OSLIST Digest - 16 Oct 2006 to 17 Oct 2006 (#2006-274)
Romy Shovelton
romys at compuserve.com
Thu Oct 19 02:51:34 PDT 2006
Dearest Anne
Brilliant to 'hear' you...
I'm sure I've heard that chat "We are the ones..."
Would love to hear it again - wonder how?
Xx Romy
> From: anne stadler <annestad at comcast.net>
> Reply-To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:19:45 -0700
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: OSLIST Digest - 16 Oct 2006 to 17 Oct 2006 (#2006-274)
>
>
> Re: The END of leadership:
>
> Dear Yaav. Thank you for your beautiful, full description of a situation we
> find in the mainstream of all the cultures in which we are currently
> working. AND I echo dear Romy's words to you with enthusiasm.
>
> There's a chant we often sang at Spirited Work (an Open Space learning
> community of practice which ran for seven years until it was "over" in that
> form). "We are the ones we've been waiting for." AND I would amend that to
> be "I am the One I've been waiting for!".
>
> I would call that circle a leader-FULL circle, rather than a leader-less
> circle. To me, that is what Open Space signals and fosters: leaderfullness.
>
> Much love and blessing to you and Tova and Avner and all our brilliant and
> amazing colleagues doing such necessary heartful, thoughtful work!!
>
> Anne
>
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>> Subject: OSLIST Digest - 16 Oct 2006 to 17 Oct 2006 (#2006-274)
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>> There are 10 messages totalling 805 lines in this issue.
>>
>> Topics of the day:
>>
>> 1. The end of leadership (4)
>> 2. LIFT new Parliament (2)
>> 3. opening space with despise
>> 4. marketplace
>> 5. More OS with 3rd graders (2)
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>> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:18:39 +0100
>> From: Romy Shovelton <romys at compuserve.com>
>> Subject: Re: The end of leadership
>>
>> Yoav
>>
>> Thank you for your inspiration...
>>
>> And I guess it takes all of us to reminding ourselves (and others) that all
>> this is possible. Indeed I deeply believe that is is only when 'the people'
>> (= us too of course) genuinely feel that is their choice, their will, their
>> action that creates the world we (individually and collectively want)....
>> that we will achieve our dream(s).
>>
>> Thank you for your practical and profound example from a dear land that so
>> many people love.
>>
>> Romy
>>
>>> From: Yoav Peck <yoavpeck at netvision.net.il>
>>> Reply-To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
>>> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:55:07 +0200
>>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>>> Subject: The end of leadership
>>>
>>>
>>> Today the Israeli Knesset (parliament) convened for its winter session.
>>> Yesterday, the police recommended indicting our president for a collection
>>> of offenses, the most serious of which is the rape of two women in his
>>> employ.
>>> Many legislators announced their intention to protest the president's
>>> appearance at today's session and he wisely bowed to the pressure and did
>>> not attend.
>>> Why am I sharing this with you on the OS list?
>>> As I facilitated my first OS last month, I noticed a recurrent theme among
>>> the different groups - the longing for "someone who will be crazy about our
>>> issue" to appear and assume leadership in the efforts to fulfill the vision
>>> that crystallized in response to the day's question: the formation of a
>>> national council for parents and parenting professionals.
>>> What did not come home to the group of 60 people, mostly professionals who
>>> run parent-training programs, is that the "crazy-about-the-issue someone" is
>>> none other than they themselves. I low-profiled as much as I could,
>>> empowered, returned questioners to themselves. I left the room some. But the
>>> group seemed to be waiting and praying for the someone who will save us,
>>> during most of the course of the day. It appears that only after meeting
>>> with the steering committee and then holding round two of the OS will people
>>> be likely to get that the person sitting in their seat is "the one."
>>>
>>> At any rate, the profundity of OS' message came home to me during that first
>>> day. The fantasy that one driven, inspired leader will rescue us all from
>>> our helplessness is a chorus that can frequently be heard when people
>>> discuss the overall situation here in Israel.
>>> In my view, the 1995 assassination of Yitzhak Rabin marked the end of this
>>> fantasy here. Indeed, Rabin had qualities and qualifications that enabled so
>>> many of us to follow him. But, as in OS, the leader's "strength" was our
>>> downfall, because in the shine of his leadership our own light dimmed. The
>>> lion's share of peacemaking work remained even as he lived, but we deluded
>>> ourselves that he would carry us through to the promised land. Since his
>>> death, no comparable leader has emerged, and many here bemoan this reality.
