using a wiki to post OS topics before Opening the Space]

Tue Jan 2 06:45:47 PST 2007

I'm enjoying what Frank has set up at http:// 
newenglandsos.wetpaint.com/page/REGISTRATION
No topics, but a sense of who is coming, for networking, carpooling,  
etc.
Browse around the site -- interesting options for sharing of  
responsibilities.

Diane

On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Phelim McDermott wrote:

> What I find interesting about the dynamic of preposting is that it  
> starts to limit my imagination about what the event is going to be  
> like and then consequently whether i will come or not.
>
> "Oh it's them/me going on about that issue again! etc..
>
> If I don't know what the issues are going to be they are all  
> bubbling away in my mind and the event is as exciting or as boring  
> as MY imagination makes it and they are My dreams and demons... As  
> soon as the issues are stated then it easy for me to become  
> separate from that process. For me it's as pointless or as  
> uninspiring as trying to imagine whether an improvised gig is going  
> to be fun or not.. or for that matter trying to plan for that by  
> thinking of some funny jokes beforehand..!
>
> ..... now about those New Year's Resolutions.
>
> Have a good one!
>
> Phelim
> On 2 Jan 2007, at 06:13, Michael Herman wrote:
>
>> what i usually tell clients is that an OS meeting is a fantastic  
>> opportunity.  once the whole group is in the room, everyone can  
>> realize this immediately.  now things that were previously  
>> unthinkable are suddenly not only thinkable, but actionable.  so  
>> the opportunity is very clear as soon as we get everyone in teh  
>> room... and until then, it's hard to imagine what issues could be  
>> raised, because most folks won't appreciate or imagine just how  
>> much energy and attention will be available in the room.  so i  
>> mostly encourage not posting topics.  if they're wiki people,  
>> sometimes what we've done is post answers to "why i'm coming",  
>> mostly to give people a way to start thinking and imagining who  
>> will be there.
>>
>> mh
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/1/07, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
>> For me the real issue is -- when is space open, and what sort of  
>> space? I have seen organizations that use wiki-type format all the  
>> time, and so when they do an OST, it is just an extension, but in  
>> a different format. I think it is radically different if the wiki  
>> stuff takes on the life and function of "planning" the meeting."  
>> At that point it seems to me that it becomes quite  
>> counterproductive, and actually closes space before it ever truly  
>> opens. In the worst case scenario, people get stuck with the  
>> agenda they posted (on wiki or whatever) simply because they  
>> posted it. Hoisted on their own petard so to speak. The old  
>> argument that pre-planning the agenda insures that no issue is  
>> lost, and further that thinking about the issues before arrival  
>> raises quality is a dog the won't hunt, I think. Sounds very  
>> logical, but I have never seen a shred of evidence that it was  
>> valid. Indeed quite the opposite. Pre-planned agendas insure  
>> irrelevance – yesterday's news! Worse than that, it is boring.
>>
>>
>> Harrison
>>
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>> On the other hand, I've experienced this phenomenon as well, and  
>> the vast majority of attendees won't have seen the pre-announced  
>> topics, nor remember the ones they read, so the self-organization  
>> and chaos of the opening is preserved AND those that are very  
>> interested in what a person says about herself, can make sure to  
>> find and meet that person.  Again, this is self-organization.  We  
>> wouldn't want to forbid pre-posting of topics, would we?  That  
>> seems contrary to our role as facilitators.
>>
>> peace,
>> ted
>>
>> On 1/1/07, Kerry < k at napuk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I, for one, do not feel it is a good idea to post issues before an
>> event.  If this is done, it will lead people to form responses in
>> advance and defend them during discussions in breakout groups, which
>> will leave people less open to hearing new views.
>>
>> It also diminishes the chaos at the beginning of events when issues
>> start tumbling out and people start to get excited and decide where
>> they want to work .
>>
>> All the very best in 2007!  May your space continue to open.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Kerry
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