New York City
Susan Coleman
sc at colemanraider.com
Wed May 14 07:27:50 PDT 2008
Hi Laurence and everyone in NY,
I was wondering if a stammitische was edible -- which is always good
by me -- and, in the end, sounds like it sort of is so hope it self-
organizes (I too not quite ready to take the lead, but love the
idea) Susan
On May 14, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Laurence Berg wrote:
> Hi again New Yorkers (current, soon-to-be, and virtual),
>
> I would be glad to see a stammtische work here. I'm not ready to
> take the lead myself at the moment, but that won't be a problem
> since it's self-organizing ;) .
>
> Susan (fondly waving back), the stammtische (I no longer know if 'm
> spelling it correctly) is a German expression meaning "tribe
> table," which might translate as "salon." Basically it's an
> evening in a bar or restaurant with a bunch of folks interested in
> getting together with OS principles guiding the evening - whatever
> people want to talk about gets talked about, in a group or multiple
> groups. There's the OS connection, of course.
>
> I don't know how different NY really is from other cities, but I
> would amend Michael's helpful points to say that one week isn't
> enough advance notice (but a good time for a reminder). And,
> recognizing Michael is speaking American as a second language (if
> I'm not mistaken), I might also check to see if the owner is a
> female before following his suggestions to the letter ;) .
>
> -Laurence
>
> Hello NYC OSers, many of whom I know and waive to fondly, and
> greetings to you too Esther. We look forward to your arrival. What
> the heck is a stammtisch anyway?
>
> Susan
>
>
> Susan W. Coleman
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> On May 13, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Scott Gassman wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> Thank you for feeding the idea of a NYC stammtisch
>> and providing what it takes..
>> The idea appears to be taking on a life of it's own and
>> snowballing.
>> I will think about what you have shared.
>>
>> Scott
>> --
>> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Michael M Pannwitz
>> <mmpanne at boscop.org> wrote:
>> Dear Scott,
>> I love the os stammtisch in Berlin and everywhere.
>> Here some pointers from a stammtisch-pro:
>>
>> 1. The stammtisch is first of all, for you yourself, yes
>>
>> 2. So, pick your favorite place (restaurant, Bar, whatever) where
>> you like the food and drinks and invite everyone (you might try
>> the first Monday evening of every odd month)and go there. If
>> nobody comes, you had a great time at your favorite haunt and some
>> unobstructed time for you
>>
>> 3. But, alas, people will show up because they like the idea of
>> meeting you, talking (maybe) about open space and coming to an
>> event that has only a starting time
>>
>> 4. Talk to the owner (of course, you know him well) and advise him
>> that you are coming and that there may be some more people, he
>> will like that
>>
>> 5. Send an email about a week before the stammtisch inviting
>> people to join ... this mail should go to the list so that people
>> passing through NY will drop in and, it should go to all New
>> Yorkers (if all of you guys in New York include yourself in the
>> worldmap, it will be a breeze for Scott to invite you
>> (By the way, at this point, 51 of the thousands of osworkers in
>> the USA have included themselves in the worldmap, that makes for
>> an average of one per State, a grand start! %1 is exactly the
>> number of people listed for Berlin...about 20 to 40 % of them show
>> up at the stammtisch.
>> (Here is the link for including yourself
>> http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198
>>
>> If you go to the homepage of the map
>> http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/
>>
>> and click on Menu and then search and enter New York you will see
>> 3 colleagues listed)
>>
>> 6. Send out a note to the list after the stammtisch and report the
>> great stuff that happened there
>>
>> Have a grand time with your stammtisch which is the most localized
>> OSonOS in your neighborhood...especially when you cant go to the
>> regional, national or evern worldwide events.
>>
>> Greetings from Berlin
>> mmp
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott Gassman wrote:
>> Laurence,
>> Possibly with Esther's NY arrival, we could try again to initiate a
>> stammtische.
>>
>> A thought for interested NY OS folks.
>>
>> Who else would be interested here in the NY area?
>>
>> Scott Gassman
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Laurence Berg
>> <laurenceberg at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Esther,
>>
>> I'm one of the NYers who's in the OS world. (I know someone at the
>> Canadian mission, too.) Feel free to get in touch.
>>
>> By the way, I once tried to initiate a stammtische with some
>> others and it
>> didn't get off the ground here. NY is an odd place.
>>
>> -Laurence
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> Hi Susan,
>
> Thanks for the welcome. "Stammtisch" is the german word for that
> table in a restaurant or pub where the regulars sit at for a beer
> or something after work or at night. In rural Germany, there is
> always (or was when I lived there 15 years ago) a table marked
> "stammtisch", pretty much reserved for these regulars. So they know
> that when they come, they'll meet other regulars and have a place
> to sit and talk. And as in OS, whoever comes... whenever.. Right
> Michael?
