Fw: [OSLIST] OST becoming mainstream (was: Opening Space at Microsoft PDC)

Erich Kolenaty e.kolenaty at aon.at
Mon Jun 16 08:36:52 PDT 2008


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Erich Kolenaty
To: arturfsilva at yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] OST becoming mainstream (was: Opening Space at 
Microsoft PDC)


Artur,

I share your observations:

1. The use of the label is growing, but there are many people facilitating 
OST without being too much in touch with OST  - far from knowing any "user's 
guide".

2. Last year I found the german wikipedia for "Open Space" in a bad 
condition, me and some OSnicks did a lot of correction work. But it seems to 
be a steady job to keep out at least the hardest misunderstandings und 
misinterpretations.

I really support your appeal to to lend a friendly and guiding hand to all 
wikipedia languages, to ensure that interested people can find there a 
mainstream definition of "OST" that most OS workers share.

Greetings from lovely Vienna
Erich
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Artur Silva
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  Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:38 PM
  Subject: [OSLIST] OST becoming mainstream (was: Opening Space at Microsoft 
PDC)


        Jack, Harrison and all:



        There is strong evidence that OST is becoming mainstream. I am not 
speaking only based on the Microsoft event but on some other international 
conferences that announced that they are going to use OST.



        But this is also a problem. In some cases, the expression Open Space 
(or even Open Space Technology) is used, but there are variants in its 
application that may subvert its flavour or event its essence.



        I am not speaking of heterodoxy - that always implies that the 
heterodox knows what the orthodoxy is - but about using the label with 
complete ignorance of the OST User's Guide.



        Some 3 or 4 years ago a CPSquare event was announced as "OS" but the 
topics for break out sessions were selected in advance by the organizers.



        In the Microsoft event, it happens that the person that apparently 
is opening the space for that "OST" is concerned about the fact that 
(fortunately) he will not be able to apply what he thinks are two rules of 
OST - but they are not.



        In a different event, where a fried of mine will have to assure the 
logistics part, a lot of strange material has been asked by the facilitator 
for the break out spaces of an "OST event".



        I know that a non proprietary methodology has no way to enforce its 
principles. But there are some corrections that can be done easily.



        As you all know, more and more the Wikipedia is the standard for 
definitions and first information about almost everything. And if one 
googles "Open Space Technology" the first entry refers to the Wikipedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology.



        But if one reads the content there are a lot of wrong or misleading 
information in it. This goes from small imperfections, like the wording of 
principles, to the fact that the Law is completely forgotten.



        The same is true in other languages. If I google "Metodologia de 
Espaço Aberto" the first enter refers to the Wikipedia in Portuguese 
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espa%C3%A7o_aberto. Again the definition is 
very superficial.



        But anyone can correct the wikipedia 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributing_to_Wikipedia)



        So, here go my suggestions:



        1) Harrison and a small group of friends could correct the English 
entry of the Wikipedia.



        2) Afterwards all of us could use that version as a guide and 
translate it in all of our different languages to include in the Wikipedia 
version in each language.



        3) Anyhow the Wikipedia has a link to the OST site 
(http://www.openspaceworld.org/)  but this was initially thought, I think, 
as a resource for practitioners. Now it is used also by non OST 
practitioners, that can't find easily (in the main page of each language) a 
short, agreed upon, clarification of the principles and fundamentals of OST. 
This could complement the Wikipedia entries - or even simply repeat them.



        What do you think about my suggestions?



        Regards



        Artur






        --- On Fri, 6/13/08, Jack Martin Leith <jack at jackmartinleith.com> 
wrote:


          From: Jack Martin Leith <jack at jackmartinleith.com>
          Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Opening Space at Microsoft PDC
          To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
          Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 11:24 AM


          Hiya Jason.

          Delighted to get your email and to see both blog comments.

          Please have another look at www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=232 where 
you'll see my response to the two numbered points in our second comment 
(also pasted below for the benefit of OSListers).

          And please accept my apologies for getting hold of the wrong end 
of the stick!

