OSLIST Digest - 29 Sep 2005 to 30 Sep 2005 (#2005-268)
Lynda Klau
lynda at drlyndaklau.com
Sat Oct 1 10:32:58 PDT 2005
Hi All,
For language beyond debate
Two alternatives come to mind:
Courageous Conversations -- also the title of more than one book
Conversations at the Edge-- a phase David Whyte ‹the poet and corporate
speaker-- likes to use
which I like very much
Best,
Lynda
Lynda Klau, Ph.D.
FOUNDER/CEO LIFE UNLIMITED
Specializing in Human Evolution
Executive & Life Coaching, Speaking/ Training, Clinical Psychologist
phone: 212-595-7373
E-mail: lynda at drlyndaklau.com
website:http://www.DrLyndaKlau.com
By the time the sun rises tomorrow
The world could look entirely different.
On 10/1/05 2:00 AM, "OSLIST automatic digest system"
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> Topics of the day:
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> 1. Alternatives to Debate/Was Re: Open Space in the European Community
> 2. Cross Cultural Facilitation (2)
> 3. Estonian Open Space Institute founded and Murphy's Laws ab out Open Space
> Technology (OST)
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> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:41:22 +0300
> From: Funda <fundaoral at ttnet.net.tr>
> Subject: Re: Alternatives to Debate/Was Re: Open Space in the European
> Community
>
> I like the word and the concept of "dialogue"
>
> "dialogue & delibaration" is also meaningful ( Sandy Heierbacher uses these
> words on Peggy's message)
>
> Funda
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Diana Larsen" <dlarsen at futureworksconsulting.com>
> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:29 PM
> Subject: Alternatives to Debate/Was Re: Open Space in the European Community
>
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Time to stop lurking, I guess. ;-)
>>
>> When the purpose of a gathering (or that part of a gathering) is to
>> explore ideas more than it is to make decisions, I create an additional
>> flip chart poster with four continua. As I open space (notice the lower
>> case) for groups, I extend the invitation to focus on:
>> - inquiry rather than advocacy
>> - discussion rather than debate
>> - conversation rather than argument
>> - understanding rather than defending
>>
>> Participants have come to me to say that it helped them for me to make
>> this distinction in the kinds of possible discourse. They hadn't thought
>> about the fact that they had options to choose from when they interacted
>> on topics about which they felt passion.
>>
>> Peace!
>> Diana
>>
>> Diana Larsen
>> www.futureworksconsulting.com 503-288-3550
>>
>> I'll be at the Pacific Northwest Software Quality Conference in Portland
>> OR USA, Oct 10-12, 2005. They are ready to accept registrations! Sign up
>> now for a great conference:
>> http://www.pnsqc.org
>> http://www.pnsqc.org/conference05/workshops.php
>>
>> Other Upcoming Events:
>> - Open Workshop with Diana Larsen, Esther Derby & Ken Schwaber
>> "The Secrets of Agile Teamwork: Beyond Technical Skills"
>> Dec. 6-8, 2005, Portland OR USA
>> http://www.futureworksconsulting.com/events.html
>>
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2005, at 9:29 AM, Harrison Owen wrote:
>>
>>> Very good point! I have just been invited to facilitate a gathering of
>>> 200
>>> Rabbis and Imams from around the world -- on the question "Issues and
>>> Opportunities for enabling peace between Jews and Muslims" (At least I
>>> think
>>> that is the question). And that nasty word "debate" came up in our
>>> discussions of how to write the invitation. I can certainly understand
>>> how
>>> it jumps up -- given everybody's history. But it really is a bummer. We
>>> do
>>> need to think of some alternatives. "Engaged Conversation" might head in
>>> a
>>> more fruitful direction. And other possibilities would be wonderful.
