FW: angry feedback

Tue Apr 10 09:08:43 PDT 2007

Harrison, you, of course, have a right to think exactly what you think.  It
is lovely, the things you wrote here.

I, in my turn, have a right to think what I think.

I got unsolicited spam from the OSonOS Kiev people, inviting me to their
conference.  I wanted to know where they got my email and why they were
using it without my permission.  Herer in America, it is typical for people
to get my permission before they use my email. Who gave it to the Kiev
folks?

When I got their spam invitation, it reminded me of the stories I have heard
(I wasn't in Moscow, folks, but I heard lots of stories about the tensions
there. . . . I am not the only person thinking the things I wrote because,
hey, I wasn't in Moscow, I am in California. . . . but I heard a version of
how OSonOS landed in Kiev.  Is Yana angry at me for being angry or is she
upset because  it had not joccurred to her that gossip flies all around the
world?  Is she upset because not so many people are signing up for Kiev and
gee, maybe some folks feel the way I feel?

I agree with you, Harriosn, that folks can have OSonOS anywhere/when/how/why
they wish.

And, over here in Mountain View, California, I can say and think and feel
and be any way I wish.  If I were organizing an international conference in
California and someone in Kiev wrote my letter to me, I would be grateful
for the data.  I never suggested, in my PRIVATE letter, that my thoughts
were the community's thoughts, which is one reason why my letter was
private, by the way.  My thoughts are my thoughts and where I come from, I
still get to have my private thoughts.

I think Yana was upset and s/he (I am sorry, I don't know if that is a male
or female name) posted my private email to the list when s/he was upset and
reactive.

But I stand by my thoughts.  I get to be me, folks.  If you read my private
letter, which no one on the list actually had a right to, um, read, I think
you will see that my comments are grounded in 'I' statements. . . . . what
kind of world do you want to live in?  In one where people will talk about
you behind your back but not tell you what they are thinking?

On 4/10/07, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> From: Harrison Owen [mailto:hhowen at verizon.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:09 AM
> To: 'only.connect at virgin.net'
> Subject: RE: angry feedback
>
> Goodness -- I started OSONOS a long time ago. Must have been 12 years.
> Seemed like a good idea to open a space for people who open space just to
> share what they were doing. First ones were in Washington, DC then it sort
> of migrated around the world. Australia, Germany, Canada, India, Russia,
> and
> now Kiev. Whoever was at the first one decided where to go next. Not very
> complicated. I think the only person who has been to all of them is Brian
> Bainbridge.
>
> As our number increased over the years (more spaceniks), OSONOS's did
> likewise. I am opening a little space in Camden Maine this September, and
> I
> know that other folks are doing, or have done, the same thing. So it seems
> that the World OSONOS has transformed into the OSONOS's of the World. More
> Space(s)! Or something. One thing for sure -- they are always fun and very
> rich no matter who is hosting or where all that takes place.
>
> Harrison
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
> only.connect at virgin.net
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:24 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: angry feedback
>
> Hi all
>
> I am a newbie at all this and have never been to an OSONOS let alone a
> WOSONOS... So please could I have some data (from someone) in order that I
> might consider the implications of this email.
>
> 1) How many WOSONOS's have there been (14, I assume, but is this correct)?
> 2) Where have they occurred?
> 3) Who decides where the next WOSONOS will be?
> 4) And on what basis?
> 5) What makes an OSONOS a WOSONOS?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Jon Harvey
> Oxford
> UK
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Yana Demenko yana at demenko.info
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:54:13 +0300
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: angry feedback
>
>
> Dear OS Community,
>
> WOSonOS hosting team have got a very interesting feedback from Tree
> Fitzpatrick.
>
> I'm not going to comment it but I feel responsibility to share this
> mail with all of you.
>
> Whatever happens is the only thing that could have ...
>
>
> Best regards,
> Yana Demenko
>
> [e-mail] yana at demenko.info
> [post] p.o.box 4B, Kyiv-1, 01001, Ukraine
> [web] www.demenko.info
> [skype] yana_demenko
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> >
> > From: Tree Fitzpatrick [mailto:therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:21 AM
> > To: GURT Resource Centre for NGO Development
> > Subject: Re: Invitation to 15th Worldwide Open Space on Open Space
> >
> >
> >
> > I have absolutely no interest in attending the OSonOS in Kiev this
> > year.  I am writing to tell you why I am not interested. And I am
> > writing to complain that you have sent me this invitation.  Where
> > did you get my email?  You did not have my permission to use it.
> >
> > I was disappointed that people at OSonOS in Moscow hijacked this
> > important international gathering of OS practitioners from around
> > the world and insisted on taking the event to Kiev this year.  The
> > OSonOS gathering belongs to practitioners around the world and it
> > has norms and traditions that you folks refused to honor when you
> > decided to 'steal' the event to Kiev this year.  A key tradition of
> > OSonOS International has been to move around the world.
> >
> > I understand that one of your organizers was very aggressive in
> > Moscow, insisting on forcing OSonOS to Kiev. This makes me angry
> > and under no circumstances would I attend an event that was
> > demanded like this:  I feel like coming would be tantamount to
> > giving in to a child after he had a tantrum.  You folks in Kiev
> > were free to steal the event. . . but you could never win my
> > support of it.
> >
> > And, parenthetically, as it happens, Raffi did something similar at
> > Halifax OSonOS in 2005.  The group was leaning towards having
> > OSonOS 2006 in Scotland and Raffi stood up and said "I don't care
> > what you people want, there is going to be an international OSonOS
> > in Moscow this year" and the Halifax group gave in to Raffi.  I
> > mention this because now I am wondering if the Slavic world is
> > littered with bullies who think that imposing their will on people
> > is good collaboration?
> >
> > I also wonder if whoever that guy was, it was someone from Kiev who
> > was in Moscow at last year's conference, really gives a shit about
> > the rest of the world of OS practitioners.  I wonder if this guy
> > realizes that senior OS practitioners all over the world have heard
> > about this behavior.
> >
> > I venture to guess that you are going to have a very low turnout at
> > this event.  I suspect lots of people feel the way I do, that the
> > conference was birthed in an atmosphere of coersion, which is NOT
> > open space at all, is it?
> >
> > Please don't send me any more emails.  I have reported you to my
> > email provider as spam.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Love rays,
> > Tree Fitzpatrick
> >
> > http://thecultureoflove.blogspot.com/
> >
> > . . . the great and incalculable grace of love, which says, with
> > Augustine, "I want you to be," without being able to give any
> > particular reason for such supreme and unsurpassable affirmation.
> > -- Hannah Arendt
> >
> > 1335 Montecito Ave Apt. 35
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Love rays,
Tree Fitzpatrick

http://thecultureoflove.blogspot.com/

. . . the great and incalculable grace of love, which says, with Augustine,
"I want you to be," without being able to give any particular reason for
such supreme and unsurpassable affirmation.  -- Hannah Arendt

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Mountain View, California 94043
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