>
> Here's a copy/paste of an explanation of OS Stammtisch Michael
> provided a few months back :
>
> "A stammtisch is a regular gathering at a regular time (like every
> Tuesday evening, or once a month or, as is the case with the os
> stammtische around the planet, every Monday of every odd month at
> 7pm)where people interested in a particular aspect of life, as for
> instance open space, gather for beer (other drinks are perfectly
> ok) and food as everyone wishes and talk with each other about
> whatever is on top of your mind regarding open space (in a broader
> sense). People come and go as they find useful, some arrive at 7 pm
> (I usually even earlier to secure a table and talk to the people in
> the pub), some as late as 11 pm and it will usually last until well
> past midnight. No agenda, lots of energy. Last stammtisch in Berlin
> several people came because they needed work (in os, of course),
> well, they in fact found others that were looking for help. So its
> networking, creating collaboration, new ideas are born, people
> bring stuff for each other to look at (pictures, a couple of books
> of proceedings from recent open spaces, a bottle of brandy from
> Kyiv, there are always a couple of laptops to show things to each
> other and to write an email to another stammtisch lets say in Kyiv
> or Budapest..).
> Often, there are also visitors from other countries passing through
> Berlin that are real open space stammtisch addicts, they have heard
> of the Berlin one and join. So its international, too."
>
> Here in Montreal, we usually gather around 6 pm,have a beer,
> dinner, talk, and people leave around 8:30 or 9:00.
>
> Maybe we will meet at a future NY stammtisch :-)
>
> Esther M.
>
>
> At 12:16 2008-05-13, you wrote:
>> Hello NYC OSers, many of whom I know and waive to fondly, and
>> greetings to you too Esther. We look forward to your arrival.
>> What the heck is a stammtisch anyway?
>>
>> Susan
>>
>>
>> Susan W. Coleman
>>
>> Coleman Raider International
>> --Negotiation & Conflict Resolution, Coaching,
>> Collaborative Change Strategies
>>
>> Susan W. Coleman, J.D., M.P.A.
>> Tel: (845) 424 8300
>> Cellular: (845) 661 0350
>> Fax: (845) 424 3853
>> Email: sc at colemanraider.com
>> Webpage: http://www.colemanraider.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 13, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Scott Gassman wrote:
>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> Thank you for feeding the idea of a NYC stammtisch
>>> and providing what it takes..
>>> The idea appears to be taking on a life of it's own and
>>> snowballing.
>>> I will think about what you have shared.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>> --
>>> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Michael M Pannwitz
>>> <mmpanne at boscop.org> wrote:
>>> Dear Scott,
>>> I love the os stammtisch in Berlin and everywhere.
>>> Here some pointers from a stammtisch-pro:
>>>
>>> 1. The stammtisch is first of all, for you yourself, yes
>>>
>>> 2. So, pick your favorite place (restaurant, Bar, whatever) where
>>> you like the food and drinks and invite everyone (you might try
>>> the first Monday evening of every odd month)and go there. If
>>> nobody comes, you had a great time at your favorite haunt and
>>> some unobstructed time for you
>>>
>>> 3. But, alas, people will show up because they like the idea of
>>> meeting you, talking (maybe) about open space and coming to an
>>> event that has only a starting time
>>>
>>> 4. Talk to the owner (of course, you know him well) and advise
>>> him that you are coming and that there may be some more people,
>>> he will like that
>>>
>>> 5. Send an email about a week before the stammtisch inviting
>>> people to join ... this mail should go to the list so that people
>>> passing through NY will drop in and, it should go to all New
>>> Yorkers (if all of you guys in New York include yourself in the
>>> worldmap, it will be a breeze for Scott to invite you
>>> (By the way, at this point, 51 of the thousands of osworkers in
>>> the USA have included themselves in the worldmap, that makes for
>>> an average of one per State, a grand start! %1 is exactly the
>>> number of people listed for Berlin...about 20 to 40 % of them
>>> show up at the stammtisch.
>>> (Here is the link for including yourself
>>> http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198
>>>
>>>
>>> If you go to the homepage of the map
>>> http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/
>>>
>>>
>>> and click on Menu and then search and enter New York you will see
>>> 3 colleagues listed)
>>>
>>> 6. Send out a note to the list after the stammtisch and report
>>> the great stuff that happened there
>>>
>>> Have a grand time with your stammtisch which is the most
>>> localized OSonOS in your neighborhood...especially when you cant
>>> go to the regional, national or evern worldwide events.
>>>
>>> Greetings from Berlin
>>> mmp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott Gassman wrote:
>>> Laurence,
>>> Possibly with Esther's NY arrival, we could try again to initiate a
>>> stammtische.
>>>
>>> A thought for interested NY OS folks.
>>>
>>> Who else would be interested here in the NY area?
