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<FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'>Hi All,<BR>
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For language beyond debate<BR>
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Two alternatives come to mind:<BR>
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Courageous Conversations -- also the title of more than one book<BR>
<BR>
Conversations at the Edge-- a phase David Whyte —the poet and corporate speaker-- likes to use<BR>
which I like very much<BR>
<BR>
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Best,<BR>
Lynda<BR>
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On 10/1/05 2:00 AM, "OSLIST automatic digest system" <LISTSERV@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU> wrote:<BR>
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<FONT COLOR="#0000FF">> There are 4 messages totalling 845 lines in this issue.<BR>
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> Topics of the day:<BR>
> <BR>
> 1. Alternatives to Debate/Was Re: Open Space in the European Community<BR>
> 2. Cross Cultural Facilitation (2)<BR>
> 3. Estonian Open Space Institute founded and Murphy's Laws ab out Open Space<BR>
> Technology (OST)<BR>
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> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:41:22 +0300<BR>
> From: Funda <fundaoral@ttnet.net.tr><BR>
> Subject: Re: Alternatives to Debate/Was Re: Open Space in the European <BR>
> Community<BR>
> <BR>
> I like the word and the concept of "dialogue"<BR>
> <BR>
> "dialogue & delibaration" is also meaningful ( Sandy Heierbacher uses these <BR>
> words on Peggy's message)<BR>
> <BR>
> Funda<BR>
> <BR>
> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
> From: "Diana Larsen" <dlarsen@futureworksconsulting.com><BR>
> To: <OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU><BR>
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:29 PM<BR>
> Subject: Alternatives to Debate/Was Re: Open Space in the European Community<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#008000">>> Hi All,<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Time to stop lurking, I guess. ;-)<BR>
>> <BR>
>> When the purpose of a gathering (or that part of a gathering) is to <BR>
>> explore ideas more than it is to make decisions, I create an additional <BR>
>> flip chart poster with four continua. As I open space (notice the lower <BR>
>> case) for groups, I extend the invitation to focus on:<BR>
>> - inquiry rather than advocacy<BR>
>> - discussion rather than debate<BR>
>> - conversation rather than argument<BR>
>> - understanding rather than defending<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Participants have come to me to say that it helped them for me to make <BR>
>> this distinction in the kinds of possible discourse. They hadn't thought <BR>
>> about the fact that they had options to choose from when they interacted <BR>
>> on topics about which they felt passion.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Peace!<BR>
>> Diana<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Diana Larsen<BR>
>> www.futureworksconsulting.com 503-288-3550<BR>
>> <BR>
>> I'll be at the Pacific Northwest Software Quality Conference in Portland <BR>
>> OR USA, Oct 10-12, 2005. They are ready to accept registrations! Sign up <BR>
>> now for a great conference:<BR>
>> <a href="http://www.pnsqc.org">http://www.pnsqc.org</a><BR>
>> <a href="http://www.pnsqc.org/conference05/workshops.php">http://www.pnsqc.org/conference05/workshops.php</a><BR>
>> <BR>
>> Other Upcoming Events:<BR>
>> - Open Workshop with Diana Larsen, Esther Derby & Ken Schwaber<BR>
>> "The Secrets of Agile Teamwork: Beyond Technical Skills"<BR>
>> Dec. 6-8, 2005, Portland OR USA<BR>
>> <a href="http://www.futureworksconsulting.com/events.html">http://www.futureworksconsulting.com/events.html</a><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> On Sep 29, 2005, at 9:29 AM, Harrison Owen wrote:<BR>
>> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF0000">>>> Very good point! I have just been invited to facilitate a gathering of <BR>
>>> 200<BR>
>>> Rabbis and Imams from around the world -- on the question "Issues and<BR>
>>> Opportunities for enabling peace between Jews and Muslims" (At least I <BR>
>>> think<BR>
>>> that is the question). And that nasty word "debate" came up in our<BR>
>>> discussions of how to write the invitation. I can certainly understand <BR>
>>> how<BR>
>>> it jumps up -- given everybody's history. But it really is a bummer. We <BR>
>>> do<BR>
>>> need to think of some alternatives. "Engaged Conversation" might head in <BR>
>>> a<BR>
>>> more fruitful direction. And other possibilities would be wonderful.<BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> Harrison<BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> Harrison Owen<BR>
>>> 7808 River Falls Drive<BR>
>>> Potomac, Maryland 20845<BR>
>>> Phone 301-365-2093<BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com<BR>
>>> Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org<BR>
>>> Personal website <a href="http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm">http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm</a><BR>
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> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:21:31 +0800<BR>
> From: Brendan McKeague <mckeague@iprimus.com.au><BR>
> Subject: Cross Cultural Facilitation<BR>
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> G'day folks in the OS global community<BR>
