using a wiki to post OS topics before Opening the Space]
Phelim McDermott
phelim at mac.com
Tue Jan 2 06:22:32 PST 2007
What I find interesting about the dynamic of preposting is that it
starts to limit my imagination about what the event is going to be
like and then consequently whether i will come or not.
"Oh it's them/me going on about that issue again! etc..
If I don't know what the issues are going to be they are all bubbling
away in my mind and the event is as exciting or as boring as MY
imagination makes it and they are My dreams and demons... As soon as
the issues are stated then it easy for me to become separate from
that process. For me it's as pointless or as uninspiring as trying to
imagine whether an improvised gig is going to be fun or not.. or for
that matter trying to plan for that by thinking of some funny jokes
beforehand..!
..... now about those New Year's Resolutions.
Have a good one!
Phelim
On 2 Jan 2007, at 06:13, Michael Herman wrote:
> what i usually tell clients is that an OS meeting is a fantastic
> opportunity. once the whole group is in the room, everyone can
> realize this immediately. now things that were previously
> unthinkable are suddenly not only thinkable, but actionable. so
> the opportunity is very clear as soon as we get everyone in teh
> room... and until then, it's hard to imagine what issues could be
> raised, because most folks won't appreciate or imagine just how
> much energy and attention will be available in the room. so i
> mostly encourage not posting topics. if they're wiki people,
> sometimes what we've done is post answers to "why i'm coming",
> mostly to give people a way to start thinking and imagining who
> will be there.
>
> mh
>
>
>
> On 1/1/07, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
> For me the real issue is -- when is space open, and what sort of
> space? I have seen organizations that use wiki-type format all the
> time, and so when they do an OST, it is just an extension, but in a
> different format. I think it is radically different if the wiki
> stuff takes on the life and function of "planning" the meeting." At
> that point it seems to me that it becomes quite counterproductive,
> and actually closes space before it ever truly opens. In the worst
> case scenario, people get stuck with the agenda they posted (on
> wiki or whatever) simply because they posted it. Hoisted on their
> own petard so to speak. The old argument that pre-planning the
> agenda insures that no issue is lost, and further that thinking
> about the issues before arrival raises quality is a dog the won't
> hunt, I think. Sounds very logical, but I have never seen a shred
> of evidence that it was valid. Indeed quite the opposite. Pre-
> planned agendas insure irrelevance – yesterday's news! Worse than
> that, it is boring.
>
>
> Harrison
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> On the other hand, I've experienced this phenomenon as well, and
> the vast majority of attendees won't have seen the pre-announced
> topics, nor remember the ones they read, so the self-organization
> and chaos of the opening is preserved AND those that are very
> interested in what a person says about herself, can make sure to
> find and meet that person. Again, this is self-organization. We
> wouldn't want to forbid pre-posting of topics, would we? That
> seems contrary to our role as facilitators.
>
> peace,
> ted
>
> On 1/1/07, Kerry < k at napuk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I, for one, do not feel it is a good idea to post issues before an
> event. If this is done, it will lead people to form responses in
> advance and defend them during discussions in breakout groups, which
> will leave people less open to hearing new views.
>
> It also diminishes the chaos at the beginning of events when issues
> start tumbling out and people start to get excited and decide where
> they want to work .
>
> All the very best in 2007! May your space continue to open.
>
> Cheers
>
> Kerry
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