>>>
>>> Scott Gassman
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Laurence Berg
>>> <laurenceberg at gmail.com >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Esther,
>>>
>>> I'm one of the NYers who's in the OS world. (I know someone at the
>>> Canadian mission, too.) Feel free to get in touch.
>>>
>>> By the way, I once tried to initiate a stammtische with some
>>> others and it
>>> didn't get off the ground here. NY is an odd place.
>>>
>>> -Laurence
>>>
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> Arno
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> Raffi Aftandelian wrote:
> Jack, thanks much for starting this conversation and thank you Arno
> and
> Wendy for your upper-middle browed catmatism. In this same vain,
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> off-err sum moor thoughts on Open Spay(s): purr-sion deux paw o.
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> Right, Esther M., I know you will have a great time at the NY
> Stammtisch...its space and time for just about anything to happen,
> even a discussion on OS 2.f or the best recipes for dips for
> fingerfood for Open Space buffets, classical, 2.f style or whatever
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
> Communications Esther Matte wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> Thanks for the welcome. "Stammtisch" is the german word for that
> table in a restaurant or pub where the regulars sit at for a beer
> or something after work or at night. In rural Germany, there is
> always (or was when I lived there 15 years ago) a table marked
> "stammtisch", pretty much reserved for these regulars. So they know
> that when they come, they'll meet other regulars and have a place
> to sit and talk. And as in OS, whoever comes... whenever.. Right
> Michael?
>
> Here's a copy/paste of an explanation of OS Stammtisch Michael
> provided a few months back :
>
> "A stammtisch is a regular gathering at a regular time (like every
> Tuesday evening, or once a month or, as is the case with the os
> stammtische around the planet, every Monday of every odd month at
> 7pm)where people interested in a particular aspect of life, as for
> instance open space, gather for beer (other drinks are perfectly
> ok) and food as everyone wishes and talk with each other about
> whatever is on top of your mind regarding open space (in a broader
> sense). People come and go as they find useful, some arrive at 7 pm
> (I usually even earlier to secure a table and talk to the people in
> the pub), some as late as 11 pm and it will usually last until well
> past midnight. No agenda, lots of energy. Last stammtisch in Berlin
> several people came because they needed work (in os, of course),
> well, they in fact found others that were looking for help. So its
> networking, creating collaboration, new ideas are born, people
> bring stuff for each other to look at (pictures, a couple of books
> of proceedings from recent open spaces, a bottle of brandy from
> Kyiv, there are always a couple of laptops to show things to each
> other and to write an email to another stammtisch lets say in Kyiv
> or Budapest..).
> Often, there are also visitors from other countries passing through
> Berlin that are real open space stammtisch addicts, they have heard
> of the Berlin one and join. So its international, too."
>
> Here in Montreal, we usually gather around 6 pm,have a beer,
> dinner, talk, and people leave around 8:30 or 9:00.
>
> Maybe we will meet at a future NY stammtisch :-)
>
> Esther M.
>
>
> At 12:16 2008-05-13, you wrote:
> Hello NYC OSers, many of whom I know and waive to fondly, and
> greetings to you too Esther. We look forward to your arrival. What
> the heck is a stammtisch anyway?
>
> Susan
>
>
> Susan W. Coleman
>
> Coleman Raider International
> --Negotiation & Conflict Resolution, Coaching,
> Collaborative Change Strategies
>
> Susan W. Coleman, J.D., M.P.A.
> Tel: (845) 424 8300
> Cellular: (845) 661 0350
> Fax: (845) 424 3853
> Email: <mailto:sc at colemanraider.com>sc at colemanraider.com
> Webpage: <http://www.colemanraider.com/>http://
> www.colemanraider.com
>
>
>
> On May 13, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Scott Gassman wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> Thank you for feeding the idea of a NYC stammtisch
> and providing what it takes..
> The idea appears to be taking on a life of it's own and
> snowballing.
> I will think about what you have shared.
>
> Scott
> --
> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Michael M Pannwitz
> <<mailto:mmpanne at boscop.org>mmpanne at boscop.org> wrote:
> Dear Scott,
> I love the os stammtisch in Berlin and everywhere.
> Here some pointers from a stammtisch-pro:
>
> 1. The stammtisch is first of all, for you yourself, yes
>
> 2. So, pick your favorite place (restaurant, Bar, whatever) where
> you like the food and drinks and invite everyone (you might try the
> first Monday evening of every odd month)and go there. If nobody
> comes, you had a great time at your favorite haunt and some
> unobstructed time for you
>
> 3. But, alas, people will show up because they like the idea of
> meeting you, talking (maybe) about open space and coming to an
> event that has only a starting time
>
> 4. Talk to the owner (of course, you know him well) and advise him
> that you are coming and that there may be some more people, he will
> like that
>
> 5. Send an email about a week before the stammtisch inviting people
> to join ... this mail should go to the list so that people passing
> through NY will drop in and, it should go to all New Yorkers (if
> all of you guys in New York include yourself in the worldmap, it
> will be a breeze for Scott to invite you
> (By the way, at this point, 51 of the thousands of osworkers in the
> USA have included themselves in the worldmap, that makes for an
> average of one per State, a grand start! %1 is exactly the number
> of people listed for Berlin...about 20 to 40 % of them show up at
> the stammtisch.