>>>
>>> Harrison
>>>
>>> Harrison Owen
>>> 7808 River Falls Drive
>>> Potomac, Maryland 20845
>>> Phone 301-365-2093
>>>
>>> Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com
>>> Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org
>>> Personal website http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm
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> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:21:31 +0800
> From: Brendan McKeague <mckeague at iprimus.com.au>
> Subject: Cross Cultural Facilitation
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> G'day folks in the OS global community
> A new client has asked me about facilitating a=20
> one-day OS for a group of stakeholders and others=20
> about the creation of a refuge/hostel for=20
> indigenous women - she has only minor concerns=20
> about using Open Space having recently=20
> experienced her first event with me - her major=20
> concern is about using a non-Aboriginal white=20
> male as the facilitator - see honest and=20
> forthright comments below - and this event would=20
> be in a different part of the country from where=20
> I live and where I'm not known locally in the=20
> indigenous community - any thoughts on this=20
> query? Any stories of this sort of cross-cultural/gender scenario?
> Cheers
> Brendan
> We have an opportunity with the new site being=20
> built in ----- to devote some of our resources to=20
> responding to the plight of indigenous=20
> families. Having a different focus away from the=20
> mainstream site gives our service an opportunity=20
> to explore, with the assistance of indigenous=20
> stakeholders, a different way of responding to=20
> women and children from indigenous families=20
> escaping violence. I don=92t know what this will=20
> look like and it will be difficult and we won=92t=20
> always get it right. It will be a process of=20
> learning and experimenting with new ways of responding to families.
>
> This is like a leap into the unknown for us=20
> because it will change our service. It has not=20
> been undertaken by any other service to my=20
> knowledge, so there is no blue print to how we=20
> should proceed. Having said this, I do think it=20
> is possible and I believe it will have a positive=20
> impact on our service as a whole.
> There would be about 35-40 people invited to this=20
> gathering which would represent all of the key=20
> groups that would have an interest in a=20
> mainstream organisation taking on and providing a=20
> service to Aboriginal women and children.
> There has been a positive reaction so far to the=20
> proposal from Aboriginal organisations but I am=20
> sure we will face some resistance/perhaps=20
> hostility? (I will probably know this before we=20
> enter an open space) =96 and in a sense that is one=20
> of the reasons why I think an Open Space forum=20
> will be good so that we can hear and respond to people=92s concerns.
> One of my concerns Brendan is how they will=20
> receive you as a facilitator of this process. I=20
> am confident about you holding the space for us=20
> to discuss these issues but I also don=92t want to=20
> set you up in the process either. I am worried=20
> that there might be some hostility to a man=20
> facilitating the process and not a woman (you may=20
> be the only man there). I would love your=20
> thoughts around this and whether you have done=20
> anything similar before. Part of me says be=20
> courageous and go with what you think will work=20
> and another part of me is scared stiff!
>
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> G'day folks in the OS global community<br>
> A new client has asked me about facilitating a one-day OS for a group of
> stakeholders and others about the creation of a refuge/hostel for
> indigenous women - she has only minor concerns about using Open Space
> having recently experienced her first event with me - her major concern
> is about using a non-Aboriginal white male as the facilitator - see
> honest and forthright comments below - and this event would be in a
> different part of the country from where I live and where I'm not known
> locally in the indigenous community - any thoughts on this query? Any
> stories of this sort of cross-cultural/gender scenario?<br>
> Cheers<br>
> Brendan
> <dl>
> <dd>We have an opportunity with the new site being built in ----- to
> devote some of our resources to responding to the plight of indigenous
> families. Having a different focus away from the mainstream site
> gives our service an opportunity to explore, with the assistance of
> indigenous stakeholders, a different way of responding to women and
> children from indigenous families escaping violence. I don=92t know
> what this will look like and it will be difficult and we won=92t always get
> it right. It will be a process of learning and experimenting with
> new ways of responding to families.
> <dd>
> <dd>This is like a leap into the unknown for us because it will change
> our service. It has not been undertaken by any other service to my
> knowledge, so there is no blue print to how we should proceed.
> Having said this, I do think it is possible and I believe it will have a
> positive impact on our service as a whole. <br>
>
> <dd>There would be about 35-40 people invited to this gathering which
> would represent all of the key groups that would have an interest in a
> mainstream organisation taking on and providing a service to Aboriginal
> women and children.
