Heroine's Journey and OST
Steven List
anotherthought at gmail.com
Sun Mar 23 07:19:29 PDT 2008
Doug,
The question implies a gender-based difference of some sort, whereas
Campbell and others don't seem to imply that The Hero's Journey is in any
way gender-specific. In reading the materials about The Hero's Journey, it
seems to me that Hero == Person.
Referring back to the summary from Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth):
1. A call to adventure, which the hero has to accept or decline
2. A road of trials, regarding which the hero succeeds or fails
3. Achieving the goal or "boon", which often results in important
self-knowledge
4. A return to the ordinary world, again as to which the hero can succeed
or fail
5. Applying the boon, in which what the hero has gained can be used to
improve the world
I can't see anything whatsoever that is gender-specific in this Monomyth.
And I think that's the key to both the understanding of it as it applies to
human beings and its applicability and agelessness.
There have been many females heroes in human history and myth whose journeys
have corresponded to the mapping in The Hero's Journey.
It seems to me that whoever asked the question must first ask themselves why
they think "hero" == "man".
When I say "my mother is one of my heroes" (which I do say), I don't think
of saying "my mother is one of my heroines". The gender-ness of the concept
is irrelevant to me, and generally to my listeners. I can't remember a
single instance when someone has said to me "don't you mean that your mother
is one of your HEROINES?"
--Doc
>> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> douglas germann
>>
>> A few years ago I did a combined OS and intro for a meeting of the
>> Religious Society of Friends (Quakers), in which we started talking
>> about the Heroe's Journey. The question soon was asked--What about the
>> Heroine's Journey?
>>
>> What is the Heroine's Journey, and how does it map to OS?
>>
>> :- Doug. Germann
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>From Sun Mar 23 13:29:31 2008
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Hi--
Just ran across this piece from 1910, predating I and Thou, which you
might enjoy finding correspondences to OS, among other things. Do you
see the man in the hat in this? <grin>
The kingdom, the community of beings, is not something
artificial and arbitrary, but something inborn and
self-determining. 'The kingdom is a spiritual instrument and
cannot be made. He who makes it destroys it' (L[ao-tzu]).
Therefore what is called ruling by man is no ruling but a
destroying. He who interferes with the natural life of the
kingdom, he who wants to lead, master, and determine it from the
outside, he annihilates it, he loses it. He who guards and
unfolds the natural life of the kingdom, he who does not impose
upon it command and compulsion, but submerges himself in it,
listens to its secret message, and brings it to light and to
work, he rules it in truth. He performs the non-action; he does
not interfere, but guards and unfolds what wills to become. In
the need and drive of the kingdom the will of the Tao reveals
itself to him. He joins his own will to it so that he may become
an instrument of the Tao, and all things change themselves. He
knows no violence, and yet all beings follow the gesture of his
hand. He uses neither reward nor punishment, and yet what he
wants to happen happens. 'I am without action,' speaks the
perfected man, 'and the people change of themselves; I love
rest, and the people become righteous of themselves; I am
without industry, and the people become rich of themselves; I am
without desires, and the people become simple of
themselves' (L[ao-tzu]). Martin Buber, Pointing the Way, pp
55-56
--
:- Doug.
People are possible:
right here, right now,
we can make this better
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>From Sun Mar 23 10:52:55 2008
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