. "Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did" What are your thoughts on other "complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/ Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story at a time". Download the interactive brochure here . * * ========================================================== OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ----------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9DDE3.B0D42E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Thanks Harrison.
>
>
>
> I must confess that my interest = really isn’t in whether the
> 4 principles are principles or = laws.
>
>
>
> Having recently read Phil = Zimbardo’s time paradox I couldn’t
> but help to see how all 4 = “principles” seem to relate to
> time.
>
>
>
> One of Zimbardo’s interesting writings is around how we (often
> without knowing it) carry around with = us a time perspective.
> The time perspectives he talks about are:
>
>
>
> 1. Future (The well known westerner approach to planning
> and all things about = the future)
> 2. Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now)
> 3. Present Fatalistic (It’s going to happen = anyway)
> 4. Past Positive (Gratitude)
> 5. Past Negative (Woe to me)
>
>
>
> Which time perspective would you = choose to help you be most
> “healthy” ?
>
>
>
> Zimbardo’s answer is we = (especially in the west) need to be
> Highly Past = Positive.
>
>
>
> You can even do your own assessment = of what time zone you’re
> living in here:
>
>
>
> http://www.thetimeparadox.com/
>
>
>
> Know any jokes about time? =J
>
>
>
> Warm = regards,
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> --
>
> Andrew Rixon PhD
> Director
> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
> Skype: AndrewJRixon
> Mobile: 0400 352 809
> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL:
> http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>
>
> Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our
> national = conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating
> Story: Approaching change = one story at a time". Download the
> interactive brochure here.
>
>
>
> =
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> From: = OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Harrison = Owen
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 4:59 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of = OST
>
>
>
>
> Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles
> and one law are neither laws nor = principles actually. To be
> honest they are just my (and others’) observations = of what
> seemed to be happening in any case. In a word they are
> descriptive = as opposed to descriptive – You could say it is
> all a joke. Rather = like “technology” in the phrase Open
> Space Technology. The joke, = however turned out to be
> outrageously funny – because somehow or another = truth broke
> through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows that what
> = happens in Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it
> does – and = that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other
> stuff – like most of = what we think we know about meetings,
> the management of meetings, and management = itself. Double
> trouble!!
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
> Harrison = Owen
>
> 7808 River Falls = Drive
>
> Potomac, Maryland 20854
>
> Phone = 301-365-2093
>
> Skype = hhowen
>
> Open Space = Training www.openspaceworld.com
>
> Open Space = Institute www.openspaceworld.org
>
> Personal = website www.ho-image.com =
>
> OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, = change your options, view
> the archives Visit:
> www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.h= tml
>
>
>
>
> -----Original = Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf
> Of Derrick = Mathews
> Sent: Monday, May 25, = 2009 9:44 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST
>
>
>
> Hi Andrew
>
>
>
> I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the
> principles.
>
>
>
> First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the = most
> important concept here)-organisation which involved
> participation or = non-participation which involves human
> choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day = approach (Que Serra,
> Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's not ours to
> see, = que serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing this
> song lol) your choice = to let things happen is an
> intervention and so you have influenced the process = making
> what happens the only thing that could = have.
>
>
>
> If you do not turn up then you have had an influence = of
> non-influence on the process and outcome so you have been
> involved and = have been part of the right people.
>
>
>
> What ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved"
> your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, = likewise
> if you are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the =
> dynamic in a different way and as I stated above what then
> happens is the only thing = that could have.
>
>
>
> Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to =
> start it and you are "involved" or "not" which still has =
> impact and similarly it's over because there is a choice made
> that it is over = via group consensus or an individual's
> choice that for them it is = over.
>
>
>
> Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what =
> we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect all around =
> us.
>
>
>
> We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive =
> way.
>
>
>
> Anyhoo, hope this adds to the = confusion.
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------------------------=
>
> And on another thread, where are the most unusual =
> places that folks know OST has happened?