> <dd>There has been a positive reaction so far to the proposal from
> Aboriginal organisations but I am sure we will face some
> resistance/perhaps hostility? (I will probably know this before we enter
> an open space) =96 and in a sense that is one of the reasons why I think an
> Open Space forum will be good so that we can hear and respond to people=92s
> concerns. <br>
>
> <dd>One of my concerns Brendan is how they will receive you as a
> facilitator of this process. I am confident about you holding the
> space for us to discuss these issues but I also don=92t want to set you up
> in the process either. I am worried that there might be some
> hostility to a man facilitating the process and not a woman (you may be
> the only man there). I would love your thoughts around this and
> whether you have done anything similar before. Part of me says be
> courageous and go with what you think will work and another part of me is
> scared stiff! =20
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> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:29:49 -0700
> From: Wendy Farmer-O'Neil <wendy at xe.net>
> Subject: Re: Cross Cultural Facilitation
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> Hi Brendan,
>
>
>
> I can't comment specifically on the cross-cultural experience beyond my
> anti-racism training but I have worked in the battered women's movement for
> ten years and the concerns are valid. That said, I think that there will be
> fewer problems with OST than there would be with other processes as your
> goal is to be as invisible as possible anyway. There is also the potential
> benefit in the end of being a positive model that they don't get to see very
> often.
>
>
>
> I would suggest, for yourself, you may want to spend a little time
> evaluating your cultural competence (I have a tool for this that you could
> probably adapt if you want) and gender analysis so that you are sure you are
> comfortable going in there-and fully aware of what you are likely to face.
> Bottom line is that they have no reason to trust you and many probably
> won't. If you do choose to go ahead, I think that you need to be as
> authentic and upfront as possible when you open the circle. If you think
> about this from an appreciative angle, if you open by addressing your power
> and privilege and by acknowledging that they have no reason to trust you,
> you can then move right on to why that's okay-maybe even a good thing,
> because this isn't about you anyway-it's about them. This is their space,
> their time, their wisdom. You're just there to hold the space so that they
> can get to work on what has heart and meaning for them. Look to your
> sponsor for guidance on language and metaphor that will speak to the group.
> Your honesty and vulnerability could make the difference.
>
>
>
> Just my two-cents worth.
>
> Contact me off-list if you want the cultural competence tool or other info
> on connecting with white privilege.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wendy
>
> wendy at xe.net
>
> _____
>
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brendan
> McKeague
> Sent: September 30, 2005 8:22 PM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Cross Cultural Facilitation
>
>
>
> G'day folks in the OS global community
> A new client has asked me about facilitating a one-day OS for a group of
> stakeholders and others about the creation of a refuge/hostel for indigenous
> women - she has only minor concerns about using Open Space having recently
> experienced her first event with me - her major concern is about using a
> non-Aboriginal white male as the facilitator - see honest and forthright
> comments below - and this event would be in a different part of the country
> from where I live and where I'm not known locally in the indigenous
> community - any thoughts on this query? Any stories of this sort of
> cross-cultural/gender scenario?
> Cheers
> Brendan
>
> We have an opportunity with the new site being built in ----- to devote some
> of our resources to responding to the plight of indigenous families. Having
> a different focus away from the mainstream site gives our service an
> opportunity to explore, with the assistance of indigenous stakeholders, a
> different way of responding to women and children from indigenous families
> escaping violence. I don't know what this will look like and it will be
> difficult and we won't always get it right. It will be a process of
> learning and experimenting with new ways of responding to families.
>
>
>
> This is like a leap into the unknown for us because it will change our
> service. It has not been undertaken by any other service to my knowledge,
> so there is no blue print to how we should proceed. Having said this, I do
> think it is possible and I believe it will have a positive impact on our
> service as a whole.
>
> There would be about 35-40 people invited to this gathering which would
> represent all of the key groups that would have an interest in a mainstream
> organisation taking on and providing a service to Aboriginal women and
> children.