> A new client has asked me about facilitating a=20<BR>
> one-day OS for a group of stakeholders and others=20<BR>
> about the creation of a refuge/hostel for=20<BR>
> indigenous women - she has only minor concerns=20<BR>
> about using Open Space having recently=20<BR>
> experienced her first event with me - her major=20<BR>
> concern is about using a non-Aboriginal white=20<BR>
> male as the facilitator - see honest and=20<BR>
> forthright comments below - and this event would=20<BR>
> be in a different part of the country from where=20<BR>
> I live and where I'm not known locally in the=20<BR>
> indigenous community - any thoughts on this=20<BR>
> query? Any stories of this sort of cross-cultural/gender scenario?<BR>
> Cheers<BR>
> Brendan<BR>
> We have an opportunity with the new site being=20<BR>
> built in ----- to devote some of our resources to=20<BR>
> responding to the plight of indigenous=20<BR>
> families. Having a different focus away from the=20<BR>
> mainstream site gives our service an opportunity=20<BR>
> to explore, with the assistance of indigenous=20<BR>
> stakeholders, a different way of responding to=20<BR>
> women and children from indigenous families=20<BR>
> escaping violence. I don=92t know what this will=20<BR>
> look like and it will be difficult and we won=92t=20<BR>
> always get it right. It will be a process of=20<BR>
> learning and experimenting with new ways of responding to families.<BR>
> <BR>
> This is like a leap into the unknown for us=20<BR>
> because it will change our service. It has not=20<BR>
> been undertaken by any other service to my=20<BR>
> knowledge, so there is no blue print to how we=20<BR>
> should proceed. Having said this, I do think it=20<BR>
> is possible and I believe it will have a positive=20<BR>
> impact on our service as a whole.<BR>
> There would be about 35-40 people invited to this=20<BR>
> gathering which would represent all of the key=20<BR>
> groups that would have an interest in a=20<BR>
> mainstream organisation taking on and providing a=20<BR>
> service to Aboriginal women and children.<BR>
> There has been a positive reaction so far to the=20<BR>
> proposal from Aboriginal organisations but I am=20<BR>
> sure we will face some resistance/perhaps=20<BR>
> hostility? (I will probably know this before we=20<BR>
> enter an open space) =96 and in a sense that is one=20<BR>
> of the reasons why I think an Open Space forum=20<BR>
> will be good so that we can hear and respond to people=92s concerns.<BR>
> One of my concerns Brendan is how they will=20<BR>
> receive you as a facilitator of this process. I=20<BR>
> am confident about you holding the space for us=20<BR>
> to discuss these issues but I also don=92t want to=20<BR>
> set you up in the process either. I am worried=20<BR>
> that there might be some hostility to a man=20<BR>
> facilitating the process and not a woman (you may=20<BR>
> be the only man there). I would love your=20<BR>
> thoughts around this and whether you have done=20<BR>
> anything similar before. Part of me says be=20<BR>
> courageous and go with what you think will work=20<BR>
> and another part of me is scared stiff!<BR>
> <BR>
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> G'day folks in the OS global community<br><BR>
> A new client has asked me about facilitating a one-day OS for a group of<BR>
> stakeholders and others about the creation of a refuge/hostel for<BR>
> indigenous women - she has only minor concerns about using Open Space<BR>
> having recently experienced her first event with me - her major concern<BR>
> is about using a non-Aboriginal white male as the facilitator - see<BR>
> honest and forthright comments below - and this event would be in a<BR>
> different part of the country from where I live and where I'm not known<BR>
> locally in the indigenous community - any thoughts on this query? Any<BR>
> stories of this sort of cross-cultural/gender scenario?<br><BR>
> Cheers<br><BR>
> Brendan<BR>
> <dl><BR>
> <dd>We have an opportunity with the new site being built in ----- to<BR>
> devote some of our resources to responding to the plight of indigenous<BR>
> families. Having a different focus away from the mainstream site<BR>
> gives our service an opportunity to explore, with the assistance of<BR>
> indigenous stakeholders, a different way of responding to women and<BR>
> children from indigenous families escaping violence. I don=92t know<BR>
> what this will look like and it will be difficult and we won=92t always get<BR>
> it right. It will be a process of learning and experimenting with<BR>
> new ways of responding to families.<BR>
> <dd> <BR>
> <dd>This is like a leap into the unknown for us because it will change<BR>
> our service. It has not been undertaken by any other service to my<BR>
> knowledge, so there is no blue print to how we should proceed. <BR>
> Having said this, I do think it is possible and I believe it will have a<BR>
> positive impact on our service as a whole. <br><BR>
> <BR>
> <dd>There would be about 35-40 people invited to this gathering which<BR>
> would represent all of the key groups that would have an interest in a<BR>
> mainstream organisation taking on and providing a service to Aboriginal<BR>
> women and children.<BR>
> <dd>There has been a positive reaction so far to the proposal from<BR>
> Aboriginal organisations but I am sure we will face some<BR>
> resistance/perhaps hostility? (I will probably know this before we enter<BR>
> an open space) =96 and in a sense that is one of the reasons why I think an<BR>
> Open Space forum will be good so that we can hear and respond to people=92s<BR>
> concerns. <br><BR>
