wondering continued

funda oral fundaoral2003 at yahoo.com
Mon Oct 13 12:44:24 PDT 2008


these messages were for all the group 

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, funda oral <fundaoral2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: funda oral <fundaoral2003 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: wondering continued
To: "Michael M Pannwitz" <mmpanne at boscop.org>
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 10:40 PM







I will work volunteerly in the facilitation team. I can work to arrange a meeting room, if the meeting takes place in Turkey.   
 
We can maybe even create a budget for that. Is there anyone who wants to work to create a budget to finance such a meeting?  
 
Funda

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne at boscop.org> wrote:

From: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne at boscop.org>
Subject: Re: wondering continued
To: fundaoral2003 at yahoo.com
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 11:26 AM

Dear Funda and you others out there,
is there a sponsor for this topic that has been suggested?:

"How we can get organized to stop hunger and war in our world by next
month?"

29 days left!

Cheers
mmp

funda oral wrote:
> Dear Michael 
>  
> This is the main topic suggestion for an ost meeting. This is not an issue
for the bulletin board.
>  
> Regards,
> Funda
> 
> --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne at boscop.org> wrote:
> 
> From: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne at boscop.org>
> Subject: Re: wondering continued
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 2:37 PM
> 
> Dear Funda,
> "suggesting" a "topic" to "the market of open
space
> world" (I imagine 
> you mean this list serve as that market) is different from standing up 
> and saying "My name is ... and my issue is ...." in an open
space 
> gathering.
> I wonder what would happen if I were to receive an invitation to an 
> event with the title "How can we get organized to stop hunger and war
in 
> our world by next month?"
> Would I drop everything and make sure to take part in that event?
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
> 
> funda oral wrote:
>> i suggest one topic to the market of open space world : 
>>  
>> - how we can get organized to stop hunger and war in our world by next
> month?
>>  
>> Funda
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 10/8/08, John Rapp <jfs.rapp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: John Rapp <jfs.rapp at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: wondering continued
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 9:04 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> For those of us who have spent a few years in Deep Kimchi -- and spent
> serious time experiencing the "bottom billion" poorest people in
the
> world, whose kimchi is often all they have -- the biggest difference
between the
> "free" markets, and True Open Space, is that the free markets do
not
> readily support The Law of Two Feet.  Have you noticed how many more
> professional butterflies and bumblebees we see these days?  So many
Wonderful
> Beings (incl. many of you) are seeking, persistently, to, somehow,
"get off
> the grid" ... mostly without a great deal of success.  For this world
is,
> increasingly, dominated by the Powers of which Jesus and other seers have
so
> often warned us.
>>  
>> Space Opens only with Form.  Our "free world" and
> "free" markets -- when they work -- bristle with unseen
protections. 
> Could you open an effective Marketplace in non-Green Baghdad?  In 1980s
Beirut? 
> I wonder sometimes if we forget how harsh a form-free world may be.
>>     
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:06 AM, Martin Boroson
> <marty at becomingme.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all, for deepening my wondering.
>>  
>> I was especially struck by Harrison's comment that capitalism and
the
> market are not synonymous.  And by those of you who spoke about the
listening
> and connectivity that emerges in Open Space.    
>>  
>> Some continued wonderings, influenced by yours:
>>  
>> a. Perhaps the so-called 'free market' is indeed an Open
Space,
> just much much bigger than any Open Space that any of us has facilitated. 
And
> without a clear beginning or end, it's taking us a long time to
experience
> the connectivity and sense of responsibility that happens relatively
quickly in
> a more defined Open Space.
>>  
>> b.  Maybe the thing that invokes connectivity in an Open Space is the
> presence of a question or theme.  In an Open Space, we all gather together
with
> a shared concern or intention, and I suspect that this certainly tilts the
odds
> toward some kind of climax or resolution, and to experiencing some sense
of
> connectivity through common discovery.  The 'free market', by
contrast,
> has the freedom of Open Space but not the shared intention.
>>  
>> c.  Putting (a) and (b) together:  Maybe the free market is actually
an
> enormous Open Space, but we just don't know what the question is yet. 

> Maybe, because this enormous Open Space has no clear starting point or
ending
> point, it is taking us a long time to hear one another and realize that we
are
> all connected, and that we really do have a common question.   Maybe we
are just
> starting to discern the underlying question that called us to participate
in
> this enormous Open Space.  Maybe that question is:  How can we share
resources
> equitably on this small planet?   Or simply,  How can 'separate
selves'
> live together in peace?  And maybe we are starting to discern that there
might
> be, after all, a time limit.
>>  
>> Marty
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