>
> There has been a positive reaction so far to the proposal from Aboriginal
> organisations but I am sure we will face some resistance/perhaps hostility?
> (I will probably know this before we enter an open space) - and in a sense
> that is one of the reasons why I think an Open Space forum will be good so
> that we can hear and respond to people's concerns.
>
> One of my concerns Brendan is how they will receive you as a facilitator of
> this process. I am confident about you holding the space for us to discuss
> these issues but I also don't want to set you up in the process either. I
> am worried that there might be some hostility to a man facilitating the
> process and not a woman (you may be the only man there). I would love your
> thoughts around this and whether you have done anything similar before.
> Part of me says be courageous and go with what you think will work and
> another part of me is scared stiff!
>
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> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi =
> Brendan,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I can’t comment specifically =
> on the
> cross-cultural experience beyond my anti-racism training but I have =
> worked in
> the battered women’s movement for ten years and the concerns are
> valid. That said, I think that there will be fewer problems with =
> OST than
> there would be with other processes as your goal is to be as invisible =
> as
> possible anyway. There is also the potential benefit in the end of =
> being
> a positive model that they don’t get to see very often. =
> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would suggest, for yourself, you =
> may
> want to spend a little time evaluating your cultural competence (I have =
> a tool
> for this that you could probably adapt if you want) and gender analysis =
> so that
> you are sure you are comfortable going in there—and fully aware of =
> what
> you are likely to face. Bottom line is that they have no reason to trust =
> you
> and many probably won’t. If you do choose to go ahead, I =
> think that
> you need to be as authentic and upfront as possible when you open the
> circle. If you think about this from an appreciative angle, if you =
> open
> by addressing your power and privilege and by acknowledging that they =
> have no
> reason to trust you, you can then move right on to why that’s =
> okay—maybe
> even a good thing, because this isn’t about you =
> anyway—it’s
> about them. This is their space, their time, their wisdom. =
> You’re
> just there to hold the space so that they can get to work on what has =
> heart and
> meaning for them. Look to your sponsor for guidance on language =
> and
> metaphor that will speak to the group. Your honesty and =
> vulnerability
> could make the difference.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Just my two-cents =
> worth…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Contact me off-list if you want the
> cultural competence tool or other info on connecting with white =
> privilege.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=
>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
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>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>wendy at xe.net<o:p></o:p></span></font=
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> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
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> face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
> <st1:PersonName
> w:st=3D"on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName <mailto:> =
> w:st=3D"on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Brendan =
> McKeague<br>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> September 30, 2005 =
> 8:22 PM<br>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
> w:st=3D"on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Cross Cultural
> Facilitation</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
> </div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 12.0pt'>G'day folks in the OS global community<br>
> A new client has asked me about facilitating a one-day OS for a group of
> stakeholders and others about the creation of a refuge/hostel for =
> indigenous
> women - she has only minor concerns about using Open Space having =
> recently
> experienced her first event with me - her major concern is about using a
> non-Aboriginal white male as the facilitator - see honest and forthright
> comments below - and this event would be in a different part of the =
> country
> from where I live and where I'm not known locally in the indigenous =
> community -
> any thoughts on this query? Any stories of this sort of =
> cross-cultural/gender
> scenario?<br>
> Cheers<br>
> Brendan <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>We have an opportunity with the new site =
> being built
> in ----- to devote some of our resources to responding to the plight of
> indigenous families. Having a different focus away from the =
> mainstream
> site gives our service an opportunity to explore, with the assistance of =
> indigenous
> stakeholders, a different way of responding to women and children from
> indigenous families escaping violence. I don’t know what =
