OST in Amsterdam

Tue Oct 28 14:58:48 PDT 2008

Dear Ivana et all

I am based in the Netherlands and did a couple of Open Space's the last
seven years. Also for hyerarchical organisation's (for the Shared
Service Centre of the govenermental departments, for several local and
several national police-organizations, a waterbooard, for Fortis (which
is a big Dutch-Belgium Bank), an big insurrance company Just to name a
few. In my experience there is a lot of 'space' here in the Netherlands
for Open Space!! 

Seems a good iedea to start small, but then you boss is not very
enthusiastic. So what I can tell that it seems to me that here the
bosses higher in hyerarchie are far more willing to 'take a risk' and
try something different. So can you find a way to talk with somebody who
shares your passion for the subject and is higher in hyerarchie?? 
If I can be of any help, please let me know. 
tel: 0031653927407 or cvl at tg.nl

warm regards 

Met vriendelijke groet,

drs. C.J.P. (Carla) Vliex 

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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ivana
Balazevic-Fisher
Sent: dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 16:05
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: OST in Amsterdam

HI all

I work as an "external" and have no people working "under me".

Have spoken to my immediate manager and tried to plant the seed, but his
response was that you cannot do that kind of thing in a hyerarchical
organisation as this one, it would never work, people would never talk
to each other, we still don't know the extent of our problems therefore
we cannot yet make a plan. 

My response to all of those arguments is: perfect.  We need to do Open
Space.  His response was: no, no... we can't do that.  We first have to
have direction and plan, then we can think of doing something like that.

My response was... no, no, no... now is the perfect time, precisely
because nobody knows how to start, nobody can make a good plan, etc... 

Anyway, I didn't convinvce him yet.  But I want to.  I need to find
somebody who has done it in ING Amsterdam (or Holalnd) and who is
prepared to talk about it to my boss.  Please scour your networks and
put us all in touch with those who have already done it or are doing it
in a hyerarchical set-up and are available for a chat in Amsterdam... 

Thank you 

Ivana

Henri Lipmanowicz <henri.lipmanowicz at verizon.net> wrote:

	Ivana, 

	Are you inside the organization or are you an outside
consultant?
	If you are inside in what position or role are you?

	You write that you are working on a project; is there at least
one opportunity for you to use OST on the smallest scale so that
management doesn't need to make any decision? You just do it and people
start experiencing OST. The point is to focus on what is the immediate
first step that is possible with the resources at hand. One experience
however little will be more effective than a million presentations. Then
see what happens and figure out the second step. 

	Henri 

	      On n'entend bien qu'avec le coeur
	       L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux

	On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:57 AM, Ivana Balazevic-Fisher wrote:

		HI all

		I wonder if anybody has heard that the OST was done in
ING Amsterdam, or ING in the rest of Netherlands.  

		I am working on a project which is crying out for some
open space, crisis after crisis happens, and they never get "resoved"
but just white-washed only to reappear in similar disguise 3 months on.
People get recruited, 3 months later they get sacked because of crisis,
then they get recruited again etc... See-saw if ever I saw one. 

		This calls for some grass-root action, lots of open
space for anybody who cares. 

		But - how to sell it to management? The mindsets are as
they are, things have "always been done this way", nobody even thinks
that grass roots could be consulted..... Therefore, looking for somebody
who has done it in ING already, or done it in Amsterdam, who could give
me one or two hints as to how to sell this upwards from the ground
level, to managers who (most probably) would not believe that a thing
like that could happen ever, anywhere. 

		Thoughts?

		Thank you

		Ivana 

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