>
>
>
> I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great =
> group of young people (that's anyone younger than me) from
> about 9 = different parts of Europe who had come together In
> Londonderry to be involved in an = Up-cycling project of Trash
> to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. =
>
>
>
> One participant selected the swimming pool as an additional
> breakout space and it was one of the best attended sessions
> with the = details of the conversation recorded at the side of
> the pool by anyone out of the = water.
>
>
>
> Maybe the fifth unspoken principle = is;
>
> Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could =
> have happened
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Derrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Why not check out our website to view our services .
> www.DerrickMathewsCon= sulting.co.uk
>
>
>
> "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live
> with = tomorrow."
>
> Soon to be = 2Wolves
>
> ==
>
> Derrick = Mathews Associates Consulting
>
> 22 Bridge = Street
>
> Kilkeel
>
> Co. = Down
>
> BT34 = 4AD
>
> Tel: = + 44 (0) 560 266 2591
>
> Fax: = + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162
>
> Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090
>
> E-Mail: = derrick at derrickmat= hewsconsulting.co.uk
>
> www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>
> Skype: derrick.mathews
>
> You can = also find me on Facebook
>
>
>
> Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | = Training
>
> &nbs= p; Open Space Technology = Facilitation
>
>
>
> Helping Organisations to Chart their = Course
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf
> Of Andrew = Rixon
> Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Anti Laws of = OST
>
> Dear = All,
>
>
>
> Recently I’ve been = pondering / wondering about what might be
> the Anti-laws of = OST.
>
>
>
> For = instance.
>
>
>
> “What isn’t = happening are all the things that should be”
>
>
>
> Or<= /p>
>
>
>
> “What didn’t = happen are all the things that should have”
>
>
>
> As opposed = to…
>
>
>
> “Whatever happens is = the only thing that could have or did”
>
>
>
> What are your thoughts on = other “complimentary” anti-laws? J
>
>
>
> Warm = regards,
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> --<= /p>
>
> Andrew Rixon PhD
> Director
> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
> Skype: AndrewJRixon
> Mobile: 0400 352 809
> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL:
> http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>
>
> Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our
> national = conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating
> Story: Approaching change = one story at a time". Download the
> interactive brochure here.
>
>
>
>
>
> * *
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your = options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: = http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist
>
>
>
>
> * *
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ----------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ----------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ----------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9DDE3.B0D42E60-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:01:19 -0500 From: Michael Maranda Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST --0016e64755aa2851fe046ac56dd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Andrew Rixon wrote: > > Know any jokes about time? J > > > I used to. :) * * ========================================================== OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ----------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist --0016e64755aa2851fe046ac56dd8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Andrew = Rixon <an=
> drew at babelfishgroup.com> wrote:
>
> Know any jokes about time= ? J
>
> =A0
>
>
> <= /div>
> I used to.
>
> :)
>
>
> * *
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ----------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist --0016e64755aa2851fe046ac56dd8-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:26:25 +0800 From: Brendan McKeague Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST --=====================_311799156==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for those living in the future it is wise to remember that... in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday :-) At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote: >Thanks Harrison. > >I must confess that my interest really isn=92t in=20 >whether the 4 principles are principles or laws. > >Having recently read Phil Zimbardo=92s time=20 >paradox I couldn=92t but help to see how all 4=20 >=93principles=94 seem to relate to time. > >One of Zimbardo=92s interesting writings is around=20 >how we (often without knowing it) carry around=20 >with us a time perspective. The time perspectives he talks about are: > > * Future (The well known westerner approach=20 > to planning and all things about the future) > * Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now) > * Present Fatalistic (It=92s going to happen anyway) > * Past Positive (Gratitude) > * Past Negative (Woe to me) > >Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most =93healthy=94 ? > >Zimbardo=92s answer is we (especially in the west)=20 >need to be Highly Past Positive. > >You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you=92re living in= here: > >http://www.thetimeparadox.com/ > >Know any jokes about time? J > >Warm regards, >Andrew > >-- >Andrew Rixon PhD >Director >Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd >Skype: AndrewJRixon >Mobile: 0400 352 809 >Fax: (03) 8610 0162 >Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com >URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/ > >Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not=20 >to miss our national conference October 8 and=20 >9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching=20 >change one story at a time". Download the=20 >interactive brochure=20 >here. > > >---------- >From: OSLIST=20 >[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen >Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 AM >To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU >Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST > >Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the=20 >4 principles and one law are neither laws nor=20 >principles actually. To be honest they are just=20 >my (and others=92) observations of what seemed to=20 >be happening in any case. In a word they are=20 >descriptive as opposed to descriptive =96 You=20 >could say it is all a joke. Rather like=20 >=93technology=94 in the phrase Open Space=20 >Technology. The joke, however turned out to be=20 >outrageously funny =96 because somehow or another=20 >truth broke through. We are in serious trouble!