using a wiki to post OS topics before Opening the Space]

Tue Jan 2 04:30:08 PST 2007

Thanks, everyone.

And Michael, this is exactly what i'd hope to accomplish:
  > to give people a way to start thinking and imagining who will be there.
and without trying to shape the event in advance... a challenge.

I don't know if I'll use a wiki in future - I guess it depends on many 
factors, as have been touched upon in this thread. But this input has 
been helpful!

Have a good week, folks!
deb

PS: more input welcome, I don't want to shut down the thread :-)

Michael Herman wrote:
> what i usually tell clients is that an OS meeting is a fantastic 
> opportunity.  once the whole group is in the room, everyone can 
> realize this immediately.  now things that were previously unthinkable 
> are suddenly not only thinkable, but actionable.  so the opportunity 
> is very clear as soon as we get everyone in teh room... and until 
> then, it's hard to imagine what issues could be raised, because most 
> folks won't appreciate or imagine just how much energy and attention 
> will be available in the room.  so i mostly encourage not posting 
> topics.  if they're wiki people, sometimes what we've done is post 
> answers to "why i'm coming", mostly to give people a way to start 
> thinking and imagining who will be there. 
>
> mh
>
>
>
> On 1/1/07, *Harrison Owen* <hhowen at verizon.net 
> <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>
>     For me the real issue is -- when is space open, and what sort of
>     space? I have seen organizations that use wiki-type format all the
>     time, and so when they do an OST, it is just an extension, but in
>     a different format. I think it is radically different if the wiki
>     stuff takes on the life and function of "planning" the meeting."
>     At that point it seems to me that it becomes quite
>     counterproductive, and actually closes space before it ever truly
>     opens. In the worst case scenario, people get stuck with the
>     agenda they posted (on wiki or whatever) simply because they
>     posted it. Hoisted on their own petard so to speak. The old
>     argument that pre-planning the agenda insures that no issue is
>     lost, and further that thinking about the issues before arrival
>     raises quality is a dog the won't hunt, I think. Sounds very
>     logical, but I have never seen a shred of evidence that it was
>     valid. Indeed quite the opposite. Pre-planned agendas insure
>     irrelevance – yesterday's news! Worse than that, it is boring.
>
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>     On the other hand, I've experienced this phenomenon as well, and
>     the vast majority of attendees won't have seen the pre-announced
>     topics, nor remember the ones they read, so the self-organization
>     and chaos of the opening is preserved AND those that are very
>     interested in what a person says about herself, can make sure to
>     find and meet that person.  Again, this is self-organization.  We
>     wouldn't want to forbid pre-posting of topics, would we?  That
>     seems contrary to our role as facilitators.
>
>     peace,
>     ted
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>     On 1/1/07, *Kerry* < k at napuk.demon.co.uk
>     <mailto:k at napuk.demon.co.uk>> wrote:
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>     Hi
>
>     I, for one, do not feel it is a good idea to post issues before an
>     event.  If this is done, it will lead people to form responses in
>     advance and defend them during discussions in breakout groups, which
>     will leave people less open to hearing new views.
>
>     It also diminishes the chaos at the beginning of events when issues
>     start tumbling out and people start to get excited and decide where
>     they want to work .
>
>     All the very best in 2007!  May your space continue to open.
>
>     Cheers
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