[Fwd: Re: angry feedback...longish response to Jons questions]
Michael M Pannwitz
mmpanne at boscop.de
Tue Apr 10 07:27:32 PDT 2007
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: angry feedback...longish response to Jons questions
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:18:39 +0200
From: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne at boscop.de>
To: only.connect at virgin.net
References: <380-22007421092342336 at M2W040.mail2web.com>
Dear Jon,
1)14 is correct, more detail (lots of detail) at
> http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/wiki.cgi?OpenSpaceOnOpenSpace
2)Originally in Washington DC (near where Harrison lives, he hates to
travel)then other cities in the US and Canada (which to most North
Americans definitely already makes it an international event perhaps
even a global event but not quite a worldwide event)and then finally in
Berlin (some Berliners hosting it)making it closer to "worldwide" in
2000 and then all over the place, more often outside of NorthAmerica
(India, Australia,Russia,Denmark...) which prompted some movement to
have US-centered OSonOSes and also Canada-centered OSonOS and actually
regional US OSonOS...which was increasingly confusing because chaotic
which even osnicks have a hard time to deal with...parallel all kinds of
national, regional and even very local (also know as Stammtische)OSonOS
by different names popped up in Germany, UK, Scandinavia, Ukraine, etc.
Now it became increasingly spread and selforganizing...
3)The participants at the current WOSonOS decide where the next will be.
From what I have seen, this can be an interesting process. When I
wanted to invite the worldwide OSonOS to Berlin at the gathering in
Monterey in 1998 people there showed some interest...the following year
in Chicago, where I again wanted to enter my pitch Harrison jumped the
gun on me saying something like "Berlin would be nice" (he had just been
there and liked the beer) it was clear that it would be Berlin. So it
took place in Berlin. In Berlin there was a huge discussion of where it
should be the next time with suggestions we should go to places where os
is not very visible yet. But since there were no sponsors from such
places in the room, it didnt go to any of those places...I think it went
to Vancouver...
4)In a recent worldwide phone conference on WOSonOS among "senior"
osnicks there was agreement on some points around this issue, here the
summary
"Summary of Agreements that Emerged in Conversation:
During the conversation, there was full agreement to the following.
¨ We support the growth of OSonOS events around the world –
local, nationally, regionally and beyond
¨ We also want to continue the tradition of one, face to face,
Worldwide Open Space on Open Space a year . Let’s call it “WOSonOS”
¨ Open Space Institutes and Groups from around the world want to
provide more intentional guidance and support to the annual WOSonOS
event in the future.
¨ To better support the annual WOSonOS, we agreed on the following:
§ Develop at least a 2 year lead time for planning, seeking
volunteer sponsors/hosts beyond the current one year cycle
§ WOSonOS events need to have knowledgeable sponsorship,
with some previous experience at a WOSonOS event and with sufficient
local capacity. This requires a local institute or group volunteering
to host a WOSonOS.
§ Let’s alternate WOSonOS geographically, between (1)
Europe, (2) North America, and (3) Other Parts of the World. (As more
groups form, this pattern of three types of locations will change.)
¨ Continue telephone conversations among contacts from Open
Space Institutes and Groups to support WOSonOS and to explore other ways
to help “hold the space for Worldwide Open Space”
¨ Encourage and support participation at the upcoming Kiev event
in May, to the extent possible"
5)Its truly worldwide, following the "pattern" of the first 14 with the
15th coming up in Kyiv...one good way to tell whether it in fact is a
WOSonOS is to see whether Brian from Australia is attending...he has
been to all of them (sometimes he claims he was not at one of them but
nobody remembers that).
