wondering continued

Mon Oct 13 13:59:42 PDT 2008

Dear Funda and you others,
I want to take part as a participant.
Whoever sponsors this, let me know place and date.
Greetings from Berlin
mmp

funda oral wrote:
> these messages were for all the group 
> 
> --- On Mon, 10/13/08, funda oral <fundaoral2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> From: funda oral <fundaoral2003 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: wondering continued
> To: "Michael M Pannwitz" <mmpanne at boscop.org>
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 10:40 PM
> 
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> I will work volunteerly in the facilitation team. I can work to arrange a meeting room, if the meeting takes place in Turkey.   
>  
> We can maybe even create a budget for that. Is there anyone who wants to work to create a budget to finance such a meeting?  
>  
> Funda
> 
> --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne at boscop.org> wrote:
> 
> From: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne at boscop.org>
> Subject: Re: wondering continued
> To: fundaoral2003 at yahoo.com
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 11:26 AM
> 
> Dear Funda and you others out there,
> is there a sponsor for this topic that has been suggested?:
> 
> "How we can get organized to stop hunger and war in our world by next
> month?"
> 
> 29 days left!
> 
> Cheers
> mmp
> 
> funda oral wrote:
>> Dear Michael 
>>  
>> This is the main topic suggestion for an ost meeting. This is not an issue
> for the bulletin board.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Funda
>>
>> --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne at boscop.org> wrote:
>>
>> From: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne at boscop.org>
>> Subject: Re: wondering continued
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 2:37 PM
>>
>> Dear Funda,
>> "suggesting" a "topic" to "the market of open
> space
>> world" (I imagine 
>> you mean this list serve as that market) is different from standing up 
>> and saying "My name is ... and my issue is ...." in an open
> space 
>> gathering.
>> I wonder what would happen if I were to receive an invitation to an 
>> event with the title "How can we get organized to stop hunger and war
> in 
>> our world by next month?"
>> Would I drop everything and make sure to take part in that event?
>> Greetings from Berlin
>> mmp
>>
>> funda oral wrote:
>>> i suggest one topic to the market of open space world : 
>>>  
>>> - how we can get organized to stop hunger and war in our world by next
>> month?
>>>  
>>> Funda
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 10/8/08, John Rapp <jfs.rapp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: John Rapp <jfs.rapp at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: wondering continued
>>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>>> Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 9:04 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For those of us who have spent a few years in Deep Kimchi -- and spent
>> serious time experiencing the "bottom billion" poorest people in
> the
>> world, whose kimchi is often all they have -- the biggest difference
> between the
>> "free" markets, and True Open Space, is that the free markets do
> not
>> readily support The Law of Two Feet.  Have you noticed how many more
>> professional butterflies and bumblebees we see these days?  So many
> Wonderful
>> Beings (incl. many of you) are seeking, persistently, to, somehow,
> "get off
>> the grid" ... mostly without a great deal of success.  For this world
> is,
>> increasingly, dominated by the Powers of which Jesus and other seers have
> so
>> often warned us.
>>>  
>>> Space Opens only with Form.  Our "free world" and
>> "free" markets -- when they work -- bristle with unseen
> protections. 
>> Could you open an effective Marketplace in non-Green Baghdad?  In 1980s
> Beirut? 
>> I wonder sometimes if we forget how harsh a form-free world may be.
>>>     
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:06 AM, Martin Boroson
>> <marty at becomingme.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you all, for deepening my wondering.
>>>  
>>> I was especially struck by Harrison's comment that capitalism and
> the
>> market are not synonymous.  And by those of you who spoke about the
> listening
>> and connectivity that emerges in Open Space.    
>>>  
>>> Some continued wonderings, influenced by yours:
>>>  
>>> a. Perhaps the so-called 'free market' is indeed an Open
> Space,
>> just much much bigger than any Open Space that any of us has facilitated. 
> And
>> without a clear beginning or end, it's taking us a long time to
> experience
>> the connectivity and sense of responsibility that happens relatively
> quickly in
>> a more defined Open Space.
>>>  
>>> b.  Maybe the thing that invokes connectivity in an Open Space is the
>> presence of a question or theme.  In an Open Space, we all gather together
> with
>> a shared concern or intention, and I suspect that this certainly tilts the
> odds
>> toward some kind of climax or resolution, and to experiencing some sense
> of
>> connectivity through common discovery.  The 'free market', by
> contrast,
>> has the freedom of Open Space but not the shared intention.
>>>  
>>> c.  Putting (a) and (b) together:  Maybe the free market is actually
> an
>> enormous Open Space, but we just don't know what the question is yet. 
> 
>> Maybe, because this enormous Open Space has no clear starting point or
> ending
>> point, it is taking us a long time to hear one another and realize that we
> are
>> all connected, and that we really do have a common question.   Maybe we
> are just
>> starting to discern the underlying question that called us to participate
> in
>> this enormous Open Space.  Maybe that question is:  How can we share
> resources
>> equitably on this small planet?   Or simply,  How can 'separate
> selves'
>> live together in peace?  And maybe we are starting to discern that there
> might
>> be, after all, a time limit.
>>>  
>>> Marty
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