>>> However, now that I have caught the OS "bug" I am wondering if Rabin's
>>> death, tragic as it was, may not be our cue to understanding that it is we
>>> who must create whatever is to be created here. It has been nearly eleven
>>> years, but with people's growing distaste for our "leaders," it appears that
>>> we Israelis may finally be getting the hint.
>>> Even Moses stayed behind, to die on Mt. Nevo while the people crossed over
>>> into Israel. It remains now for us to shoulder the burden of making the new
>>> tomorrow.
>>> I am grateful to discover OS as a way of holding this leaderless future. I
>>> relish the mails and look forward to the ongoing learning that is here.
>>> Yoav Peck,
>>> Jerusalem
>>>
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>> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:01:59 -0600
>> From: Joanna Fletcher <jo at lionlifecoaching.com>
>> Subject: Re: The end of leadership
>>
>> Yoav, I am so touched and inspired by your words below, I am crying into my
>> cornflakes. May your understanding spread into another step towards peace.
>>
>> Joanna Fletcher
>> Lion Life Coaching
>> jo at lionlifecoaching.com
>> 604-340-1855
>> www.lionlifecoaching.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Yoav Peck
>> Sent: October 15, 2006 10:55 AM
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: The end of leadership
>>
>> Today the Israeli Knesset (parliament) convened for its winter session.
>> Yesterday, the police recommended indicting our president for a collection
>> of offenses, the most serious of which is the rape of two women in his
>> employ.
>> Many legislators announced their intention to protest the president's
>> appearance at today's session and he wisely bowed to the pressure and did
>> not attend.
>> Why am I sharing this with you on the OS list?
>> As I facilitated my first OS last month, I noticed a recurrent theme among
>> the different groups - the longing for "someone who will be crazy about our
>> issue" to appear and assume leadership in the efforts to fulfill the vision
>> that crystallized in response to the day's question: the formation of a
>> national council for parents and parenting professionals.
>> What did not come home to the group of 60 people, mostly professionals who
>> run parent-training programs, is that the "crazy-about-the-issue someone" is
>> none other than they themselves. I low-profiled as much as I could,
>> empowered, returned questioners to themselves. I left the room some. But the
>> group seemed to be waiting and praying for the someone who will save us,
>> during most of the course of the day. It appears that only after meeting
>> with the steering committee and then holding round two of the OS will people
>> be likely to get that the person sitting in their seat is "the one."
>>
>> At any rate, the profundity of OS' message came home to me during that first
>> day. The fantasy that one driven, inspired leader will rescue us all from
>> our helplessness is a chorus that can frequently be heard when people
>> discuss the overall situation here in Israel.
>> In my view, the 1995 assassination of Yitzhak Rabin marked the end of this
>> fantasy here. Indeed, Rabin had qualities and qualifications that enabled so
>> many of us to follow him. But, as in OS, the leader's "strength" was our
>> downfall, because in the shine of his leadership our own light dimmed. The
>> lion's share of peacemaking work remained even as he lived, but we deluded
>> ourselves that he would carry us through to the promised land. Since his
>> death, no comparable leader has emerged, and many here bemoan this reality.
>> However, now that I have caught the OS "bug" I am wondering if Rabin's
>> death, tragic as it was, may not be our cue to understanding that it is we
>> who must create whatever is to be created here. It has been nearly eleven
>> years, but with people's growing distaste for our "leaders," it appears that
>> we Israelis may finally be getting the hint.
>> Even Moses stayed behind, to die on Mt. Nevo while the people crossed over
>> into Israel. It remains now for us to shoulder the burden of making the new
>> tomorrow.
>> I am grateful to discover OS as a way of holding this leaderless future. I
>> relish the mails and look forward to the ongoing learning that is here.
>> Yoav Peck,
>> Jerusalem
>>
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>> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:21:01 +0100
>> From: Phelim McDermott <phelim at mac.com>
>> Subject: LIFT new Parliament
>>
>> Hi Friends,
>>
>> phelim here.. here's a link to the report for the first open space
>> event "London International Theatre Festival" had as the start for
>> their artist's new parliament building (which is a portable structure
>> which will house forum events in conjunction with arts events). It
>> was a great day and great to have support from Romy at the event. Two
>> more open space events to follow.
