FW: angry feedback

Tue Apr 10 09:00:22 PDT 2007

I don't know your culture, Yana, but it is a violation of my cultural norms
for you to post a private email to a public list.  You have no right to
publish my words without my permission. This reflects the bullying energy I
have sensed all along from the way you folks get things done.  I happen to
be a lawyer so I will point out to you that I own the copyright to my words
and even though it is easy, with the slick of a button, to steal my words
and publish them to this list, it is wrong for you to have done so.

But, as it happens, I am an open person and it is okay with me if people
know I am angry.

I have a response to the person who said "she has been nasty before". . . .
I do not think I was nasty in that letter.  I talked about what I think and
feel.  If, when you read what I think and feel and you have reactive
feelings to my expressionn of MY thoughts and feelings, well, I am not
responsible for your reactions, even if you think, somehow, that I am
responsible for your thoughts and feelings.  I am not.  Not ever.

It is my experience that sharing what I really think is always a gift to a
community.

I will not write an expletive to this list but, please, Yana, please read
between the lines:  .....blank you for taking my words, without my
permission, and publishing them.  You have proven, to me, that you folks in
Kiev are a bunch of bullies.

On 4/10/07, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> From: Harrison Owen [mailto:hhowen at verizon.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:09 AM
> To: 'only.connect at virgin.net'
> Subject: RE: angry feedback
>
> Goodness -- I started OSONOS a long time ago. Must have been 12 years.
> Seemed like a good idea to open a space for people who open space just to
> share what they were doing. First ones were in Washington, DC then it sort
> of migrated around the world. Australia, Germany, Canada, India, Russia,
> and
> now Kiev. Whoever was at the first one decided where to go next. Not very
> complicated. I think the only person who has been to all of them is Brian
> Bainbridge.
>
> As our number increased over the years (more spaceniks), OSONOS's did
> likewise. I am opening a little space in Camden Maine this September, and
> I
> know that other folks are doing, or have done, the same thing. So it seems
> that the World OSONOS has transformed into the OSONOS's of the World. More
> Space(s)! Or something. One thing for sure -- they are always fun and very
> rich no matter who is hosting or where all that takes place.
>
> Harrison
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
> only.connect at virgin.net
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:24 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: angry feedback
>
> Hi all
>
> I am a newbie at all this and have never been to an OSONOS let alone a
> WOSONOS... So please could I have some data (from someone) in order that I
> might consider the implications of this email.
>
> 1) How many WOSONOS's have there been (14, I assume, but is this correct)?
> 2) Where have they occurred?
> 3) Who decides where the next WOSONOS will be?
> 4) And on what basis?
> 5) What makes an OSONOS a WOSONOS?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Jon Harvey
> Oxford
> UK
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Yana Demenko yana at demenko.info
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:54:13 +0300
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: angry feedback
>
>
> Dear OS Community,
>
> WOSonOS hosting team have got a very interesting feedback from Tree
> Fitzpatrick.
>
> I'm not going to comment it but I feel responsibility to share this
> mail with all of you.
>
> Whatever happens is the only thing that could have ...
>
>
> Best regards,
> Yana Demenko
>
> [e-mail] yana at demenko.info
> [post] p.o.box 4B, Kyiv-1, 01001, Ukraine
> [web] www.demenko.info
> [skype] yana_demenko
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> >
> > From: Tree Fitzpatrick [mailto:therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:21 AM
> > To: GURT Resource Centre for NGO Development
> > Subject: Re: Invitation to 15th Worldwide Open Space on Open Space
> >
> >
> >
> > I have absolutely no interest in attending the OSonOS in Kiev this
> > year.  I am writing to tell you why I am not interested. And I am
> > writing to complain that you have sent me this invitation.  Where
> > did you get my email?  You did not have my permission to use it.
> >
> > I was disappointed that people at OSonOS in Moscow hijacked this
> > important international gathering of OS practitioners from around
> > the world and insisted on taking the event to Kiev this year.  The
> > OSonOS gathering belongs to practitioners around the world and it
> > has norms and traditions that you folks refused to honor when you
> > decided to 'steal' the event to Kiev this year.  A key tradition of
> > OSonOS International has been to move around the world.
> >
> > I understand that one of your organizers was very aggressive in
> > Moscow, insisting on forcing OSonOS to Kiev. This makes me angry
> > and under no circumstances would I attend an event that was
> > demanded like this:  I feel like coming would be tantamount to
> > giving in to a child after he had a tantrum.  You folks in Kiev
> > were free to steal the event. . . but you could never win my
> > support of it.
> >
> > And, parenthetically, as it happens, Raffi did something similar at
> > Halifax OSonOS in 2005.  The group was leaning towards having
> > OSonOS 2006 in Scotland and Raffi stood up and said "I don't care
> > what you people want, there is going to be an international OSonOS
> > in Moscow this year" and the Halifax group gave in to Raffi.  I
> > mention this because now I am wondering if the Slavic world is
> > littered with bullies who think that imposing their will on people
> > is good collaboration?
> >
> > I also wonder if whoever that guy was, it was someone from Kiev who
> > was in Moscow at last year's conference, really gives a shit about
> > the rest of the world of OS practitioners.  I wonder if this guy
> > realizes that senior OS practitioners all over the world have heard
> > about this behavior.
> >
> > I venture to guess that you are going to have a very low turnout at
> > this event.  I suspect lots of people feel the way I do, that the
> > conference was birthed in an atmosphere of coersion, which is NOT
> > open space at all, is it?
> >
> > Please don't send me any more emails.  I have reported you to my
> > email provider as spam.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Love rays,
> > Tree Fitzpatrick
> >
> > http://thecultureoflove.blogspot.com/
> >
> > . . . the great and incalculable grace of love, which says, with
> > Augustine, "I want you to be," without being able to give any
> > particular reason for such supreme and unsurpassable affirmation.
> > -- Hannah Arendt
> >
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-- 
Love rays,
Tree Fitzpatrick

http://thecultureoflove.blogspot.com/

. . . the great and incalculable grace of love, which says, with Augustine,
"I want you to be," without being able to give any particular reason for
such supreme and unsurpassable affirmation.  -- Hannah Arendt

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Mountain View, California 94043
(650) 967-9260

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