> (Here is the link for including yourself
> <http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198>http://
> www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198
>
>
> If you go to the homepage of the map
> <http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/>http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/
>
>
> and click on Menu and then search and enter New York you will see 3
> colleagues listed)
>
> 6. Send out a note to the list after the stammtisch and report the
> great stuff that happened there
>
> Have a grand time with your stammtisch which is the most localized
> OSonOS in your neighborhood...especially when you cant go to the
> regional, national or evern worldwide events.
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
>
>
> Scott Gassman wrote:
> Laurence,
> Possibly with Esther's NY arrival, we could try again to initiate a
> stammtische.
>
> A thought for interested NY OS folks.
>
> Who else would be interested here in the NY area?
>
> Scott Gassman
>
>
> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Laurence Berg
> <<mailto:laurenceberg at gmail.com>laurenceberg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Esther,
>
> I'm one of the NYers who's in the OS world. (I know someone at the
> Canadian mission, too.) Feel free to get in touch.
>
> By the way, I once tried to initiate a stammtische with some others
> and it
> didn't get off the ground here. NY is an odd place.
>
> -Laurence
>
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> Fresh back from a little over a month in Moscow and St. Petersburg
> working
> with OST and related approaches, I'd like to share a little of my
> impressions and questions. Overall, not sure there is much here to
> add to
> the larger Open Space conversation, but I feel it is important to
> share
> nonetheless. I'm also sharing here not just on OST but related
> approaches in
> part because I think all of this work spoke to creating and
> experiencing the
> larger Open Space of life.
>
> I arrived in Moscow the evening of April 2nd and the morning of
> April 4th
> conducted a one day Introduction to Dynamic Facilitation (DF)
> workshop for a
> group of corporate trainers at the invitation of a trainer
> development club
> called the Mark Kukushkin Open Trainer University (otumka.ru) I've
> only been
> working with DF for six months and most of that experience has been
> one on
> one phone work. So, it was definitely a risk to go ahead and offer
> this
> workshop to a group of 15.
>
> It helped to frame this workshop as an experiment and also to
> invite people
> to set aside all their knowledge about training and learning aside
> for the
> purposes of the workshop. Even though- as I expected- DF did not
> deliver a
> breakthrough or aha!- 1 ¼ hours is just not enough time in the
> space of a
> daylong workshop to experience that- the short time they had to
> practice and
> also to reflect on the process. Open Space principles using a Whole
> Person
> Process Facilitation container
> (http://genuinecontact.net/mtg_whole_person.html) informed the
> design for
> this and all the other workshops conducted during my stay. By the
> end of the
> workshop even the most skeptical saw value in the approach and seemed
> interested in trying it out even (or especially?) as it challenged
> most
> directly the whole Change Management paradigm.
>
> Inspired by the example of Thomas Herrmann, I'll be following up
> with this
> (and the other groups) 4-6 months from now to evaluate the
> effectiveness of
> these workshops.
>
> April 5th was a full day Introduction to OST workshop at the same
> trainer
> club, with a few of the same participants, altogether a group of
> 15. Olga
> Zolotareva, previously a corporate trainer with Beeline, one of
> Russia's Big
> Three cellular providers, co-held the space within the workshop for
> a 4 hour
> OST meeting "My growth edges as a trainer/coach: issues and
> opportunities."
> Among the 10 topics:
>
> "How to win a corporate tender"
> "What benefit is there in corporate learning programs?"
> "The coach/trainer at the summit: what does she/he think about?"
> "Different applications of OST"
> "Knowledge management in trainings"
>
> A mini-non-convergence was held – if I'm using the term correctly-
> where
> participants were invited to develop action plans, announce a new
> topic, or
> further discuss a previously announced topic.
>
> This was perhaps a first time in my experience in really being able to
> discern what words in explaining how they would be invited to work
> would
> best serve the group. And special attention was given to reduce the
> Magic
> Charm Effect in part by pausing and having silence in the opening
> only so
> much and not to a point that could cause discomfort among the
> participants.
> It has really helped to listen over and over to disk one of
> "Understanding
> Open Space" and to hear how Harrison subtly invites the shamanic in
> the
> opening..
