<div dir="ltr">Hi Jack<div>I guess my comment reveals my worldview that everything in creation is intelligent and conscious. For me consciousness is about being aware of self and other selves and developing a protocol for possibilities for that interaction. It is an interest or openness, an awareness of what is present. <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana; line-height: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">I look at it more from an energetic/ electrical/ maybe even biological point of view rather than psychological point of view. What comes to mind for me here is chemical clocks that plus back and forth between 2 liquid elements without mixing and revealing the individual identities of each element. I think consciousness encompasses more than the ability to think about thinking in the cerebral way that humans often do. There is a consciousness in creation that happens inside of identity and doing and the possibility for doing and implications of doing or not doing. The only vocabulary that I have that gets at my understanding is electrical which after all is the fundamental driving force in our cerebral brains. I am just rambling now but at the core of the ability to self organize is electrical type forces, awareness of self, awareness of other, possibility for doing and learning on a subatomic level and those expressions of consciousness. This is the soup I swim in anyway. Thanks for the question.</span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial; line-height: normal; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; ">On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Jack Martin Leith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jack@jackmartinleith.com" target="_blank">jack@jackmartinleith.com</a>></span> wrote:</span><br>
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<div>I've been trying to stay out of this conversation, but now I feel the need to wade in with my size 7˝ boots. (That's small as UK sizes go - no sniggering please!)</div>
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<div>I'm curious to know what you mean by that.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">One of the principles used to describe the why and the how of OST is self organizing systems. This is, in my opinion, the core of why OST works. Everything in creation with the possible exception of hydrogen is self organizing. Self organizing systems are self sustaining by definition or they disappear. They use what is available to them to form relationships and are present and conscious in those possibilities as they change. As their environment changes because of their activity self organizing systems find uses for waste which enables their sustainability. It is different than capitalism, I think, because there is no consciousness to sustainability in capitalism. I am not very knowledgeable about economics but it seems to me that capitalism does not address sustainability. Its focus is on doing what is possible in them moment without regard for consequences. Seems like the best governments are able to moderate that "laissez-faire" notion with consciousness about sustainability.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Martin Boroson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marty@becomingme.com" target="_blank">marty@becomingme.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p><font face="Book Antiqua" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">I am wondering …</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Book Antiqua" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">The philosophy of Open Space seems to promote a genuinely free market for ideas. The underlying belief, as I understand it, is that allowing each person to follow his/her passion is the best way to discover the best ideas and solutions. It's efficient, just like a market. This sure sounds like the 'invisible hand' and laissez-faire capitalism to me.</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Book Antiqua" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">I have even sold Open Space to some corporate execs by pointing out that since they value the free market so dearly <i><span style="font-style:italic">outside</span></i> their company, they might want to try a free market <i><span style="font-style:italic">for ideas</span></i> inside their company. </span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Book Antiqua" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">So I have often wondered if people on this list believe as passionately in the free market for the economy as they do in Open Space. In the current economic crisis, as the world clamors for greater regulation – i.e. more rules and limits on the freedom of markets – I am wondering if any of you have any thoughts or insights to share.</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Book Antiqua" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">I imagine Harrison will remind me that Open Space runs on freedom <i><span style="font-style:italic">and</span></i> responsibility… yet the responsibility asked of participants in Open Space is pretty minimal – naming their passion and showing up for their sessions and respecting others' freedom to do the same. It's well short of socialism.</span></font></p>
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