=20 >Everybody knows that what happens in Open Space=20 >simply can=92t happen. Unfortunately it does =96 and=20 >that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other=20 >stuff =96 like most of what we think we know about=20 >meetings, the management of meetings, and management itself. Double= trouble!! > >Harrison > > >Harrison Owen > >7808 River Falls Drive > >Potomac, Maryland 20854 > >Phone 301-365-2093 > >Skype hhowen > >Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com > >Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org > >Personal website www.ho-image.com > >OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your=20 >options, view the archives Visit:=20 >www.listserv.boisestat= e.edu/archives/oslist.html > >-----Original Message----- >From: OSLIST=20 >[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews >Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM >To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU >Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST > >Hi Andrew > >I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the principles. > >First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the=20 >most important concept here)-organisation which=20 >involved participation or non-participation=20 >which involves human choice. Even if you adopt=20 >a Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever=20 >will be, will be, the future's not ours to see,=20 >que serra, serra, am I giving my age away=20 >knowing this song lol) your choice to let things=20 >happen is an intervention and so you have=20 >influenced the process making what happens the only thing that could have. > >If you do not turn up then you have had an=20 >influence of non-influence on the process and=20 >outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the right people. > >What ever happens is the only thing as if you=20 >are "involved" your involvement changes the=20 >dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are=20 >"involved" via no-involvement you affect the=20 >dynamic in a different way and as I stated above=20 >what then happens is the only thing that could have. > >Likewise when it starts is because someone made=20 >a choice to start it and you are "involved" or=20 >"not" which still has impact and similarly it's=20 >over because there is a choice made that it is=20 >over via group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is= over. > >Everything is in some way linked and=20 >interdependent and what we choose to do or not=20 >do, ripples out to affect all around us. > >We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive way. > >Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion. > >=20 >---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------------------------------- >And on another thread, where are the most=20 >unusual places that folks know OST has happened? > >I recently had the pleasure of opening space for=20 >a great group of young people (that's anyone=20 >younger than me) from about 9 different parts=20 >of Europe who had come together In Londonderry=20 >to be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash=20 >to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. > >One participant selected the swimming pool as an=20 >additional breakout space and it was one of the=20 >best attended sessions with the details of the=20 >conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the water. > >Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is; >Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have happened > > >Regards > >Derrick > > > >Why not check out our website to view our=20 >services=20 >.=20 >www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co= .uk > >"Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with= tomorrow." >Soon to be 2Wolves >[] > >Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting > >22 Bridge Street > >Kilkeel >Co. Down >BT34 4AD >Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591 >Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162 >Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090 >E-Mail:=20 >derrick at derrickmathewsconsul= ting.co.uk=20 > >www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk >Skype: derrick.mathews >You can also find me on Facebook > >Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | Training > Open Space Technology Facilitation > >Helping Organisations to Chart their Course > > > > > >From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew= Rixon >Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 >To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU >Subject: Anti Laws of OST >Dear All, > >Recently I=92ve been pondering / wondering about=20 >what might be the Anti-laws of OST. > >For instance. > >=93What isn=92t happening are all the things that should be=94 > >Or > >=93What didn=92t happen are all the things that should have=94 > >As opposed to=85 > >=93Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did=94 > >What are your thoughts on other =93complimentary=94 anti-laws? J > >Warm regards, >Andrew > >-- >Andrew Rixon PhD >Director >Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd >Skype: AndrewJRixon >Mobile: 0400 352 809 >Fax: (03) 8610 0162 >Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com >URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/ > >Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not=20 >to miss our national conference October 8 and=20 >9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching=20 >change one story at a time". Download the=20 >interactive brochure=20 >here. > > >* *=20 >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 >OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU=20 >------------------------------ To subscribe,=20 >unsubscribe, change your options, view the=20 >archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu:=20 >http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html=20 >To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST=20 >FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > >* *=20 >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 >OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU=20 >------------------------------ To subscribe,=20 >unsubscribe, change your options, view the=20 >archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu:=20 >http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html=20 >To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST=20 >FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * *=20 >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 >OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU=20 >------------------------------ To subscribe,=20 >unsubscribe, change your options, view the=20 >archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu:=20 >http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html=20 >To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST=20 >FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * *=20 >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 >OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU=20 >------------------------------ To subscribe,=20 >unsubscribe, change your options, view the=20 >archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu:=20 >http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html=20 >To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST=20 >FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ----------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist --=====================_311799156==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for those living in the future it is wise to remember that...
>
> in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday
> :-)
>
> At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote:
> Thanks Harrison.
>
> I must confess that my interest really isn=92t in
> whether the 4 principles are principles or laws.
>
> Having recently read Phil Zimbardo=92s time paradox I
> couldn=92t but help to see how all 4 =93principles=94
> seem to relate to time.
>
> One of Zimbardo=92s interesting writings is around how
> we (often without knowing it) carry around with us a
> time perspective. The time perspectives he talks about
> are:
>
> 1. Future (The well known westerner approach to
> planning and all things about the future)
> =20
> 2. Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now)=20
> 3. Present Fatalistic (It=92s going to happen
> anyway)=20
> 4. Past Positive (Gratitude)=20
> 5. Past Negative (Woe to me)=20
>
> Which time perspective would you choose to help you be
> most =93healthy=94 ?
>
> Zimbardo=92s answer is we (especially in the west)
> need to be Highly Past Positive.
>
> You can even do your own assessment of what time zone
> you=92re living in here:
>
> http://www.thetimeparadox.com/
>
> Know any jokes about time?J
>
> Warm regards,
> Andrew
>
> --
> Andrew Rixon PhD
> Director
> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
> Skype: AndrewJRixon
> Mobile: 0400 352 809
> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com
> URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>
> Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss
> our national conference October 8 and 9th titled:
> "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story at a
> time". Download the interactive brochure here.
>
>
> ______________________________________________________
>
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Harrison Owen
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST
>
> Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4
> principles and one law are neither laws nor principles
> actually. To be honest they are just my (and
> others=92) observations of what seemed to be happening
> in any case. In a word they are descriptive as opposed
> to descriptive =96 You could say it is all a joke.
> Rather like =93technology=94 in the phrase Open Space
> Technology. The joke, however turned out to be
> outrageously funny =96 because somehow or another
> truth broke through. We are in serious trouble!
> Everybody knows that what happens in Open Space simply
> can=92t happen. Unfortunately it does =96 and that
> makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff =96
> like most of what we think we know about meetings, the
> management of meetings, and management itself. Double
> trouble!!
>
> Harrison
>
>
> Harrison Owen
>
>
> 7808 River Falls Drive
>
>
> Potomac, Maryland 20854
>
>
> Phone 301-365-2093
>
>
> Skype hhowen
>
>
> Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com
>
>
> Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org
>
>
> Personal website www.ho-image.com
>
>
> OSLI= ST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your
> options, view the archives Visit:
> www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST
>
> Hi Andrew
>
> I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to
> the principles.
>
> First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the most
> important concept here)-organisation which involved
> participation or non-participation which involves
> human choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach
> (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the
> future's not ours to see, que serra, serra, am I
> giving my age away knowing this song lol) your choice
> to let things happen is an intervention and so you
> have influenced the process making what happens the
> only thing that could have.
