Creation

Mon Feb 16 20:16:39 PST 2009

Beautiful thread on co-creation.

In _____ years, I can imagine humanity with broad awareness of co-creation.
Perhaps more accurately, with expectation, in the same way that we turn on a
light switch and expect a light to go on, whether we understand the
electrical wiring or not. We expect to bring form to the matter that exists
in the universe. Perhaps that is god as Doug names below. Perhaps that is
just us in beautiful evolution. Perhaps we even take it for granted that we
are deliberately in beautiful cocreation. Think of the way the kids expect
social networking online and abundant information on all, and access. A bit
different than the clunky Mac I borrowed from a roommate in 86 to finish a
paper for a psych class. As they grow up with it now, a next gen will grow
up with assumption of co-creative capacity. ??? Hmmm.

There are times when these times blow me away, shattering images. Even more
amazing is when the shattered fragments, seemingly lifeless on the floor,
form into a new whole with amazing vitality for the times.

Tenneson

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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve
Engle
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Creation

My take on it is that we humans, and as far as I can tell all our currently
recognized fellow sentient beings (e.g. my dog), have evolved so that we
create organization out of the universe.  We are the gods and goddesses who
animate all this chaos with exquisite meaning.  I would further contend that
what we collectively refer to as god, who/whatever you picture this to be,
is a label for our shared wonder at the commonality with which we organize
it.  How amazing that such beauty could emerge that way.

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:41 AM, douglas germann <76066.515 at compuserve.com>
wrote:

Ralph--

All of our human creation stories, or at least all of the 6 or 10 of
them which I have read, start with something pre-existing: a god, a ball
of mud, a turtle's back.

The Biblical story in my view is not antithetical to the Big Bang: Let
there be light and there was light. What you hold in your mind when you
read it affects directly what you get out of it-or put into it.

Stuart Kauffman has recently written a book which posits that God is not
a being who creates but creativity itself. If he is correct, then that
means that there is no difference between the Biblical notion of
creation and self-organization.

(I think the concept of ex nihilo is not necessarily in Genesis.)

Ralph, thanks for this tickle.

                       :- Doug.

On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 09:54 -0500, Ralph Copleman wrote:
> If we say we live in a self-organizing universe, and if we also say
> there is no such thing as a non-self-organizing system, then where
> does that leave us with regard to the biblical creation story of the
> original seven days -- which seems to lay down holy word that it is
> possible create a comprehensive order out of nothing?
>
> It's irrelevant that the biblical story may or may not be literally
> true.  We must recognize the impact this version of creation has had
> on our collective consciousness in the West, if not all over the
> world.  This model of order-out-of-chaos dominates most, if not all
> our modern institutions.  It lays the framework for how we see the
> world and how we seek to relate to it, its systems, and itc
> challenges.  It's the pattern for government, business, education,
> community development, religion, etc.  It even dictates how we shall
> relate to Earth itself.
>
> When we ask people to accept the belief that there is no such thing as
> a non-self-organizing system, aren't we saying, "The story we have all
> lived by, whether we consciously realize it or not, is wrong,
> profoundly inaccurate, and dangerous"?
>
> Ralph
>
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