>>
>> phelimx
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>> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:39:10 +0200
>> From: Yoav Peck <yoavpeck at netvision.net.il>
>> Subject: Re: The end of leadership
>>
>> Romy,
>> Appreciate your response. Thanks much. Good to know that folks out there
>> care about Israel. Yoav
>>
>> Yoav
>>
>> Thank you for your inspiration...
>>
>> And I guess it takes all of us to reminding ourselves (and others) that all
>> this is possible. Indeed I deeply believe that is is only when 'the people'
>> (= us too of course) genuinely feel that is their choice, their will, their
>> action that creates the world we (individually and collectively want)....
>> that we will achieve our dream(s).
>>
>> Thank you for your practical and profound example from a dear land that so
>> many people love.
>>
>> Romy
>>
>>> From: Yoav Peck <yoavpeck at netvision.net.il>
>>> Reply-To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
>>> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:55:07 +0200
>>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>>> Subject: The end of leadership
>>>
>>>
>>> Today the Israeli Knesset (parliament) convened for its winter session.
>>> Yesterday, the police recommended indicting our president for a collection
>>> of offenses, the most serious of which is the rape of two women in his
>>> employ.
>>> Many legislators announced their intention to protest the president's
>>> appearance at today's session and he wisely bowed to the pressure and did
>>> not attend.
>>> Why am I sharing this with you on the OS list?
>>> As I facilitated my first OS last month, I noticed a recurrent theme among
>>> the different groups - the longing for "someone who will be crazy about
>> our
>>> issue" to appear and assume leadership in the efforts to fulfill the
>> vision
>>> that crystallized in response to the day's question: the formation of a
>>> national council for parents and parenting professionals.
>>> What did not come home to the group of 60 people, mostly professionals who
>>> run parent-training programs, is that the "crazy-about-the-issue someone"
>> is
>>> none other than they themselves. I low-profiled as much as I could,
>>> empowered, returned questioners to themselves. I left the room some. But
>> the
>>> group seemed to be waiting and praying for the someone who will save us,
>>> during most of the course of the day. It appears that only after meeting
>>> with the steering committee and then holding round two of the OS will
>> people
>>> be likely to get that the person sitting in their seat is "the one."
>>>
>>> At any rate, the profundity of OS' message came home to me during that
>> first
>>> day. The fantasy that one driven, inspired leader will rescue us all from
>>> our helplessness is a chorus that can frequently be heard when people
>>> discuss the overall situation here in Israel.
>>> In my view, the 1995 assassination of Yitzhak Rabin marked the end of this
>>> fantasy here. Indeed, Rabin had qualities and qualifications that enabled
>> so
>>> many of us to follow him. But, as in OS, the leader's "strength" was our
>>> downfall, because in the shine of his leadership our own light dimmed. The
>>> lion's share of peacemaking work remained even as he lived, but we deluded
>>> ourselves that he would carry us through to the promised land. Since his
>>> death, no comparable leader has emerged, and many here bemoan this
>> reality.
>>> However, now that I have caught the OS "bug" I am wondering if Rabin's
>>> death, tragic as it was, may not be our cue to understanding that it is we
>>> who must create whatever is to be created here. It has been nearly eleven
>>> years, but with people's growing distaste for our "leaders," it appears
>> that
>>> we Israelis may finally be getting the hint.
>>> Even Moses stayed behind, to die on Mt. Nevo while the people crossed over
>>> into Israel. It remains now for us to shoulder the burden of making the
>> new
>>> tomorrow.
>>> I am grateful to discover OS as a way of holding this leaderless future. I
>>> relish the mails and look forward to the ongoing learning that is here.
>>> Yoav Peck,
>>> Jerusalem
>>>
>>> *
>>> *
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>> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:42:20 +0200
>> From: Yoav Peck <yoavpeck at netvision.net.il>
>> Subject: Re: The end of leadership
>>
>> Joanna,
>> Thanks much for your note. I looked at your site and it looks like you do
>> things that harmonize with my stuff. I lead organizational interventions for
>> the advancement of human dignity, particularly in schools and education
>> systems. Attaching a piece I put together for one of the foundations that
>> support our work. You're located in British Columbia? Whereabouts? Best,
>> Yoav
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Joanna
>> Fletcher
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:02 PM
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Re: The end of leadership
>>
>> Yoav, I am so touched and inspired by your words below, I am crying into my
>> cornflakes. May your understanding spread into another step towards peace.