>
> If you do not turn up then you have had an influence
> of non-influence on the process and outcome so you
> have been involved and have been part of the right
> people.
>
> What ever happen= s is the only thing as if you are
> "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and
> outcome, likewise if you are "involved" via
> no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a different
> way and as I stated above what then happens is the
> only thing that could have.
>
> Likewise when it starts is because someone made a
> choice to start it and you are "involved" or "not"
> which still has impact and similarly it's over because
> there is a choice made that it is over via group
> consensus or an individual's choice that for them it
> is over.
>
> Everything is in some way linked and interdependent
> and what we choose to do or not do, ripples out to
> affect all around us.
>
> We just need to always endeavour to impact in a
> positive way.
>
> Anyhoo, hope thi= s adds to the confusion.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------------------------------
> And on another thread, where are the most unusual
> places that folks know OST has happened?
>
> I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a
> great group of young people (that's anyone younger
> than me) from about 9 different parts of Europe who
> had come together In Londonderry to be involved in an
> Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which also
> involved a 1 day OS.
>
> One participant selected the swimming pool as an
> additional breakout space and it was one of the best
> attended sessions with the details of the conversation
> recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the
> water.
>
> Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;
> Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it
> could have happened
>
>
> Regards
>
> Derrick
>
>
>
> Why not check out our website to view our services.
> www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>
> "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you
> can live with tomorrow."
> Soon to= be 2Wolves = ; 3D[]<= /i>
> Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting
>
> 22 Bridge Street
>
> Kilkeel
> Co. Down
> BT34 4AD
> Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591
> Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162
> Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090
> E-Mail: derrick at derrickmathewsconsulting.co.uk
> www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
> Skype: derrick.mathews
> You can also find me on Facebook
>
> Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | Training
> Open Space Technology Facilitation
>
> Helping Organisations to Chart their Course
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon
> Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Anti Laws of OST
> Dear All,
>
> Recently I=92ve been pondering / wondering about what
> might be the Anti-laws of OST.
>
> For instance.
>
> =93What isn=92t happening are all the things that
> should be=94
>
> Or
>
> =93What didn=92t happen are all the things that should
> have=94
>
> As opposed to=85
>
> =93Whatever happens is the only thing that could have
> or did=94
>
> What are your thoughts on other =93complimentary=94
> anti-laws?J
>
> Warm regards,
> Andrew
>
> --
> Andrew Rixon PhD
> Director
> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
> Skype: AndrewJRixon
> Mobile: 0400 352 809
> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com
> URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>
> Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss
> our national conference October 8 and 9th titled:
> "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story at a
> time". Download the interactive brochure here.
>
>
> * *
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> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ----------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist --=====================_311799156==.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:51:33 +1000 From: Andrew Rixon Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C9DDF8.533C04C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep! Love that one. And I think the "Whatever didn't happen are all the things that should be" is pretty indicative of someone living in the future. Of course it couldn't possibly be me. :-) Warm regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/ Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story at a time". Download the interactive brochure here . _____ From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brendan McKeague Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 11:26 AM To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST for those living in the future it is wise to remember that... in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday :-) At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote: Thanks Harrison. I must confess that my interest really isn't in whether the 4 principles are principles or laws. Having recently read Phil Zimbardo's time paradox I couldn't but help to see how all 4 "principles" seem to relate to time. One of Zimbardo's interesting writings is around how we (often without knowing it) carry around with us a time perspective. The time perspectives he talks about are: 1. Future (The well known westerner approach to planning and all things about the future) 2. Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now) 3. Present Fatalistic (It's going to happen anyway) 4. Past Positive (Gratitude) 5. Past Negative (Woe to me) Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most "healthy" ? Zimbardo's answer is we (especially in the west) need to be Highly Past Positive. You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you're living in here: http://www.thetimeparadox.com/ Know any jokes about time? :-) Warm regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/ Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story at a time". Download the interactive brochure here . _____ From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 AM To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one law are neither laws nor principles actually. To be honest they are just my (and others') observations of what seemed to be happening in any case. In a word they are descriptive as opposed to descriptive - You could say it is all a joke. Rather like "technology" in the phrase Open Space Technology. The joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny - because somehow or another truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows that what happens in Open Space simply