Why is a grid sometimes useful?

Fri Aug 7 13:29:13 PDT 2009

Dear Suzanne,
you got it, the ownership is with the group where passion and 
responsibility reside.
Its not in the process! I think.
Unless you mean by process the forces of selforganisation (whatever that 
is, sometimes I smell it)...and thats with the group, too.
So, knowing about the forces of selforganisation (they will be active 
regardless of what you trust in or believe in or hope for) calms me.
And if you feel angst in the room, rest assured, its your angst and 
everything else are assumptions (to get further into this string, a good 
orientation is what the Weirds found out about perceptions).
Now, having said all of this, I humbly invite you to include yourself in 
the Open Space World Map so everybody can "see" you.
Regardless of where you are, Canada or Florida in the US.
Here is the link
> http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/
And here is the direct link to the inclusion form
> http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198

and invite the rest of your bunch, too.
Greetings from Berlin at tropical heats near midnight
mmp

Suzanne Daigle wrote:
> The gem for me was this: The issue is not “organization” – but who does it
> and when does it happen? I get it...I hope, I think.  It means then that the
> ownership is where it should be: with the group from A to Z and they lead
> the dance of chaos and organization.
> 
> Thank you for this topic on the grid which already has caused me grief and
> self-doubt when I facilitated. What I learn from this is that it won't
> matter exactly how I do the grid as long as I am mindful about what my true
> role is as a facilitator: to assist in the convening, to open the space,
> hold the space, (be invisible) and then close the space. It's so hard to
> trust the process sometimes when you're still internalizing it yourself,
> feeling the angst in a room and honoring what is.
> 
> Suzanne
> 
> Suzanne Daigle
> www.nufocusgroup.com
> s.daigle at nufocusgroup.com
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>>  Artur – we will be looking forward to your return! And an odd thought
>> passed through my muddled mind. It occurred to me, I think because you
>> mentioned being an engineer that it might somehow appear that “getting
>> organized”  and “being organized” are somehow anathema to Open Space. It
>> might even seem that I have implied as much – if so that would be a massive
>> mistake on my part. The issue is not “organization” – but who does it and
>> when does it happen? The truth of the matter is that every Open Space is
>> highly organized, usually more so than any facilitator or planning committee
>> could ever imagine.
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>> Consider 2108 German psychiatrists X 236 concurrent sessions in an 8 hour
>> period. That would take a planning committee years! And they would never get
>> it right -- things would always be late, and great frustration would be a
>> predictable outcome. In the instance, the people did it all themselves in
>> something less than an hour and it all worked out perfectly including
>> written reports for all or most of the sessions. Now Mr Engineer, Can you
>> beat that? Just kidding J
>>
>>
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>> For me the real issue is efficiency and effectiveness – which are
>> presumably positive values that all engineers will ascribe to. In that case
>> the only question is how do you get there fastest and bestest? The curious
>> answer would seem to be Do Less!
>>
>>
>>
>> Harrison
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>> *From:* OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Artur
>> Silva
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 07, 2009 6:57 AM
>> *To:* OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> *Subject:* Re: Why is a grid sometimes useful?
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>> Being out of my office with bad internet contact and short of time, I only
>> red some of this rich exchange.
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>> I must say, like Bernd, that, probably because of my education as an
>> engineer, I never thought about doing it without a grid. And living in a
>> Chatolic country, even with a grid, most managers think that OST is too much
>> for them...
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>> But then some coments from Harrison and Lisa make me think...
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>> I will continue to think, and after the 18th, with better conexion, I will
>> coment something.
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>> But don´t ask me what ;-)
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>> Regards from the countryside somewhere in the north of Portugal
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>>
>> Artur
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>> --- On *Thu, 8/6/09, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>* wrote:
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>> From: Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Why is a grid sometimes useful?
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:17 AM
>>
>> Lesley, I think you got it! (“It is my sense of things that the more we
>> order….the more we take away from the process……..however this can be very
>> uncomfortable for us(facilitator”). It is all about organizing a self
>> organizing system. Not only is that an oxymoron, but also of questionable
>> intelligence – regardless of the alleged increase of comfort.
>>
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>>
>> Harrison
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