So, to really get the excitement and the spirit of WOSonOS, come to Kyiv
which happens to be an amazingly appropriate place for various reasons:
-the revolution continues
-there are 50 plus active osnicks in the Ukraine not quite uninvolved in
that process
-its THE place to get the worldwide connection this year
Have a look at the invitation
> http://www.demenko.info/welcome%21.html
Greetings from Berlin, potentially the place for WOSonOS 2010, ten years
after the first WOSonOS in Berlin, the third now being scheduled for 2020 !!
mmp
only.connect at virgin.net wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I am a newbie at all this and have never been to an OSONOS let alone a
> WOSONOS... So please could I have some data (from someone) in order that I
> might consider the implications of this email.
>
> 1) How many WOSONOS's have there been (14, I assume, but is this correct)?
> 2) Where have they occurred?
> 3) Who decides where the next WOSONOS will be?
> 4) And on what basis?
> 5) What makes an OSONOS a WOSONOS?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Jon Harvey
> Oxford
> UK
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Yana Demenko yana at demenko.info
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:54:13 +0300
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: angry feedback
>
>
> Dear OS Community,
>
> WOSonOS hosting team have got a very interesting feedback from Tree
> Fitzpatrick.
>
> I'm not going to comment it but I feel responsibility to share this
> mail with all of you.
>
> Whatever happens is the only thing that could have ...
>
>
> Best regards,
> Yana Demenko
>
> [e-mail] yana at demenko.info
> [post] p.o.box 4B, Kyiv-1, 01001, Ukraine
> [web] www.demenko.info
> [skype] yana_demenko
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Tree Fitzpatrick [mailto:therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:21 AM
>> To: GURT Resource Centre for NGO Development
>> Subject: Re: Invitation to 15th Worldwide Open Space on Open Space
>>
>>
>>
>> I have absolutely no interest in attending the OSonOS in Kiev this
>> year. I am writing to tell you why I am not interested. And I am
>> writing to complain that you have sent me this invitation. Where
>> did you get my email? You did not have my permission to use it.
>>
>> I was disappointed that people at OSonOS in Moscow hijacked this
>> important international gathering of OS practitioners from around
>> the world and insisted on taking the event to Kiev this year. The
>> OSonOS gathering belongs to practitioners around the world and it
>> has norms and traditions that you folks refused to honor when you
>> decided to 'steal' the event to Kiev this year. A key tradition of
>> OSonOS International has been to move around the world.
>>
>> I understand that one of your organizers was very aggressive in
>> Moscow, insisting on forcing OSonOS to Kiev. This makes me angry
>> and under no circumstances would I attend an event that was
>> demanded like this: I feel like coming would be tantamount to
>> giving in to a child after he had a tantrum. You folks in Kiev
>> were free to steal the event. . . but you could never win my
>> support of it.
>>
>> And, parenthetically, as it happens, Raffi did something similar at
>> Halifax OSonOS in 2005. The group was leaning towards having
>> OSonOS 2006 in Scotland and Raffi stood up and said "I don't care
>> what you people want, there is going to be an international OSonOS
>> in Moscow this year" and the Halifax group gave in to Raffi. I
>> mention this because now I am wondering if the Slavic world is
>> littered with bullies who think that imposing their will on people
>> is good collaboration?
>>
>> I also wonder if whoever that guy was, it was someone from Kiev who
>> was in Moscow at last year's conference, really gives a shit about
>> the rest of the world of OS practitioners. I wonder if this guy
>> realizes that senior OS practitioners all over the world have heard
>> about this behavior.
>>
>> I venture to guess that you are going to have a very low turnout at
>> this event. I suspect lots of people feel the way I do, that the
>> conference was birthed in an atmosphere of coersion, which is NOT
>> open space at all, is it?
>>
>> Please don't send me any more emails. I have reported you to my
>> email provider as spam.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Love rays,
>> Tree Fitzpatrick
>>
>> http://thecultureoflove.blogspot.com/
>>
>> . . . the great and incalculable grace of love, which says, with
>> Augustine, "I want you to be," without being able to give any
>> particular reason for such supreme and unsurpassable affirmation.
>> -- Hannah Arendt
>>
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>> Mountain View, California 94043
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