can't happen. Unfortunately it does - and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff - like most of what we think we know about meetings, the management of meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!! Harrison Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20854 Phone 301-365-2093 Skype hhowen Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org Personal website www.ho-image.com OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit: www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST Hi Andrew I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the principles. First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the most important concept here)-organisation which involved participation or non-participation which involves human choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's not ours to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song lol) your choice to let things happen is an intervention and so you have influenced the process making what happens the only thing that could have. If you do not turn up then you have had an influence of non-influence on the process and outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the right people. What ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a different way and as I stated above what then happens is the only thing that could have. Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to start it and you are "involved" or "not" which still has impact and similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is over via group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is over. Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect all around us. We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive way. Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that folks know OST has happened? I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great group of young people (that's anyone younger than me) from about 9 different parts of Europe who had come together In Londonderry to be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. One participant selected the swimming pool as an additional breakout space and it was one of the best attended sessions with the details of the conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the water. Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is; Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have happened Regards Derrick Why not check out our website to view our services . www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with tomorrow." Soon to be 2Wolves [] Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting 22 Bridge Street Kilkeel Co. Down BT34 4AD Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591 Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162 Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090 E-Mail: derrick at derrickmathewsconsulting.co.uk www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk Skype: derrick.mathews You can also find me on Facebook Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | Training Open Space Technology Facilitation Helping Organisations to Chart their Course From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, Recently I've been pondering / wondering about what might be the Anti-laws of OST. For instance. "What isn't happening are all the things that should be" Or "What didn't happen are all the things that should have" As opposed to. "Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did" What are your thoughts on other "complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/ Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story at a time". Download the interactive brochure here . * * ========================================================== OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ----------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C9DDF8.533C04C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Yep! Love that = one.
>
>
>
> And I think the “Whatever = didn’t happen are all the things
> that should be” is pretty indicative of = someone living in
> the future.
>
>
>
> Of course it couldn’t = possibly be me. J
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> --
>
> Andrew Rixon PhD
> Director
> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
> Skype: AndrewJRixon
> Mobile: 0400 352 809
> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL:
> http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>
>
> Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our
> national = conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating
> Story: Approaching change = one story at a time". Download the
> interactive brochure here.
>
>
>
> =
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> From: = OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Brendan = McKeague
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 11:26 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of = OST
>
>
>
>
> for those living in the future it is wise to remember =
> that...
>
> in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday
> :-)
>
> At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks = Harrison.
>
> I must confess that my interest really isn’t in whether the 4
> = principles are principles or laws.
>
> Having recently read Phil Zimbardo’s time paradox I couldn’t =
> but help to see how all 4 “principles” seem to relate to =
> time.
>
> One of Zimbardo’s interesting writings is around how we (often
> = without knowing it) carry around with us a time perspective.
> The time = perspectives he talks about are:
>
> 1. Future (The = well known westerner approach to
> planning and all things about the = future)
> 2. Present = Hedonistic (Make the most of now)
> 3. Present = Fatalistic (It’s going to happen anyway)
> 4. Past = Positive (Gratitude)
> 5. Past = Negative (Woe to me)
>
>
> Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most
> “healthy” ?
>
> Zimbardo’s answer is we (especially in the west) need to be
> Highly = Past Positive.
>
> You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you’re =
> living in here:
>
> http://www.thetimeparadox.com/
>
> Know any jokes about time? J
>
> Warm regards,
> Andrew
>
> --
> Andrew Rixon PhD
> Director
> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
> Skype: AndrewJRixon
> Mobile: 0400 352 809
> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com
> URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>
> Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our
> national = conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating
> Story: Approaching change = one story at a time". Download the
> interactive brochure here.