          Warmest,

          Jack

          Jack Martin Leith
          Creating the new. Enriching the world
          Bristol, United Kingdom
          Mobile: 07831 840541 (+44 7831 840541)
          Skype: jackmartinleith
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          www.jackmartinleith.com

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          From www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=232:

          Jason Olson writes further:

          Also, as I mentioned in an email to you, there are two areas that 
concern me regarding Open Space as it currently exists for PDC:

          1) Due to the size of the conference (and the fact that Open Space 
is just an un-conference within the larger conference), there isn't a 
current plan to have attendees vote and prioritize the sessions they want to 
see talked about (which, unfortunately, removes some of the agile nature of 
Open Space).

          2) No current support for an attendees submitting a topic he's 
interested in but doesn't want to speak about or moderate himself.

          As you can imagine, this has me concerned as both of them are 
departures from the Open Space model. I would love to have a chat here with 
you and your readers on ways that we can avoid this (or if we should even be 
worrying about it). The biggest key is that I don't want to take a great 
model like Open Space and butcher it because we didn't actually "grok" the 
true purposes behind Open Space.

          My response to Jason's two posts:

          Jason, thanks very much for clearing up my misunderstanding.

          With regard to your two concerns, neither of the practices you 
describe forms part of the vanilla Open Space model as described by Harrison 
Owen in his book, Open Space Technology: A User's Guide.

          In fact most Open Space facilitators don't even suggest that very 
similar sessions are merged - this is left to the session leaders 
(convenors, hosts, whatever you like to call them) to manage themselves.

          Regarding your second point, Open Space is very much about people 
taking responsibility for hosting a session. Otherwise Open Space is little 
more than a brainstorming meeting: "I think this is an interesting idea, but 
I don't care enough to do something about it."

          I'm sure other Open Space practitioners will have more to say 
about both of these points!

          Jack

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          2008/6/13 Jason Olson (DPE) <Jason.Olson at microsoft.com>:

            Thanks for the email Jack! I commented on your blog post 
directly to make the conversation more public. My wording may have been a 
bit unclear. There is no creating of the agenda ahead of the conference. 
This is something that is created onsite, at the conference, by the 
attendees and for the attendees. This also enables me to avoid having us 
(Microsoft) try to "dictate" what can or can't be discussed. This should be 
an agile process.



            The part that concerns me right now (and where we currently 
deviate from a typical Open Space), is that there is no "attendees vote for 
the sessions they would like to see and we use that to determine what is 
presented." Because of the potential number of people involved, combined 
with the fact that this is merely a smaller unconference within a larger 
conference, I'm not convinced that it would work. So, currently, it's 
largely "first come, first serve" when people sign up for an Open Space 
session. Also, there's really not a supported model for submitting a session 
you want to hear about, but have no clue who can moderate/or discuss the 
session in general.



            As you can imagine, these two changes make me a bit uneasy 
considering the departure from what makes Open Space great.



            Of course, I would love to hear feedback from you and others if 
this is a big deal (and if we should even worry about it), or if we should 
avoid this and find a different way for the prioritization and participation 
to occur.



            Jason Olson

            Technical Evangelist | Visual Studio & .NET Framework Evangelism 
|

            http://www.managed-world.com/



            From: jackmartinleith at gmail.com 
[mailto:jackmartinleith at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jack Martin Leith
            Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:11 AM
            To: OSLIST
            Cc: Jason Olson (DPE)
            Subject: Re: Opening Space at Microsoft PDC



            Harrison,



            Big thanks for the heads up.



            I've just blogged it here: http://www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=231



            As you'll see, I'm questioning the decision to create the agenda 
ahead of the conference.



            Best wishes,



            Jack



            Jack Martin Leith
            Creating the new. Enriching the world
            Bristol, United Kingdom
            Mobile: 07831 840541 (+44 7831 840541)
            Skype: jackmartinleith
            email: jack at jackmartinleith.com
            www.jackmartinleith.com

            2008/6/13 Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>:

            Seems like the folks at the annual Microsoft Professional 
Development Conference are intending to open a little space. Definitely 
cutting edge, innovative - Cheers for Microsoft. For the details go to:

            http://microsoftpdc.com/View.aspx?post=91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:8590057 
Don't have any idea who is doing it, but I am sure they will have a grand 
time.



            Harrison

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