>>
>> Joanna Fletcher
>> Lion Life Coaching
>> jo at lionlifecoaching.com
>> 604-340-1855
>> www.lionlifecoaching.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Yoav Peck
>> Sent: October 15, 2006 10:55 AM
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: The end of leadership
>>
>> Today the Israeli Knesset (parliament) convened for its winter session.
>> Yesterday, the police recommended indicting our president for a collection
>> of offenses, the most serious of which is the rape of two women in his
>> employ.
>> Many legislators announced their intention to protest the president's
>> appearance at today's session and he wisely bowed to the pressure and did
>> not attend.
>> Why am I sharing this with you on the OS list?
>> As I facilitated my first OS last month, I noticed a recurrent theme among
>> the different groups - the longing for "someone who will be crazy about our
>> issue" to appear and assume leadership in the efforts to fulfill the vision
>> that crystallized in response to the day's question: the formation of a
>> national council for parents and parenting professionals.
>> What did not come home to the group of 60 people, mostly professionals who
>> run parent-training programs, is that the "crazy-about-the-issue someone" is
>> none other than they themselves. I low-profiled as much as I could,
>> empowered, returned questioners to themselves. I left the room some. But the
>> group seemed to be waiting and praying for the someone who will save us,
>> during most of the course of the day. It appears that only after meeting
>> with the steering committee and then holding round two of the OS will people
>> be likely to get that the person sitting in their seat is "the one."
>>
>> At any rate, the profundity of OS' message came home to me during that first
>> day. The fantasy that one driven, inspired leader will rescue us all from
>> our helplessness is a chorus that can frequently be heard when people
>> discuss the overall situation here in Israel.
>> In my view, the 1995 assassination of Yitzhak Rabin marked the end of this
>> fantasy here. Indeed, Rabin had qualities and qualifications that enabled so
>> many of us to follow him. But, as in OS, the leader's "strength" was our
>> downfall, because in the shine of his leadership our own light dimmed. The
>> lion's share of peacemaking work remained even as he lived, but we deluded
>> ourselves that he would carry us through to the promised land. Since his
>> death, no comparable leader has emerged, and many here bemoan this reality.
>> However, now that I have caught the OS "bug" I am wondering if Rabin's
>> death, tragic as it was, may not be our cue to understanding that it is we
>> who must create whatever is to be created here. It has been nearly eleven
>> years, but with people's growing distaste for our "leaders," it appears that
>> we Israelis may finally be getting the hint.
>> Even Moses stayed behind, to die on Mt. Nevo while the people crossed over
>> into Israel. It remains now for us to shoulder the burden of making the new
>> tomorrow.
>> I am grateful to discover OS as a way of holding this leaderless future. I
>> relish the mails and look forward to the ongoing learning that is here.
>> Yoav Peck,
>> Jerusalem
>>
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>> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:53:54 +0100
>> From: Phelim McDermott <phelim at mac.com>
>> Subject: Re: LIFT new Parliament
>>
>> http://www.liftfest.org.uk/festivalsandevents/current_events/
>> hopeful_and_fearful/
>>
>> and now its really here
>> On 17 Oct 2006, at 15:21, Phelim McDermott wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Friends,
>>>
>>> phelim here.. here's a link to the report for the first open space
>>> event "London International Theatre Festival" had as the start for
>>> their artist's new parliament building (which is a portable
>>> structure which will house forum events in conjunction with arts
>>> events). It was a great day and great to have support from Romy at
>>> the event. Two more open space events to follow.
>>>
>>> phelimx
>>>
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>> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:26:27 +0200
>> From: Jo Toepfer <jotoepfer at boscop.de>
>> Subject: Re: opening space with despise
>>
>> Dear Filiz,
>>
>> one part of being present and invisible for me is to think always about
>> the beauty, brightness and potential of the group that came together in
>> this particular gathering. And that any person in the room is a gift.
>>
>> Doing so I normally forget about my own judgements and assumptions, that
>> are telling me what kind of group I deal with.
>>
>> greetings
>> Jo
>> ***********************
>> filiz schrieb:
>>> I know that is a weird subject line. This is the question I have today:
>>> Have you ever hosted an open space with a group/organization that you
>>> despise? If despise is too strong of a word, how about disapprove or
>>> dislike?
>>> Is it ethical?