>
> Part of what was emphasized in the context of this OST meeting was:
> a) an invitation to consider what personal successes they were
> embarrassed
> of- a way of considering perhaps that sometimes success is really a
> time
> when one held back and didn't take the full risk and did something
> well but
> not terribly differently from before; in other words control was
> not let go of
>
> b) an invitation to consider which personal oops, failures,
> catastrophes,
> and fiascoes they have to celebrate as delicious indications of growth
> opportunities, road signs which scream loudly "take risk here!"
>
> This seasoning in the opening really seemed to help the group to get
> straight to work as if they'd taken part in OST many times before
> (they hadn't).
>
> The overall design for the OST one day learning workshop was:
>
> Introductions (a process-facilitated "transfer-in" using illegally
> imported
> into Russia natural objects from San Diego, Florida, and Iran.
> Participants
> took an object from the center and were invited to ask themselves
> what the
> object told them about what brought them to the workshop)
>
> A little about the workshop- with an invitation to set aside
> everything they
> know about training, facilitation for the duration of the workshop to
> maximize their own benefit from the workshop
>
> Hopes and fears- work in groups of four on identifying their own
> hopes and
> fears regarding the workshop
>
> A break
>
> Then the 4 hour OST meeting
>
> Another short break
>
> And then five questions were posted around the room – drawing on
> the core
> questions, as I understand them, in the Genuine Contact Program's
> three-four
> day OST learning workshop -
>
> - what do the participants, sponsor, facilitator feel during an
> OST meeting?
> - what is OST?
> - what are key elements of OST's form?
> - what are key elements of OST's essence?
> - what does the facilitator do to prepare the sponsor, facilitate
> the OST
> meeting, and to follow up?
>
> And the participants were invited work with these 5 "sessions"
> simultaneously for 30 minutes as if in OS. They were also invited to
> announce any other sessions, which they did. Time was set aside to
> answer
> any questions. And I did a little presentation about when to use/
> not use
> OST, working with the sponsor, and the energetics of walking the
> circle
> (sorry, Jack!, no meditations on the romantic quality of a Brighton
> bicycle
> horn!) with a little bit of practice with the whole group in the last.
>
> At the end of the workshop, I invited anyone who cared to to step
> forward to
> conduct a week later a follow up meeting and a further meeting 4-6
> months
> down the line. Doesn't look like it will happen.
>
> It was really refreshing to see how easily people for the most part
> took to
> this kind of facilitation and to see how much ground could be
> covered in the
> space of a day.
>
> Overall, it was really palpable how in the space of less than a
> year and a
> half- since the last time I was in Russia, living there- how time has
> speeded up even more and space is even more compressed. On the one
> hand
> there seems to be less space for grassroot initiatives and social
> change –
> what with the continuing building by the Kremlin of the so-called
> Power
> Vertical-, and on the other hand the soil, air, water seem even
> riper than
> ever for Open Space.
>
> People just took to it like ducks to water, even if at the outset
> of the
> workshop there was this energy of people sitting with crossed arms
> with a
> look that seemed to say "What does this American have to show us?!"
>
> The following day Sergei Shchepilov and Anna Bernikova who some met
> at the
> Kiev or Moscow WOSonOS held the space for a daylong stammtische/
> mentoring
> circle for about ten of us in Moscow. The romantic process-oriented
> in me
> was magically charmed by the use of the jaw harp and a Russian
> jerry-rigged
> version of the Tibetan temple bells- Sergei took the "tongue" out
> of two
> Valdai bells and strung them together. Not sure there were any
> specific
> business results from our gathering but it was great fun, OS
> storytelling,
> and conversation held in a perfect space: an nonprofit art gallery
> displaying paintings by children with disabilities.
>
> A little over a week later conducted an 1.5 hour storytelling
> workshop at
> Intertraining's annual gathering of trainers and consultants. Just
> about
> everyone – a group of 13- was surprised –almost uncomfortably so-
> how deep a
> group of people who had never met before can get with a simple
> storytelling
> circle. So many layers of meaning, so many questions elicited from the
> stories told.
>
> And before heading off for St. Petersburg, I conducted another daylong
> workshop, an Introduction to Dynamic Facilitation with a nonprofit
> organization that invited me to do an OST strategic planning session a
> number of years ago and now was regularly using OST for its own
> strategic
> planning and programmatic work. Aside from yet another set of
> aha's! from
> people participating in the DF workshop it was exciting to hear
> that they
> were now interested in exploring becoming a Conscious Open Space
> Organization. Indeed, when they first experienced OST, they
> exclaimed "Why,
> we've always been in Open Space!" Looking forward to following up
> with them
> on this.
>
> The Coaching Institute (coachinstitute.ru) in St. Petersburg had
> invited me
> to conduct a three day OST learning workshop (as part of the
> Genuine Contact
> Program). Previously, on the list I'd mentioned their bimonthly
> initiative
> in partnership with other organizations, the Director's Club
> (directorclub.ru), a three hour OST meeting for CEO's of St.
