just wondering

Pat Black patoitextiles at gmail.com
Thu Oct 2 11:33:29 PDT 2008


Hi JackI guess my comment reveals my worldview that everything in creation
is intelligent and conscious.  For me consciousness is about being aware of
self and other selves and developing a protocol for possibilities for that
interaction.  It is an interest or openness, an awareness of what is
present. I look at it more from an energetic/ electrical/ maybe even
biological point of view rather than psychological point of view.  What
comes to mind for me here is chemical clocks that plus back and forth
between 2 liquid elements without mixing and revealing the individual
identities of each element.  I think consciousness encompasses more than the
ability to think about thinking in the cerebral way that humans often do.
There is a consciousness in creation that happens inside of identity and
doing and the possibility for doing and implications of doing or not doing.
 The only vocabulary that I have that gets at my understanding is electrical
which after all is the fundamental driving force in our cerebral brains.  I
am just rambling now but at the core of the ability to self organize is
electrical type forces, awareness of self, awareness of other, possibility
for doing and learning on a subatomic level and those expressions of
consciousness.  This is the soup I swim in anyway.  Thanks for the question.
Pat

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Jack Martin Leith
<jack at jackmartinleith.com>wrote:

> Hello Pat.
>
> I've been trying to stay out of this conversation, but now I feel the need
> to wade in with my size 7½ boots. (That's small as UK sizes go - no
> sniggering please!)
>
> You say:
>
>
>> *They use what is available to them to form relationships and are present
>> and conscious in those possibilities as they change.*
>
>
> Conscious?
>
> I'm curious to know what you mean by that.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
>
> Jack Martin Leith
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> 2008/10/2 Pat Black <patoitextiles at gmail.com>
>
>> One of the principles used to describe the why and the how of OST is self
>> organizing systems.  This is, in my opinion, the core of why OST works.
>>  Everything in creation with the possible exception of hydrogen is self
>> organizing.  Self organizing systems are self sustaining by definition or
>> they disappear.  They use what is available to them to form relationships
>> and are present and conscious in those possibilities as they change.  As
>> their environment changes because of their activity self organizing systems
>> find uses for waste which enables their sustainability.  It is different
>> than capitalism, I think, because there is no consciousness to
>> sustainability in capitalism.  I am not very knowledgeable about economics
>> but it seems to me that capitalism does not address sustainability.  Its
>> focus is on doing what is possible in them moment without regard for
>> consequences. Seems like the best governments are able to moderate that
>> "laissez-faire" notion with consciousness about sustainability. Pat Black
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Martin Boroson <marty at becomingme.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  I am wondering …
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The philosophy of Open Space seems to promote a genuinely free market for
>>> ideas.  The underlying belief, as I understand it, is that allowing each
>>> person to follow his/her passion is the best way to discover the best ideas
>>> and solutions.  It's efficient, just like a market.  This sure sounds like
>>> the 'invisible hand' and laissez-faire capitalism to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have even sold Open Space to some corporate execs by pointing out that
>>> since they value the free market so dearly *outside* their company, they
>>> might want to try a free market *for ideas* inside their company.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I have often wondered if people on this list believe as passionately
>>> in the free market for the economy as they do in Open Space.   In the
>>> current economic crisis, as the world clamors for greater regulation – i.e.
>>> more rules and limits on the freedom of markets – I am wondering if any of
>>> you have any thoughts or insights to share.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I imagine Harrison will remind me that Open Space runs on freedom *and*responsibility… yet the responsibility asked of participants in Open Space
>>> is pretty minimal – naming their passion and showing up for their sessions
>>> and respecting others' freedom to do the same.   It's well short of
>>> socialism.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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