Michael Pannwitz's comment about OSonOS 2008 in Berlin

Thu Jan 18 22:16:00 PST 2007

I've registered myself recently to participate in live dialogs between
OSers. Although I very much agree with Ted's concept of simultaneous,
multi-site, international OSonOS in many places at once for its global
impact with possible media coverage, it may overtly hurry up and kill
spontaneous proliferation of Open Space. So, I just wish that collective
consciousness of OSers lead to having such event some time in before 2010. I
will see to it that there is one in Korea with OS colleagues from aound the
world. 

tao
park

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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ted Ernst
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:54 PM
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Subject: Re: Michael Pannwitz's comment about OSonOS 2008 in Berlin

Maybe it's just me, but Michael Herman's concept sounded a bit different to
me than "Regional OSonOSs".  I'd never go to a BOSonOS, for example, because
that's about opening more space in Berlin.  And the San Antonio OSonOSinUS
that I did go to was about opening more space in the US, where I live.
Berliner would've been welcome, of course, but the topic was about opening
space in the US.  So it was a regional gathering.

What I'm hearing differently in Michael Herman's idea is simultaneous,
multi-site, international OSonOS in many places at once.  That feels like a
horse of a different color, yes?  I might just show up in Berlin for that.
And some Danish might show up in San Francisco.
That would be cool!

peace,
ted

On 1/18/07, Thomas Herrmann <thomas at openspaceconsulting.com> wrote:
> I agree with you Lisa, to me it´s a very rich and refreshing 
> opportunity to come to the International OSonOS each year when I can. 
> I also think that the international community gains from having it 
> swimming across oceans. So better bring your irresistible offer to
Kiev...and we´ll see what happens.
>
> And why not plan a mid-term global-virtual-OSonOS happening in all the 
> regions of the world - connected in faboulus ways... whoever has the 
> passion for getting it started...go for it. Maybe for 2008 we could 
> plan regional gatherings the same date but in that case my suggestion 
> is, not too close to the International physical OSonOS - wherever that´s
gonna be.
>
> Warmest regards to you Lisa and everyone else Thomas Herrmann
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] För Marei Kiele
> Skickat: den 18 januari 2007 19:22
> Till: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Ämne: Re: Michael Pannwitz's comment about OSonOS 2008 in Berlin
>
> Hello folks,
>
> I have been silent on this list for a while and I am only writing a 
> short comment on this topic.
>
> I have been to Halifax and loved the decision making process there ~ 
> and "voted" for Moscow in the end. I didn't go because something else 
> became more important to me. When I heard that in Moscow the decision 
> was Kiev I thought: "Geographically that's pretty ("too") close ~ 
> okay, those who cared where there and decided ~ don't complain, Marei."
> Last weekend I participated in the "Lernwerkstatt" in Berlin and there 
> I heard about the plan to host the next OSonOS in Berlin and my 
> immediate reaction was "NO, this would be incest!!"
>
> So I strongly support the tradition of having THE OSonOS moving around 
> the world. And I can tell you, having it in Berlin would be very 
> comfortable for me, just 2,5 hours by train. But I rather make sure 
> the community stays intercontinental and we have rich annual OSonOSes 
> all around the world.
>
> And regarding having international OSonOSes at the same time: In OS I 
> love the movement of morning news / evening news (whole group) and 
> breakout session (small groups). If it was only breakout sessions I 
> would miss a lot. As I would with many OSonOSes all over the world.
>
> HO (meant the North American Native Indian way).
>
> Marei
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>From  Fri Jan 19 11:24:10 2007
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On of the things I have always enjoyed about OSONOS (no matter where it =
may
have taken place) is that at the end, during the interminable "Goodbyes"
people would inevitable say something like, "I'll see you here next =
year."
Of course in the entire course of OSONOSs few have been held in the same
place - which raises some interesting issues about where is "here"? =
Maybe
not all there??

To be sure, in the early days we did only have only ONE OSONOS. And =
there
was a very good reason. If we had more than one gathering, there would =
not
have been sufficient people to go around. Yes - I guess it is true that =
you
can have an OST with two people. But it does get a little lonely.=20

But the times have changed, and I really love the chaordic dance as this
wonderful community (some might also say weird, bizarre, odd, or worse)
responds to the changing times. The forces at play are multiple, but one =
is
surely that there are a lot more of us in just about every corner of the
world. I suppose we might have a fantastic party if everybody could come =
to
a single place. But there are some other forces which make such a grand
assemblage rather unlikely - not the least of which is that is entirely
unclear just who "everybody" is???? Maybe we should have had a =
Membership
List along with paid dues, a board of directors, CEO, staff, global =
budget,
and of course an OSONOS Organizing Committee - which every year would =
render
its judgment from Olympian heights as to the chosen place. The =
possibilities
are really intriguing, and with luck we could be competing with the =
Olympic
Committee. Site visits around the world, lots of politicking, and maybe =
a
bribe or two here and there. Who knows, we might turn out to be a Real
Organization? Boring!!!!

Outside of the fact that there are a lot more of us, I think there are =
some
other factors to be considered. Not the least of these is that some of =
us
are getting a little older and also rather set in our ways. At least =
that is
true for me. It is a fact that I manage to travel about a bit, but it is
also true that every airplane I can avoid is a positive advantage to my
health and well being. As for being set in my ways - there are =
definitely
times when I don't want to go anywhere, and I don't. So what else is =
new.=20

We could also add in economics - and the truth is that going to =
wonderful
new place is great, but also quite expensive. And then you have the =
security
situation we all now have to endure in which our collective paranoia  =
has
made getting Visas difficult and sometimes in impossible.

Personally I don't see the problem. In fact I see a wonderful =
opportunity.
We can now have an OSONOS anywhere anytime we want. All you have to do =
is
say Come! - and whoever cares will be there. If "everybody" came, you =
would
be swamped - so don't even think about it. And don't work too hard. As =
we
all know, Opening Space is not rocket science - and doing an OSONOS =
should
not be a year long task. When I did the OSONOS-by-the-Sea (which was in
Camden, Maine - Michael:-)) - it took me all of 4-5 hours (total) to =
make
the arrangements - and the fee of course was a pocket shattering $25. By =
the
way we are probably going to do it again and the fee will be the same.

And I definitely agree, every OSONOS should be an International OSONOS -
everybody is welcome! And if the experience in Camden was any indicator, =
the
international flavor was definitely there. To be sure, about 1/4 of the =
35
participants came from within 300 miles - but there was lots from all =
over
the US, Canada with odd representation from OZ and the UK. And the
conversation was definitely global, and how could it not be? Theme was:
"Opening Space in our lives and our World".  And of course we can all be
"there" (wherever there is) thanks to OSLIST and whatever else we dream =
up.=20

So I, for one, vote for more and better - whenever, however, wherever, =
and
with whomever. See you there :-)

Harrison

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