> Petersburg-based companies. Talking with them before, during, and
> after the
> workshop, I really came to appreciate and admire their work deeply.
>
> The coaching they teach in their two year program is really
> something at the
> nexus of coaching, psychotherapy, and facilitative leadership adapting
> Western approaches to a Russian context. The Law of Two Feet – "the
> courage
> to express what you want" in their parlance- carries through
> everything they
> do. And I felt privileged to be conducting this learning workshop
> with one
> of four organizations I have worked with in Russia that make an
> intimate
> connection between Spirit and Practice.
>
> The structure of the workshop was essentially working with the same
> questions as in the one day workshop, of course in more depth.
> Altogether
> there were about 15 participants, including from the North Caucasus
> and
> Siberia, about 1/3 were from the Coaching Institute, 2/3 were from
> other
> (commercial) organizations or were representing themselves.
> Surprisingly,
> some of the workshop participants had never even heard of OST
> before and yet
> based on the workshop announcement had elected to come from
> thousands of
> miles away!
>
> As part of the workshop there was a four hour OST meeting on the
> topic of
> "Creating Healthy Organizations: Issues and Opportunities."
>
> Seven topics were announced, and there was again a non-convergence.
> Among
> the topics:
>
> Russian business: Is it healthy? And to what extent?
> The health of the CEO and the health of the organization- what is the
> connection?
> Using training and psychological workshops to introduce corporate
> standards
> into a dealer network
> Ambitious people, Grand goals: How can organizations avoid limiting
> them and
> rather use them fully?
> The consultant's role in organizational renewal: what is he/she truly
> capable of?
>
> Highlights for the participants included the Whole Person Process
> design of
> the workshop. Participants remarked on the surprising spaciousness
> of the
> learning experience throughout and how the learning process seemed
> to be
> markedly different from a typical training.
>
> As a group we did return to and talk about the original invitation
> for the
> workshop. Initially, people who'd signed for the workshop had been
> invited
> to co-design and co-lead the whole workshop, including the prep
> work and
> follow-up work connected with it.
>
> Seeing as this was the first time I'd ever extended such an
> invitation for a
> workshop and that the group hadn't apparently had prior experience,
> this did
> not happen. What did happen, however, was planting of seeds and my
> sharing
> some of my beliefs with the group that anytime we are in a learning
> situation where there is a set program – even if it can be changed
> – the
> open space for wonder and imagination, for giving birth to practical,
> applicable situational knowledge is rather limited. That the deep
> learning
> happens where the formal workshop leaders and participants are
> partners in
> developing the workshop and its implementation and follow up. Who
> knows,
> maybe next time the group might be able and willing to respond to
> this kind
> of invitation?
>
> Speaking of invitation, the personal practice of invitation and
> inviting
> leadership (as elaborated by Chris Corrigan and Michael Herman)
> really had
> people buzzing. It felt really liberating that they were being invited
> throughout to engage in whatever was planned, no need to "manage" the
> participants!
>
> The Coaching Institute people really seem to take a ball and run
> with it.
> Very curious as to where they take this further.
>
> The group was invited to join the larger OS and Genuine Contact
> community
> and looking forward to seeing them on an OSlist or a WOSonOS near you!
>
> The following day I had the pleasure of working again with the
> Soldiers
> Mothers of St. Petersburg
> (http://www.soldiersmothers.ru/pages/english/presentation.htm) A
> number of
> years ago I shared a little about working with them in OST. This
> time I
> introduced them to Dynamic Facilitation, working with internal
> organizational issues. One of the aha's from our two days of work
> together
> was that in this highly turbulent time the main thing the organization
> should focus on at a minimum is just to remain open, continue
> operating. The
> organization just by its existence plants many seeds and the day
> will come
> when the Power Vertical will just shift by itself into the Power
> Horizontal.
>
> We also continued an earlier conversation on how the organization
> might
> potentially co-organize a series of public conversations using OST
> with
> "problem" military bases – where a culture of torture and forced
> prostitution of recruits is especially pronounced- on how they can
> work
> together. This is not entirely a science fiction notion, it is doable.
> Ideas, thoughts on moving this concept forward are welcome!
>
> And lastly in the oops! department – and frankly, I share this to also
> invite others on the list to share their oops!, however small; I
> think we
> learn more from each others' boo-boos more than from our glorious
> triumphs,
> inspiring as they may be-: in doing a one day strategic session
> toward the
> end of my stay with one organization, with a group of ten, I made a
> grave
> error: one of the participants was there with her two year old. I'd
> seen the
> child beforehand but it had not occurred to me to give thought to
> how the
> child might invite an additional dimension during the opening.