> <BR>
> <dd>One of my concerns Brendan is how they will receive you as a<BR>
> facilitator of this process. I am confident about you holding the<BR>
> space for us to discuss these issues but I also don=92t want to set you up<BR>
> in the process either. I am worried that there might be some<BR>
> hostility to a man facilitating the process and not a woman (you may be<BR>
> the only man there). I would love your thoughts around this and<BR>
> whether you have done anything similar before. Part of me says be<BR>
> courageous and go with what you think will work and another part of me is<BR>
> scared stiff! =20<BR>
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> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:29:49 -0700<BR>
> From: Wendy Farmer-O'Neil <wendy@xe.net><BR>
> Subject: Re: Cross Cultural Facilitation<BR>
> <BR>
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> Hi Brendan,<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> I can't comment specifically on the cross-cultural experience beyond my<BR>
> anti-racism training but I have worked in the battered women's movement for<BR>
> ten years and the concerns are valid. That said, I think that there will be<BR>
> fewer problems with OST than there would be with other processes as your<BR>
> goal is to be as invisible as possible anyway. There is also the potential<BR>
> benefit in the end of being a positive model that they don't get to see very<BR>
> often. <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> I would suggest, for yourself, you may want to spend a little time<BR>
> evaluating your cultural competence (I have a tool for this that you could<BR>
> probably adapt if you want) and gender analysis so that you are sure you are<BR>
> comfortable going in there-and fully aware of what you are likely to face.<BR>
> Bottom line is that they have no reason to trust you and many probably<BR>
> won't. If you do choose to go ahead, I think that you need to be as<BR>
> authentic and upfront as possible when you open the circle. If you think<BR>
> about this from an appreciative angle, if you open by addressing your power<BR>
> and privilege and by acknowledging that they have no reason to trust you,<BR>
> you can then move right on to why that's okay-maybe even a good thing,<BR>
> because this isn't about you anyway-it's about them. This is their space,<BR>
> their time, their wisdom. You're just there to hold the space so that they<BR>
> can get to work on what has heart and meaning for them. Look to your<BR>
> sponsor for guidance on language and metaphor that will speak to the group.<BR>
> Your honesty and vulnerability could make the difference.<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> Just my two-cents worth.<BR>
> <BR>
> Contact me off-list if you want the cultural competence tool or other info<BR>
> on connecting with white privilege.<BR>
> <BR>
> Cheers,<BR>
> <BR>
> Wendy<BR>
> <BR>
> wendy@xe.net<BR>
> <BR>
> _____ <BR>
> <BR>
> From: OSLIST [<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]</a> On Behalf Of Brendan<BR>
> McKeague<BR>
> Sent: September 30, 2005 8:22 PM<BR>
> To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR>
> Subject: Cross Cultural Facilitation<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> G'day folks in the OS global community<BR>
> A new client has asked me about facilitating a one-day OS for a group of<BR>
> stakeholders and others about the creation of a refuge/hostel for indigenous<BR>
> women - she has only minor concerns about using Open Space having recently<BR>
> experienced her first event with me - her major concern is about using a<BR>
> non-Aboriginal white male as the facilitator - see honest and forthright<BR>
> comments below - and this event would be in a different part of the country<BR>
> from where I live and where I'm not known locally in the indigenous<BR>
> community - any thoughts on this query? Any stories of this sort of<BR>
> cross-cultural/gender scenario?<BR>
> Cheers<BR>
> Brendan <BR>
> <BR>
> We have an opportunity with the new site being built in ----- to devote some<BR>
> of our resources to responding to the plight of indigenous families. Having<BR>
> a different focus away from the mainstream site gives our service an<BR>
> opportunity to explore, with the assistance of indigenous stakeholders, a<BR>
> different way of responding to women and children from indigenous families<BR>
> escaping violence. I don't know what this will look like and it will be<BR>
> difficult and we won't always get it right. It will be a process of<BR>
> learning and experimenting with new ways of responding to families. <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> This is like a leap into the unknown for us because it will change our<BR>
> service. It has not been undertaken by any other service to my knowledge,<BR>
> so there is no blue print to how we should proceed. Having said this, I do<BR>
> think it is possible and I believe it will have a positive impact on our<BR>
> service as a whole. <BR>
> <BR>
> There would be about 35-40 people invited to this gathering which would<BR>
> represent all of the key groups that would have an interest in a mainstream<BR>
> organisation taking on and providing a service to Aboriginal women and<BR>
> children. <BR>
> <BR>
> There has been a positive reaction so far to the proposal from Aboriginal<BR>
> organisations but I am sure we will face some resistance/perhaps hostility?<BR>
> (I will probably know this before we enter an open space) - and in a sense<BR>
> that is one of the reasons why I think an Open Space forum will be good so<BR>
