Heroine's Journey and OST

[Harrison Owen]

Doug -- I guess I am with Doc. I don't see any particular masculine or
feminine version of the Tale. Obviously men and women will do it
differently, but that is a matter of detail. And to go on a journey you
never have to leave home -- as a matter of fact being home (with fires and
all) can be quite an adventure. But the basic pattern of going on an
adventure where you risk all, and in the process are transformed -- and then
return with boons to offer -- is a universal story, I think.

Harrison

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Doc--

As I recall the conversations from several years ago the things these
women and men taught me started with the idea that the feminine role has
often been to stay home when the male went off into the world. The
journey therefore was more a staying and pondering and tending the
hearth fires and the children and family, staying near home while
pregnant, nurturing. Or think of the crone, offering wisdom of the moon.

For some reason I am thinking they made reference to a book called
something like The Chalice and the Blade.

So I started out as you have said, seeing nothing gender specific in the
Heroe's Journey, then finding that there was more depth to be explored.

Back then to the question, how would all this map to OS? Can we be
inclusive of these notions, too?

It is possible I can find the notes and delve deeper....

			:- Doug.




On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 09:19 -0500, Steven List wrote:
> Doug,
> 
> The question implies a gender-based difference of some sort, whereas
> Campbell and others don't seem to imply that The Hero's Journey is in any
> way gender-specific.  In reading the materials about The Hero's Journey,
it
> seems to me that Hero == Person.
> 
> Referring back to the summary from Wikipedia
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth):
> 
>    1. A call to adventure, which the hero has to accept or decline
>    2. A road of trials, regarding which the hero succeeds or fails
>    3. Achieving the goal or "boon", which often results in important
> self-knowledge
>    4. A return to the ordinary world, again as to which the hero can
succeed
> or fail
>    5. Applying the boon, in which what the hero has gained can be used to
> improve the world
> 
> I can't see anything whatsoever that is gender-specific in this Monomyth.
> And I think that's the key to both the understanding of it as it applies
to
> human beings and its applicability and agelessness.
> 
> There have been many females heroes in human history and myth whose
journeys
> have corresponded to the mapping in The Hero's Journey.
> 
> It seems to me that whoever asked the question must first ask themselves
why
> they think "hero" == "man".
> 
> When I say "my mother is one of my heroes" (which I do say), I don't think
> of saying "my mother is one of my heroines".  The gender-ness of the
concept
> is irrelevant to me, and generally to my listeners.  I can't remember a
> single instance when someone has said to me "don't you mean that your
mother
> is one of your HEROINES?"
> 
> --Doc
> 
> >> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
> >> douglas germann
> >> 
> >> A few years ago I did a combined OS and intro for a meeting of the
> >> Religious Society of Friends (Quakers), in which we started talking
> >> about the Heroe's Journey. The question soon was asked--What about the
> >> Heroine's Journey?
> >> 
> >> What is the Heroine's Journey, and how does it map to OS?
> >> 
> >> 			:- Doug. Germann
> 
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