> Needless to
> say, during the opening, the child fell quite in love with the
> temple bells
> (Magick charms again?) and dragged them across the floor making
> quite a
> ruckus. It was a very messy, unclear opening for many of the
> participants.
> And on top of that, many said they did not feel like I'd held the
> space.
> They'd wished that I'd been in full view even if I was not party to
> the
> conversations. And yet, my experience was that I was breathing with
> them the
> whole time, sitting in the closest room, thinking of the group, and
> making
> sure that I would not be too close to hear their conversations!
> Indeed, the
> sponsor said he felt cheated. It was important to the group after the
> closing just for me to hear them out, and for me to honestly
> acknowledge
> where I felt I'd come up short…and where I hadn't. And to honestly and
> openly express my sadness about how things had not worked out as
> wished for.
>
> I don't think that's the whole story, because others expressed
> privately
> that this was a very productive meeting, with a chance to really
> get real in
> a way that does not usually happen in their business meetings. Another
> remarked that the meeting took their organization to a qualitatively
> different level. Still much to chew on here!
>
> At the Moscow WOSonOS in 2006 Birgitt (Williams) shared how she was
> – in her
> words- probably a slow learner as she found something new in OST
> and OS
> every time she invited Harrison for a learning workshop in Canada
> for seven
> years in a row. Indeed, my key learning from that WOSonOS is that I
> know
> (next to?) nothing about OS/OST.
>
> I continue to make these huge, basic mistakes. If OS and OST has
> taught me
> anything, however, it has helped me to be more forgiving of myself
> and others.
>
> One of the personally satisfying things to hear in the OST learning
> workshop
> was a sense from the participants that the workshop leader really
> seemed to
> live the principles of the approach. As I continue to wonder if I
> have a
> personal practice of OS and what it looks like, it's heartening to
> hear such
> feedback for the first time!
>
> Thank you for reading and letting me share this story. And
> continuing to
> marvel and enjoy being part of the OS/GC communities.
>
> In appreciative granularity,
> raffi
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> Dear Jack and all,
>
> Putting the Discordian funny bone aside, it's great to have a
> conversation
> about an updated version of OS, dogmatism, and the like.
>
> An Open Space Establishment is probably not an oxymoron for one
> good reason:
> in any community - even in an ostensibly highly inclusive one-
> there is a
> mainstream and a margin. Who is in the mainstream and in the margin is
> another question and what purpose it would serve to even identify
> the two is
> not clear.
>
> The list from your micro-site of OS 1.0 "nevers" and "always" is a
> fair one,
> *and* just about all of those pieces of dogma have long been
> challenged here.
>
> Yes, OST is a very forgiving and adaptable approach *and* I wonder
> what is
> lost energetically when more and more of those elements of form are
> tossed.
>
> I don't necessarily feel comfortable using tibetan temple bells,
> but I have
> yet to come across something that produces a sound that invites a
> similar
> level of presence. Yes, you don't *need* to do something to invite
> presence
> in the beginning, *and* the quality of space created when presence is
> invited is definitely different (preferable?).
>
> Perhaps part of the question is how to minimize an experience of the
> culturally dissonant mystical and yet invite presence?
>
> If there were an OS 2.0 - and I'm curious what you might come up with-
> perhaps it would have less to do with the Internet, web-based social
> networking and possibly more to do with answering the question(s):
>
> How do we create permanent physical spaces that matter? How do we
> create
> third places that matter? How do we create permanent community
> spaces for
> people to talk about what is really important?
>
> The Internet, Web 2.0 are great and I think they aid us in bringing
> more of
> the head into the complex inter-human collaborative equation, not
> sure how
> well our bodies, hearts, and Spirits are enabled or engaged with this
> technology...
>
> And perhaps those questions about creating physical space just
> might make it
> to a Village Marketplace at a WOSonOS near you...
>
> appreciatively,
> raffi
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> Hey New Yorkers...
>
> I'll be in New York in the next couple of weeks as well, and
> although I'm not making any promises about getting together, there
> is a little group of folks I know and have been working with who
> might be interested in an NYC Stammtisch.
>
> So let's keep in touch!
>
> Chris
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Michael M Pannwitz
> <mmpanne at boscop.org> wrote:
> Right, Esther M., I know you will have a great time at the NY
> Stammtisch...its space and time for just about anything to happen,
> even a discussion on OS 2.f or the best recipes for dips for
> fingerfood for Open Space buffets, classical, 2.f style or whatever
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
> Communications Esther Matte wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> Thanks for the welcome. "Stammtisch" is the german word for that
> table in a restaurant or pub where the regulars sit at for a beer
> or something after work or at night. In rural Germany, there is
> always (or was when I lived there 15 years ago) a table marked
> "stammtisch", pretty much reserved for these regulars. So they know
> that when they come, they'll meet other regulars and have a place
> to sit and talk. And as in OS, whoever comes... whenever.. Right
> Michael?
