A taster of OST meeting on 1,5 hour and large groups and logistics
Pannwitz, Michael M
mmpanne at boscop.de
Mon Sep 12 14:08:05 PDT 2005
we are becoming more and more successful in convincing sponsors
to finance a team
so that I have to do less of all that (even though I love to do some
of it)
logistics stuff.
even with smaller groups
And then, there are an increasing number of people eager to work on
teams
just for the experience, thats also a perfect training ground
mmp
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:58:51 -0400, Harrison Owen wrote:
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>Lisa - further on your point about logistics. Actually I rather find the
>reverse to be true. The larger the group, the easier (for me) the =
>logistics.
>With a small group the tendency is to "let the facilitator do it" (as in
>signs, computers, etc.) But with a large (or better VERY LARGE) group - =
>it
>is obviously impossible for the facilitator to do it and therefore very =
>easy
>to put everyone to work. Once again proving the advantage of thinking of =
>one
>more thing not to do.
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>Hi, Karen - good question.
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>=20
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>Karen wrote:
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><Harrison,
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>I'm curious to hear more about why you would say 120 is probably easier =
>than
>
>40. It leads me to wonder also is there a point (number) where it =
>shifts
>
>away from easier?>
>
>=20
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>I look forward to hearing your thoughts, Harrison - in my experience =
>working
>with groups of from 1 (yep) to 1500, the only challenge (true for all =
>sizes
>of groups) is about logistics. With the right team helping put on the
>event, there's not a shift to 'harder', just more things to think about =
>and
>secure during the pre-work/prep/organizing time. And if there's
>documentation during the event, availability of technology or wallspace =
>or
>whatever to co-create and distribute (during or soon after the event) =
>the
>Book of Proceedings.
>
>=20
>
>Site size, site access, ability to hear everyone, enough paper, posting
>area, time, the whole thing.
>
>=20
>
>=20
>
>Given great logistical planning and prep work, the ability of people to =
>post
>topics (I've not experience any sized group taking more than 1.25 hours =
>for
>opening and agenda co-creation), the ease of discussion, the flow, the
>intimacy of discussion - all those things, delightfully, remain the =
>same.
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>logistics. Actually I rather find the reverse to be true. The larger the =
>group,
>the easier (for me) the logistics. With a small group the tendency is to =
>“let
>the facilitator do it” (as in signs, computers, etc.) But with a =
>large
>(or better VERY LARGE) group – it is obviously impossible for the
>facilitator to do it and therefore very easy to put everyone to work. =
>Once
>again proving the advantage of thinking of one more thing not to =
>do.</span></font></p>
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><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: A taster of =
>OST
>meeting on 1,5 hour</span></font></p>
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>face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Hi, Karen - good question.</span></font></p>
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><p class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><i><font size=3D2
>face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic'>Karen
>wrote:</span></font></i></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><i><font size=3D2
>face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
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>an
> style=3D'font-style:italic'>Harrison</span></i><i><span =
>style=3D'font-style:italic'>,</span></i></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><i><font size=3D2
>face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic'>I'm
>curious to hear more about why you would say 120 is probably easier =
>than</span></font></i></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><i><font size=3D2
>face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic'>40.
>It leads me to wonder also is there a point (number) where it =
>shifts</span></font></i></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><i><font size=3D2
>face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic'>away from
>easier?></span></font></i></p>
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>color=3Dblack
>face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
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>
><p class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
>color=3Dblack
>face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I =
>look forward
>to hearing your thoughts, </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
> style=3D'color:black'>Harrison</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
>style=3D'color:black'> - in my experience working with groups of from 1 =
>(yep) to
>1500, the only challenge (true for all sizes of groups) is about
>logistics. With the right team helping put on the event, =
>there’s not
>a shift to ‘harder’, just more things to think about and =
>secure
>during the pre-work/prep/organizing time. And if there’s
>documentation during the event, availability of technology or wallspace =
>or
>whatever to co-create and distribute (during or soon after the event) =
>the Book
>of Proceedings.</span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
>color=3Dblack
>face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
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><p class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
>color=3Dblack
>face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Site =
>size, site
>access, ability to hear everyone, enough paper, posting area, time, the =
>whole
>thing.</span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
>color=3Dblack
>face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
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>color=3Dblack
>face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Given =
>great
>logistical planning and prep work, the ability of people to post topics
>(I’ve not experience any sized group taking more than 1.25 hours =
>for
>opening and agenda co-creation), the ease of discussion, the flow, the =
>intimacy
>of discussion – all those things, delightfully, remain the =
>same.</span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
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