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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Beautiful thread on co-creation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>In _____ years, I can imagine humanity with broad awareness
of co-creation. Perhaps more accurately, with expectation, in the same way that
we turn on a light switch and expect a light to go on, whether we understand
the electrical wiring or not. We expect to bring form to the matter that exists
in the universe. Perhaps that is god as Doug names below. Perhaps that is just
us in beautiful evolution. Perhaps we even take it for granted that we are
deliberately in beautiful cocreation. Think of the way the kids expect social
networking online and abundant information on all, and access. A bit different
than the clunky Mac I borrowed from a roommate in 86 to finish a paper for a
psych class. As they grow up with it now, a next gen will grow up with assumption
of co-creative capacity. ??? Hmmm.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>There are times when these times blow me away, shattering
images. Even more amazing is when the shattered fragments, seemingly lifeless
on the floor, form into a new whole with amazing vitality for the times.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><em><i><font size=3 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:green'>And those who were seen dancing were
thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.</span></font></i></em><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Steve Engle<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 16, 2009
10:06 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSLIST] Creation</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>My take on it is that we
humans, and as far as I can tell all our currently recognized fellow sentient
beings (e.g. my dog), have evolved so that we create organization out of the
universe. We are the gods and goddesses who animate all this chaos
with exquisite meaning. I would further contend that what we
collectively refer to as god, who/whatever you picture this to be, is a label
for our shared wonder at the commonality with which we organize
it. How amazing that such beauty could emerge that way.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:41 AM, <st1:place w:st="on">douglas</st1:place>
germann <<a href="mailto:76066.515@compuserve.com">76066.515@compuserve.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Ralph--<br>
<br>
All of our human creation stories, or at least all of the 6 or 10 of<br>
them which I have read, start with something pre-existing: a god, a ball<br>
of mud, a turtle's back.<br>
<br>
The Biblical story in my view is not antithetical to the Big Bang: Let<br>
there be light and there was light. What you hold in your mind when you<br>
read it affects directly what you get out of it—or put into it.<br>
<br>
Stuart Kauffman has recently written a book which posits that God is not<br>
a being who creates but creativity itself. If he is correct, then that<br>
means that there is no difference between the Biblical notion of<br>
creation and self-organization.<br>
<br>
(I think the concept of ex nihilo is not necessarily in Genesis.)<br>
<br>
Ralph, thanks for this tickle.<br>
<br>
:- Doug.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 09:54 -0500, Ralph Copleman wrote:<br>
> If we say we live in a self-organizing universe, and if we also say<br>
> there is no such thing as a non-self-organizing system, then where<br>
> does that leave us with regard to the biblical creation story of the<br>
> original seven days -- which seems to lay down holy word that it is<br>
> possible create a comprehensive order out of nothing?<br>
><br>
> It's irrelevant that the biblical story may or may not be literally<br>
> true. We must recognize the impact this version of creation has had<br>
> on our collective consciousness in the West, if not all over the<br>
> world. This model of order-out-of-chaos dominates most, if not all<br>
> our modern institutions. It lays the framework for how we see the<br>
> world and how we seek to relate to it, its systems, and itc<br>
> challenges. It's the pattern for government, business, education,<br>
> community development, religion, etc. It even dictates how we shall<br>
> relate to Earth itself.<br>
><br>
> When we ask people to accept the belief that there is no such thing as<br>
> a non-self-organizing system, aren't we saying, "The story we have
all<br>
> lived by, whether we consciously realize it or not, is wrong,<br>
> profoundly inaccurate, and dangerous"?<br>
><br>
> Ralph<br>
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