OST becoming mainstream (was: Opening Space at Microsoft PDC)

Mon Jun 23 15:01:54 PDT 2008

hello artur, thanks for this observing and suggesting and inviting.  i'd be
glad to remind you how to post to the various os wikis.  there aren't a ton
of them.  iberian, italian, haitian, french, english (openspaceworld.net), i
think, is what we have.  i think estonian may have been overrun with spam.
can't recall.  but you're welcome to post into any of them.  thanks, m

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Artur Silva <arturfsilva at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  Harrison (and all):
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> That is marvellous. Thank you.
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> I will wait for corrections of small typing errors (done by other "English
> natives", I hope...) and will translate it to Portuguese and include it in
> the Portuguese version of the Wikipedia, during the next Sunday (I hope). Is
> that timing ok?
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> Carla will do the Dutch section. Can we have offers for the other languages
> (at list the ones represented in the openspaceworld site)?
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> Michael Herman: would you agree about repeating those new many-languages
> versions of the OST description from the Wikipedia in the openspace wiki?
> (Including the wikis that are now closed for edition, like the Iberian one)
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> Lisa: Wikipedia is an Encyclopaedia - or wants to be one. I am afraid that
> links to consultants' pages may be considered as "advertising", no matter
> how important they may be considered by the OST community, especially when
> they have been added by the owner of the linked sites. So I would suggest
> removing those links from the Wikipedia, maintaining the link to
> opensapceworlg.org, edited to say that the photo-illustration of the
> process and the glossary of international terms and phrases is included
> there and edit that wiki to included the links to those materials in a
> prominent place. What do you think?
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> Best regards.
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> From Lisbon with beijos e abraços
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> Artur
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> --- On *Mon, 6/16/08, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>* wrote:
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> From: Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] OST becoming mainstream (was: Opening Space at
> Microsoft PDC)
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 3:09 PM
>
>  Carla – Great! And let's get the English straight first. I have made a
> first effort. Hopefully some of our more literate compatriots in OS Land
> will hear the call to improve!!!
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> Harrison
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> *From:* OSLIST [mailto: OSLIST @LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Vliex,
> Carla (cvl)
> *Sent:* Monday, June 16, 2008 3:42 PM
> *To:* OSLIST @LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: OST becoming mainstream (was: Opening Space at Microsoft
> PDC)
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> great idea
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> I can do the dutch part
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> ciao Carla from the Netherlands
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> Met vriendelijke groet,
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> drs. C.J.P. (Carla) Vliex
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> *From:* OSLIST [mailto: OSLIST @LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Artur
> Silva
> *Sent:* maandag 16 juni 2008 15:39
> *To:* OSLIST @LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> *Subject:* OST becoming mainstream (was: Opening Space at Microsoft PDC)
>
> Jack, Harrison and all:
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> There is strong evidence that OST is becoming mainstream. I am not
> speaking only based on the Microsoft event but on some other international
> conferences that announced that they are going to use OST.
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> But this is also a problem. In some cases, the expression Open Space (or
> even Open Space Technology) is used, but there are variants in its
> application that may subvert its flavour or event its essence.
>
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> I am not speaking of heterodoxy - that always implies that the heterodox
> knows what the orthodoxy is - but about using the label with complete
> ignorance of the OST User's Guide.
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>
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> Some 3 or 4 years ago a CPSquare event was announced as "OS" but the topics
> for break out sessions were selected in advance by the organizers.
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> In the Microsoft event, it happens that the person that apparently is
> opening the space for that "OST" is concerned about the fact that
> (fortunately) he will not be able to apply what he thinks are two rules of
> OST - but they are not.
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> In a different event, where a fried of mine will have to assure the
> logistics part, a lot of strange material has been asked by the facilitator
> for the break out spaces of an "OST event".
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> I know that a non proprietary methodology has no way to enforce its
> principles. But there are some corrections that can be done easily.
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> As you all know, more and more the Wikipedia is the standard for
> definitions and first information about almost everything. And if one
> googles "Open Space Technology" the first entry refers to the Wikipedia
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology.
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> But if one reads the content there are a lot of wrong or misleading
> information in it. This goes from small imperfections, like the wording of
> principles, to the fact that the Law is completely forgotten.
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> The same is true in other languages. If I google "Metodologia de Espaço
> Aberto" the first enter refers to the Wikipedia in Portuguese
> http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espa%C3%A7o_aberto. Again the definition is
> very superficial.
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> But anyone can correct the wikipedia (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributing_to_Wikipedia)
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> So, here go my suggestions:
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> 1) Harrison and a small group of friends could correct the English entry of
> the Wikipedia.
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> 2) Afterwards all of us could use that version as a guide and translate it
> in all of our different languages to include in the Wikipedia version in
> each language.
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> 3) Anyhow the Wikipedia has a link to the OST site (
> http://www.openspaceworld.org/)  but this was initially thought, I think,
> as a resource for practitioners. Now it is used also by non OST
> practitioners, that can't find easily (in the main page of each language) a
> short, agreed upon, clarification of the principles and fundamentals of OST.