>
> Here's a copy/paste of an explanation of OS Stammtisch Michael
> provided a few months back :
>
> "A stammtisch is a regular gathering at a regular time (like every
> Tuesday evening, or once a month or, as is the case with the os
> stammtische around the planet, every Monday of every odd month at
> 7pm)where people interested in a particular aspect of life, as for
> instance open space, gather for beer (other drinks are perfectly
> ok) and food as everyone wishes and talk with each other about
> whatever is on top of your mind regarding open space (in a broader
> sense). People come and go as they find useful, some arrive at 7 pm
> (I usually even earlier to secure a table and talk to the people in
> the pub), some as late as 11 pm and it will usually last until well
> past midnight. No agenda, lots of energy. Last stammtisch in Berlin
> several people came because they needed work (in os, of course),
> well, they in fact found others that were looking for help. So its
> networking, creating collaboration, new ideas are born, people
> bring stuff for each other to look at (pictures, a couple of books
> of proceedings from recent open spaces, a bottle of brandy from
> Kyiv, there are always a couple of laptops to show things to each
> other and to write an email to another stammtisch lets say in Kyiv
> or Budapest..).
> Often, there are also visitors from other countries passing through
> Berlin that are real open space stammtisch addicts, they have heard
> of the Berlin one and join. So its international, too."
>
> Here in Montreal, we usually gather around 6 pm,have a beer,
> dinner, talk, and people leave around 8:30 or 9:00.
>
> Maybe we will meet at a future NY stammtisch :-)
>
> Esther M.
>
>
> At 12:16 2008-05-13, you wrote:
> Hello NYC OSers, many of whom I know and waive to fondly, and
> greetings to you too Esther. We look forward to your arrival. What
> the heck is a stammtisch anyway?
>
> Susan
>
>
> Susan W. Coleman
>
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> Collaborative Change Strategies
>
> Susan W. Coleman, J.D., M.P.A.
> Tel: (845) 424 8300
> Cellular: (845) 661 0350
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> www.colemanraider.com
>
>
>
>
> On May 13, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Scott Gassman wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> Thank you for feeding the idea of a NYC stammtisch
> and providing what it takes..
> The idea appears to be taking on a life of it's own and
> snowballing.
> I will think about what you have shared.
>
> Scott
> --
> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Michael M Pannwitz
> <<mailto:mmpanne at boscop.org>mmpanne at boscop.org> wrote:
> Dear Scott,
> I love the os stammtisch in Berlin and everywhere.
> Here some pointers from a stammtisch-pro:
>
> 1. The stammtisch is first of all, for you yourself, yes
>
> 2. So, pick your favorite place (restaurant, Bar, whatever) where
> you like the food and drinks and invite everyone (you might try the
> first Monday evening of every odd month)and go there. If nobody
> comes, you had a great time at your favorite haunt and some
> unobstructed time for you
>
> 3. But, alas, people will show up because they like the idea of
> meeting you, talking (maybe) about open space and coming to an
> event that has only a starting time
>
> 4. Talk to the owner (of course, you know him well) and advise him
> that you are coming and that there may be some more people, he will
> like that
>
> 5. Send an email about a week before the stammtisch inviting people
> to join ... this mail should go to the list so that people passing
> through NY will drop in and, it should go to all New Yorkers (if
> all of you guys in New York include yourself in the worldmap, it
> will be a breeze for Scott to invite you
> (By the way, at this point, 51 of the thousands of osworkers in the
> USA have included themselves in the worldmap, that makes for an
> average of one per State, a grand start! %1 is exactly the number
> of people listed for Berlin...about 20 to 40 % of them show up at
> the stammtisch.
> (Here is the link for including yourself
> <http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198>http://
> www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198
>
>
> If you go to the homepage of the map
> <http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/>http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/
>
>
>
> and click on Menu and then search and enter New York you will see 3
> colleagues listed)
>
> 6. Send out a note to the list after the stammtisch and report the
> great stuff that happened there
>
> Have a grand time with your stammtisch which is the most localized
> OSonOS in your neighborhood...especially when you cant go to the
> regional, national or evern worldwide events.
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
>
>
> Scott Gassman wrote:
> Laurence,
> Possibly with Esther's NY arrival, we could try again to initiate a
> stammtische.
>
> A thought for interested NY OS folks.
>
> Who else would be interested here in the NY area?
>
> Scott Gassman
>
>
> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Laurence Berg
> <<mailto:laurenceberg at gmail.com>laurenceberg at gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Esther,
>
> I'm one of the NYers who's in the OS world. (I know someone at the
> Canadian mission, too.) Feel free to get in touch.
>
> By the way, I once tried to initiate a stammtische with some others
> and it
> didn't get off the ground here. NY is an odd place.
>
> -Laurence
>
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