FW: angry feedback

Tue Apr 10 07:22:37 PDT 2007

From: Harrison Owen [mailto:hhowen at verizon.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:09 AM
To: 'only.connect at virgin.net'
Subject: RE: angry feedback

Goodness -- I started OSONOS a long time ago. Must have been 12 years.
Seemed like a good idea to open a space for people who open space just to
share what they were doing. First ones were in Washington, DC then it sort
of migrated around the world. Australia, Germany, Canada, India, Russia, and
now Kiev. Whoever was at the first one decided where to go next. Not very
complicated. I think the only person who has been to all of them is Brian
Bainbridge. 

As our number increased over the years (more spaceniks), OSONOS's did
likewise. I am opening a little space in Camden Maine this September, and I
know that other folks are doing, or have done, the same thing. So it seems
that the World OSONOS has transformed into the OSONOS's of the World. More
Space(s)! Or something. One thing for sure -- they are always fun and very
rich no matter who is hosting or where all that takes place.

Harrison

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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
only.connect at virgin.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:24 AM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: angry feedback

Hi all

I am a newbie at all this and have never been to an OSONOS let alone a
WOSONOS... So please could I have some data (from someone) in order that I
might consider the implications of this email.

1) How many WOSONOS's have there been (14, I assume, but is this correct)?
2) Where have they occurred?
3) Who decides where the next WOSONOS will be?
4) And on what basis?
5) What makes an OSONOS a WOSONOS?

Many thanks!

Jon Harvey
Oxford
UK

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From: Yana Demenko yana at demenko.info
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:54:13 +0300
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: angry feedback

Dear OS Community,

WOSonOS hosting team have got a very interesting feedback from Tree  
Fitzpatrick.

I'm not going to comment it but I feel responsibility to share this  
mail with all of you.

Whatever happens is the only thing that could have ...

Best regards,
Yana Demenko

[e-mail] yana at demenko.info
[post] p.o.box 4B, Kyiv-1, 01001, Ukraine
[web] www.demenko.info
[skype] yana_demenko

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>
> From: Tree Fitzpatrick [mailto:therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:21 AM
> To: GURT Resource Centre for NGO Development
> Subject: Re: Invitation to 15th Worldwide Open Space on Open Space
>
>
>
> I have absolutely no interest in attending the OSonOS in Kiev this  
> year.  I am writing to tell you why I am not interested. And I am  
> writing to complain that you have sent me this invitation.  Where  
> did you get my email?  You did not have my permission to use it.
>
> I was disappointed that people at OSonOS in Moscow hijacked this  
> important international gathering of OS practitioners from around  
> the world and insisted on taking the event to Kiev this year.  The  
> OSonOS gathering belongs to practitioners around the world and it  
> has norms and traditions that you folks refused to honor when you  
> decided to 'steal' the event to Kiev this year.  A key tradition of  
> OSonOS International has been to move around the world.
>
> I understand that one of your organizers was very aggressive in  
> Moscow, insisting on forcing OSonOS to Kiev. This makes me angry  
> and under no circumstances would I attend an event that was  
> demanded like this:  I feel like coming would be tantamount to  
> giving in to a child after he had a tantrum.  You folks in Kiev  
> were free to steal the event. . . but you could never win my  
> support of it.
>
> And, parenthetically, as it happens, Raffi did something similar at  
> Halifax OSonOS in 2005.  The group was leaning towards having  
> OSonOS 2006 in Scotland and Raffi stood up and said "I don't care  
> what you people want, there is going to be an international OSonOS  
> in Moscow this year" and the Halifax group gave in to Raffi.  I  
> mention this because now I am wondering if the Slavic world is  
> littered with bullies who think that imposing their will on people  
> is good collaboration?
>
> I also wonder if whoever that guy was, it was someone from Kiev who  
> was in Moscow at last year's conference, really gives a shit about  
> the rest of the world of OS practitioners.  I wonder if this guy  
> realizes that senior OS practitioners all over the world have heard  
> about this behavior.
>
> I venture to guess that you are going to have a very low turnout at  
> this event.  I suspect lots of people feel the way I do, that the  
> conference was birthed in an atmosphere of coersion, which is NOT  
> open space at all, is it?
>
> Please don't send me any more emails.  I have reported you to my  
> email provider as spam.
>
>
> -- 
> Love rays,
> Tree Fitzpatrick
>
> http://thecultureoflove.blogspot.com/
>
> . . . the great and incalculable grace of love, which says, with  
> Augustine, "I want you to be," without being able to give any  
> particular reason for such supreme and unsurpassable affirmation.   
> -- Hannah Arendt
>
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