> this will
> look like and it will be difficult and we won’t always get it
> right. It will be a process of learning and experimenting with new =
> ways
> of responding to families. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>This is like a leap into the unknown for us =
> because it
> will change our service. It has not been undertaken by any other =
> service
> to my knowledge, so there is no blue print to how we should =
> proceed. Having
> said this, I do think it is possible and I believe it will have a =
> positive
> impact on our service as a whole. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>There would be about 35-40 people invited to =
> this
> gathering which would represent all of the key groups that would have an
> interest in a mainstream organisation taking on and providing a service =
> to
> Aboriginal women and children. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>There has been a positive reaction so far to =
> the
> proposal from Aboriginal organisations but I am sure we will face some
> resistance/perhaps hostility? (I will probably know this before we enter =
> an
> open space) – and in a sense that is one of the reasons why I =
> think an
> Open Space forum will be good so that we can hear and respond to =
> people’s
> concerns. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>One of my concerns Brendan is how they will =
> receive
> you as a facilitator of this process. I am confident about you =
> holding
> the space for us to discuss these issues but I also don’t want to =
> set you
> up in the process either. I am worried that there might be some =
> hostility
> to a man facilitating the process and not a woman (you may be the only =
> man
> there). I would love your thoughts around this and whether you =
> have done
> anything similar before. Part of me says be courageous and go with =
> what
> you think will work and another part of me is scared stiff! =
> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
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> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 08:41:32 +0300
> From: Mikk Sarv <mikk at ilm.ee>
> Subject: Estonian Open Space Institute founded and Murphy's Laws ab out Open
> Space Technology (OST)
>
> Dear friends!
>
> Yesterday gathered first time the initiative group of Estonian Open Space
> Institute and decided to get it launched. For beginning there is more Open
> Space part than Institute - we decided to start as unformal group for
> beginning. Our next meeting is the 4th of November and our dream or ambition
> is to organise next year on the first week of June in Tallinn, Estonia the
> European OSonOS.
>
> Our first contribution to the Open Space world is th Murphy's Laws about
> Open Space Technology, put into words by Arno Baltin with additions from
> Jyri Bachman and Jaago Piller, translated into English by Toomas Niit. You
> are much welcomed to contribute to the work with your amendments and new
> parts.
>
> Mikk Sarv
>
> Murphy's Laws about Open Space Technology (OST)
>
>
>
> 1. If anything can go wrong, it will.
>
> 1.1. If it does not go wrong, it is Open Space (OS).
>
> 3. When the paying part is an eager user of the OS, nothing much comes out
> of it.
>
> 4. When the participants come unwillingly, there will be a powerful and
> uhibited discussion.
>
> 5. When the discussion is fruitful, it will let to go wrong.
>
> 6. If OST produces something new, the participants do not recognize it as a
> result of OST.
>
> 7. If the opener of space is very considerate, it makes the participants to
> struggle against.
>
> 7.1. If the opener of space is unconciderate, the result is the same.
>
> 8. When it feels that it's over, it is just starting.
>
> 9. When everybody is present, somebody is still missing.
>
> 10. If you haven't got anything to learn from the discussion or to add to
> it, your feet are like planted into the ground and you feel that you can't
> use them.
>
> 10.1. When you finally can get your feet moving, the discussion is becoming
> interesting.
>
> 10.2. When the discussion becomes interesting, the time is over.
>
>
> 11. When you start an important topic, only the butterflies come into the
> group.
>
> 11.1. When the last butterfly leaves, you'll understand that the topic wasn'
> t significant at all.
>
> 12. A bee does not feel being a bee before meeting a butterfly.
>
> Jüri Bachman's addition:
>
>
> 13. When the right people are present, someone still leaves - these are the
> right people who do.
>
>
> 13. 1. The right people are there when we aren't. When we aren't, they are
> there. When we arrive, they are about to leave.
>
> 14. If during the OST the impetus calms down, the flame goes out, or the
> pessimism takes over, it fires a new passion.
>
>
> (and from Jaago Piller):
>
>
> 15. Laughter discharges the lost energy.
>
> 15.1. The loss of energy discharges from laughter.
>
>
>
> Welcome to everybody!
>
> (And a note to Arno Baltin: Translation during the prime-time television
> without open space will cost you 5** EEK + two dark beers in a closed
> space).
>
> Toomas Niit
>
> Murphy's grandfather in Estonia
>
> September 30, 2005
>
> 2:15 am
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