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf
> Of Harrison Owen
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 4:59 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST
>
> Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles
> and one law are = neither laws nor principles actually. To be
> honest they are just my (and = others’) observations of what
> seemed to be happening in any case. In a word they = are
> descriptive as opposed to descriptive – You could say it is
> all a = joke. Rather like “technology” in the phrase Open
> Space = Technology. The joke, however turned out to be
> outrageously funny – because = somehow or another truth broke
> through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows = that
> what happens in Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately
> it = does – and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other
> stuff – = like most of what we think we know about meetings,
> the management of = meetings, and management itself. Double
> trouble!!
>
> Harrison
>
>
> Harrison Owen
>
>
>
> 7808 River Falls = Drive
>
>
>
> Potomac, Maryland = 20854
>
>
>
> Phone 301-365-2093
>
>
>
> Skype hhowen
>
>
>
> Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com =
>
>
>
> Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org =
>
>
>
> Personal website www.ho-image.com
>
>
>
> OSLIST: = To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view
> the archives Visit:
> www.listserv= .boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf
> Of Derrick Mathews
> Sent: Monday, May 25, = 2009 9:44 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST
>
> Hi Andrew
>
> I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to = the
> principles.
>
> First of all the process is based on "SELF" = (the most
> important concept here)-organisation which involved
> participation = or non-participation which involves human
> choice. Even if you adopt a = Doris Day approach (Que Serra,
> Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's = not ours to
> see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing this
> song = lol) your choice to let things happen is an
> intervention and so you have = influenced the process making
> what happens the only thing that could have.
>
> If you do not turn up then you have had an = influence of
> non-influence on the process and outcome so you have been
> involved and = have been part of the right people.
>
> What ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved"
> your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, = likewise
> if you are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the =
> dynamic in a different way and as I stated above what then
> happens is the only thing = that could have.
>
> Likewise when it starts is because someone made a = choice to
> start it and you are "involved" or "not" which still = has
> impact and similarly it's over because there is a choice made
> that it is = over via group consensus or an individual's
> choice that for them it is = over.
>
> Everything is in some way linked and interdependent = and what
> we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect all around
> us.
>
> We just need to always endeavour to impact in a = positive
> way.
>
> Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------------------------
> And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that
> folks know = OST has happened?
>
> I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a = great
> group of young people (that's anyone younger than me) from
> about 9 different parts of Europe who had come together In
> Londonderry to be = involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash
> to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS.
>
> One participant selected the swimming pool as an = additional
> breakout space and it was one of the best attended sessions
> with the = details of the conversation recorded at the side of
> the pool by anyone out of the = water.
>
> Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;
> Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could
> have = happened
>
>
> Regards
>
> Derrick
>
>
>
> Why not check out our website to = view our services.
> www.DerrickMathewsCon= sulting.co.uk
>
> "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live
> with = tomorrow."
> Soon to be 2Wolves
> Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting
>
> 22 = Bridge Street
>
> Kilkeel
> Co. Down
> BT34 4AD
> Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591
> Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162
> Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090
> E-Mail: derrick at derrickmat= hewsconsulting.co.uk
> www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
> Skype: derrick.mathews
> You can also find me on Facebook
>
> Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | = Training
> Open Space Technology = Facilitation
>
> Helping Organisations to Chart their Course
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: = OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Andrew Rixon
> Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Anti Laws of = OST
> Dear All,
>
> Recently I’ve been pondering / wondering about what might be
> the Anti-laws of OST.
>
> For instance.
>
> “What isn’t happening are all the things that should = be”
>
> Or
>
> “What didn’t happen are all the things that should = have”
>
> As opposed to…
>
> “Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or = did”
>
> What are your thoughts on other “complimentary” anti-laws? =J
>
> Warm regards,
> Andrew
>
> --
> Andrew Rixon PhD
> Director
> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
> Skype: AndrewJRixon
> Mobile: 0400 352 809
> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com
> URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>
> Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our
> national = conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating
> Story: Approaching change = one story at a time". Download the
> interactive brochure here.
>
>
> * * =
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