> This could complement the Wikipedia entries - or even simply repeat them.
>
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> What do you think about my suggestions?
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> Regards
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> Artur
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> --- On *Fri, 6/13/08, Jack Martin Leith <jack at jackmartinleith.com>* wrote:
>
> From: Jack Martin Leith <jack at jackmartinleith.com>
> Subject: Re: [ OSLIST ] Opening Space at Microsoft PDC
> To: OSLIST @LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 11:24 AM
>
> Hiya Jason.
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> Delighted to get your email and to see both blog comments.
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> Please have another look at www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=232 where you'll
> see my response to the two numbered points in our second comment (also
> pasted below for the benefit of OSListers).
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>
> And please accept my apologies for getting hold of the wrong end of the
> stick!
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> Warmest,
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> Jack
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> Jack Martin Leith
> Creating the new. Enriching the world
> Bristol , United Kingdom
> Mobile : 07831 840541 (+44 7831 840541)
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> From www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=232:
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> *Jason Olson writes further:*
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> Also, as I mentioned in an email to you, there are two areas that concern
> me regarding Open Space as it currently exists for PDC:
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>
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> 1) Due to the size of the conference (and the fact that Open Space is just
> an un-conference within the larger conference), there isn't a current plan
> to have attendees vote and prioritize the sessions they want to see talked
> about (which, unfortunately, removes some of the agile nature of Open
> Space).
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> 2) No current support for an attendees submitting a topic he's interested
> in but doesn't want to speak about or moderate himself.
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> As you can imagine, this has me concerned as both of them are departures
> from the Open Space model. I would love to have a chat here with you and
> your readers on ways that we can avoid this (or if we should even be
> worrying about it). The biggest key is that I don't want to take a great
> model like Open Space and butcher it because we didn't actually "grok" the
> true purposes behind Open Space.
>
>
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> *My response to Jason's two posts:*
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> Jason, thanks very much for clearing up my misunderstanding.
>
>
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> With regard to your two concerns, neither of the practices you describe
> forms part of the vanilla Open Space model as described by Harrison Owen in
> his book, Open Space Technology: A User's Guide.
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>
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> In fact most Open Space facilitators don't even suggest that very similar
> sessions are merged – this is left to the session leaders (convenors, hosts,
> whatever you like to call them) to manage themselves.
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>
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> Regarding your second point, Open Space is very much about people taking
> responsibility for hosting a session. Otherwise Open Space is little more
> than a brainstorming meeting: "I think this is an interesting idea, but I
> don't care enough to do something about it."
>
>
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> I'm sure other Open Space practitioners will have more to say about both of
> these points!
>
>
>
> Jack
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> 2008/6/13 Jason Olson (DPE) <Jason.Olson at microsoft.com>:
>
> Thanks for the email Jack! I commented on your blog post directly to make
> the conversation more public. My wording may have been a bit unclear. There
> is no creating of the agenda ahead of the conference. This is something that
> is created onsite, at the conference, by the attendees and for the
> attendees. This also enables me to avoid having us (Microsoft) try to
> "dictate" what can or can't be discussed. This should be an agile process.
>
>
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> The part that concerns me right now (and where we currently deviate from a
> typical Open Space), is that there is no "attendees vote for the sessions
> they would like to see and we use that to determine what is presented."
> Because of the potential number of people involved, combined with the fact
> that this is merely a smaller unconference within a larger conference, I'm
> not convinced that it would work. So, currently, it's largely "first come,
> first serve" when people sign up for an Open Space session. Also, there's
> really not a supported model for submitting a session you want to hear
> about, but have no clue who can moderate/or discuss the session in general.
>
>
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> As you can imagine, these two changes make me a bit uneasy considering the
> departure from what makes Open Space great.
>
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> Of course, I would love to hear feedback from you and others if this is a
> big deal (and if we should even worry about it), or if we should avoid this
> and find a different way for the prioritization and participation to occur.
>
>
>
> *Jason Olson*
>
> Technical Evangelist | Visual Studio & .NET Framework Evangelism |
>
> http://www.managed-world.com/
>
>
>
> *From:* jackmartinleith at gmail.com [mailto:jackmartinleith at gmail.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Jack Martin Leith
> *Sent:* Friday, June 13, 2008 9:11 AM
> *To:* OSLIST
> *Cc:* Jason Olson (DPE)
> *Subject:* Re: Opening Space at Microsoft PDC
>
>
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> Harrison,
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>
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> Big thanks for the heads up.
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> I've just blogged it here: http://www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=231
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> As you'll see, I'm questioning the decision to create the agenda ahead of
> the conference.
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> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> Jack Martin Leith
> Creating the new. Enriching the world
> Bristol , United Kingdom
> Mobile : 07831 840541 (+44 7831 840541)
> Skype: jackmartinleith
> email: jack at jackmartinleith.com
> www.jackmartinleith.com
>
> 2008/6/13 Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>:
>
> Seems like the folks at the annual Microsoft Professional Development
> Conference are intending to open a little space. Definitely cutting edge,
> innovative – Cheers for Microsoft. For the details go to:
>
>
> http://microsoftpdc.com/View.aspx?post=91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:8590057
> Don't have any idea who is doing it, but I am sure they will have a grand
> time.
>
>
>
> Harrison
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