>>> Is it possible for a facilitator to carry certain position and emotions
>>> on a certain issue and still open space on that issue?
>>>
>>> Can you share your experiences?
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
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>> Blossin/Germany - check it out:
>> www.boscop.de
>>
>> Jo Toepfer, boscop eg
>> Dolziger Str. 40, 10247 Berlin
>> ++49-30-42018000
>> www.boscop.de www.joconsult.de
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>> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:11:05 -0600
>> From: Sheila Beauchemin <s.beauchemin at SHAW.CA>
>> Subject: Re: marketplace
>>
>> Thanks all for all the responses to my follow-up questions around how to=20=
>>
>> stay present while not physically being present and other threads...
>>
>> The direction of this conversation reminded me of some words of wisdom I=20=
>>
>> received before embarking on the adventure of parenthood. We have to tak=
>> e=20
>> care of three important relationships in our lives - person, partner,=20
>> parent in that order. Neglect of any one has consequences for the other.=
>> =20=20
>> I think there is a correlation that can be made to what you are saying=20=
>>
>> about facilitation in open space.=20=20
>>
>> Once again - thanks for the encouragement and the perspectives.
>>
>> Sheila
>> Victoria BC
>>
>> *
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>> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:35:12 -0700
>> From: ashley cooper <mail.easilyamazed at gmail.com>
>> Subject: More OS with 3rd graders
>>
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>> Hello all,
>>
>> I had a fun occurance this week. Parents were writing to teachers, the head
>> of my division and me (the counselor) with concerns about 'bullying issues'
>> -- Name calling, unfairness, poor sportsmanship on sports teams, etc. The
>> parents believe the problem is getting out of hand and want us to do
>> something to help. I piped in quickly... that's great that the kids are
>> going to their parents for help... and let's help them self-organize around
>> the issues and find ways to help themselves. Rather than just working with
>> the students having the problems, let's make it an opportunity for the whole
>> grade. The teachers went for the idea and next Tuesday we will be opening
>> space. I had lunch with a representative group of 7 students today to
>> explore a theme and what they would like to see come out of the event. The
>> theme they came up with is looking something like: How can we be respectful
>> towards other people in the 3rd grade team, teachers, people in general,
>> school property, and natural resources. We're meeting again on Monday to
>> finalize our plans. They thought it might be good to start things off with
>> Aretha Franklin's song R-E-S-P-E-C-T.
>>
>> Sounds fun to me!
>>
>> Ashley
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>> Hello all,<br>
>> <br>
>> I had a fun occurance this week. Parents were writing to teachers, the
>> head of my division and me (the counselor) with concerns about
>> 'bullying issues' -- Name calling, unfairness, poor sportsmanship on
>> sports teams, etc. The parents believe the problem is getting out of
>> hand and want us to do something to help. I piped in quickly... that's
>> great that the kids are going to their parents for help... and let's
>> help them self-organize around the issues and find ways to help
>> themselves. Rather than just working with the students having the
>> problems, let's make it an opportunity for the whole grade. The
>> teachers went for the idea and next Tuesday we will be opening space. I
>> had lunch with a representative group of 7 students today to explore a
>> theme and what they would like to see come out of the event. The theme
>> they came up with is looking something like: How can we be
>> respectful towards other people in the 3rd grade team, teachers, people
>> in general, school property, and natural resources. We're meeting again
>> on Monday to finalize our plans. They thought it might be good to start
>> things off with Aretha Franklin's song R-E-S-P-E-C-T.<br>
>> <br>
>> Sounds fun to me!<br>
>> <br>
>> Ashley<br>
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>> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 00:59:35 EDT
>> From: Joelle Lyons Everett <JLEShelton at aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: More OS with 3rd graders
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>> Ashley--
>>
>> Fun, indeed! This is really great, that students at your school are
>> learning to self-organize and help themselves.
>>
>> Years ago, I opened space for the teachers and staff of an elementary school.
>> The students were not involved in this one, though the first graders set up
>> the room (a small gymnasium) at the end of their recess. In the course of
>> preparing for the OS, I learned that this school was using a talking stick to
>> resolve conflicts between students. When there was a problem, someone would
>> run to get the talking stick, and both parties would take turns saying
>> whatever
>> needed to be said, until they could work out a solution.
>>
>> Sounds like your school is growing people who might learn to solve disputes
>> without violence.
>>
>> Joelle
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