re honouring each other

Tue Dec 1 07:28:04 PST 2009

that's great, justin.  thank you.

i didn't know what i could or could not, should or should not, do with the
banners.  glad you think what i did was an improvement.  i had some fun with
it.  and as you say, several whole sections still to be considered there,
fixed or deleted.

and thanks to suzanne for a great like on the phone yesterday... something
like "i've been into this stuff since may(?) and i'm just exhausted from the
excitement of it."  and my immediate response:  "me, too! (14 years later)."

thanks for convening, suzanne, and documenting the conversation so far,
suzanne.

m

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Michael Herman
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On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Justin T. Sampson <justin at krasama.com>wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> It looks really good. I've just removed the "speedy deletion" banner (which
> wasn't actually a "speedy deletion" banner anyway, it was just warning that
> someone *might* add a "speedy deletion" banner).
>
> This is what I wrote on the discussion page to justify it: "I've just
> updated the banners to more accurately reflect recent improvements. I think
> the introduction and history are both really good now, but just need their
> references turned into proper Wikipedia footnotes. The rest (older text) is
> useful information, but still needs to be rewritten a bit to feel less
> how-to-ish."
>
> I don't have time to make those improvements, but hopefully the banner
> changes improve morale a bit. :)
>
> Cheers,
> Justin
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com
> > wrote:
>
>> whoops.  that was me who missed that one, harrison.  <grin>
>>
>> and might you have a look at the history section on this page, as you know
>> the story much better than i do?
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology  ...let me know if
>> there are things that should be added or edited, if you don't want to tweak
>> them directly.
>>
>> if anybody else, justin??? ...who's familiar with wikipedia citation
>> standards and methods could take a look at this page, that would be great.
>> i've tried to include proper info, but i don't know how to do it correctly
>> in this format.
>>
>> thanks.
>>
>>
>> m
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Herman
>> Michael Herman Associates
>>
>> http://www.michaelherman.com
>> http://www.ronanparktrail.com
>> http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org
>> http://www.openspaceworld.org
>>
>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>wrote:
>>
>>>  Pat said --  “even harrison has told stories about the places where he
>>> first learned this piece or that piece of what became the practice of open
>>> space.  *discovered not invented* (ital mine).”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pat I think you got it mostly right  (“*discovered not invented”)* – but
>>> I believe it is Shaken not stirred.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Harrison
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Black
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:09 PM
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>>> *Subject:* Re: re honouring each other
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for this Michael.  It resonates for me.
>>>
>>> Pat Black
>>>
>>>  even harrison has told stories about the places where he first learned
>>> this piece or that piece of what became the practice of open space.
>>> discovered not invented.
>>>
>>> that's what i think really distinguishes this conversation from so many
>>> others about methods and techniques.  there's a lineage here.  i think the
>>> nature of lineage is equal parts challenge and support, the outside might
>>> look challenging but inside there is also a strong flow of support.  it's
>>> about knowing and not, the past is quite well known and oft-told, but the
>>> future is uncertain, adapting and evolving.  so the only way for lineage to
>>> continue is to balance all of that.
>>>
>>> it's a very active, dynamic process and if you're here, on this list,
>>> learning quietly or contributing vocally, you're already it in.  cuz in the
>>> end, the practice isn't about the lurking or posting, learning or
>>> contributing, it's about each of us navigating for ourselves the edge that
>>> runs between them.  no matter if you've posted or not, if you've considered
>>> posting... or considered NOT posting to something that you would normally
>>> have a stock answer to... then i think you're on that edge, active in this
>>> circle and in this practice.
>>>
>>>
>>> m
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Michael Herman
>>> Michael Herman Associates
>>>
>>> http://www.michaelherman.com
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>>> http://www.openspaceworld.org
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>>>
>>>    On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Harold Shinsato <
>>> harold at shinsato.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Michael M,
>>>
>>> The "forbidding" aspect of a space with this many listeners for me had
>>> nothing to do with the "size" of people taking up the space as it did the
>>> pure size of the group and the number of listeners who felt like strangers.
>>> True, the power and value of the content and the contributors raised a high
>>> bar, but it's certainly not because it seemed to me like anyone was
>>> "hogging" the space. If anything, this is an amazingly welcoming group for
>>> its size and I'm certain it's because of the Open Space principles. I could
>>> also see that questions were always warmly received and answered, but I
>>> still felt after I joined that I'd better have a really good question to
>>> post before I dared to do so.
>>>
>>> It makes it a lot easier for me to post now that I've been in actual Open
>>> Space events with a number of the active contributors. In some ways, the
>>> OpenSpaceWorld.ning.com site also makes it easier to post - because over
>>> there I can see a lot of your faces and it's easier to feel the humanity of
>>> many of those posting - as well as being in smaller circle conversations.
>>> Like they say in writing and speaking classes, know your audience. It just
>>> takes more time with a group with 600+ listeners.
>>>
>>>   Harold
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael M Pannwitz wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Michael Dobbie,
>>> hope you have a great time in Australia and run into many of the
>>> os-workers there! Are you facilitating os-events there or do os-related
>>> stuff? I remember
>>> Since I have always just simply participated in the oslist, the aspect of
>>> being invited never came to my mind. Maybe that contributes to what Harold
>>> (and many, as he states) perceives as "forbidding", fat guys like me taking
>>> up the space.
>>> The "roll call" in process did reveal to me that there are many on the
>>> list who are mostly in the "learning" mode (as in the Law: "I honor a group
>>> with my absence if I neither learn nor contribute. If I learn, I stay, If I
>>> contribute, I stay. But if neither nor, I leave.")
>>> By the way, I noticed that the email you used in your post varies from
>>> the one in your info box in the Open Space World Map...let me know if you
>>> would like to have it adjusted).
>>> Greetings from Berlin
>>> mmp
>>>
>>>
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