> that we can hear and respond to people's concerns. <BR>
> <BR>
> One of my concerns Brendan is how they will receive you as a facilitator of<BR>
> this process. I am confident about you holding the space for us to discuss<BR>
> these issues but I also don't want to set you up in the process either. I<BR>
> am worried that there might be some hostility to a man facilitating the<BR>
> process and not a woman (you may be the only man there). I would love your<BR>
> thoughts around this and whether you have done anything similar before.<BR>
> Part of me says be courageous and go with what you think will work and<BR>
> another part of me is scared stiff! <BR>
> <BR>
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> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:<BR>
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi =<BR>
> Brendan,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:<BR>
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:<BR>
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I can’t comment specifically =<BR>
> on the<BR>
> cross-cultural experience beyond my anti-racism training but I have =<BR>
> worked in<BR>
> the battered women’s movement for ten years and the concerns are<BR>
> valid. That said, I think that there will be fewer problems with =<BR>
> OST than<BR>
> there would be with other processes as your goal is to be as invisible =<BR>
> as<BR>
> possible anyway. There is also the potential benefit in the end of =<BR>
> being<BR>
> a positive model that they don’t get to see very often. =<BR>
> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:<BR>
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:<BR>
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would suggest, for yourself, you =<BR>
> may<BR>
> want to spend a little time evaluating your cultural competence (I have =<BR>
> a tool<BR>
> for this that you could probably adapt if you want) and gender analysis =<BR>
> so that<BR>
> you are sure you are comfortable going in there—and fully aware of =<BR>
> what<BR>
> you are likely to face. Bottom line is that they have no reason to trust =<BR>
> you<BR>
> and many probably won’t. If you do choose to go ahead, I =<BR>
> think that<BR>
> you need to be as authentic and upfront as possible when you open the<BR>
> circle. If you think about this from an appreciative angle, if you =<BR>
> open<BR>
> by addressing your power and privilege and by acknowledging that they =<BR>
> have no<BR>
> reason to trust you, you can then move right on to why that’s =<BR>
> okay—maybe<BR>
> even a good thing, because this isn’t about you =<BR>
> anyway—it’s<BR>
> about them. This is their space, their time, their wisdom. =<BR>
> You’re<BR>
> just there to hold the space so that they can get to work on what has =<BR>
> heart and<BR>
> meaning for them. Look to your sponsor for guidance on language =<BR>
> and<BR>
> metaphor that will speak to the group. Your honesty and =<BR>
> vulnerability<BR>
> could make the difference.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:<BR>
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:<BR>
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Just my two-cents =<BR>
> worth…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:<BR>
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Contact me off-list if you want the<BR>
> cultural competence tool or other info on connecting with white =<BR>
> privilege.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:<BR>
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:<BR>
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Wendy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:<BR>
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>wendy@xe.net<o:p></o:p></span></font=<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#008000">>> </p><BR>
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> <BR>
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> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;<BR>
> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =<BR>
> size=3D2<BR>
> face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =<BR>
> <st1:PersonName<BR>
> w:st=3D"on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> [<a href="mailto:<st1:PersonName">mailto:<st1:PersonName</a> =<BR>
> w:st=3D"on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]<BR>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Brendan =<BR>
> McKeague<br><BR>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> September 30, 2005 =<BR>
> 8:22 PM<br><BR>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =<BR>
> w:st=3D"on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br><BR>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Cross Cultural<BR>
> Facilitation</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><BR>
> <BR>
> </div><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:<BR>
> 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:<BR>
> 12.0pt'>G'day folks in the OS global community<br><BR>
> A new client has asked me about facilitating a one-day OS for a group of<BR>
> stakeholders and others about the creation of a refuge/hostel for =<BR>
> indigenous<BR>
> women - she has only minor concerns about using Open Space having =<BR>
> recently<BR>
> experienced her first event with me - her major concern is about using a<BR>
> non-Aboriginal white male as the facilitator - see honest and forthright<BR>
> comments below - and this event would be in a different part of the =<BR>
> country<BR>
> from where I live and where I'm not known locally in the indigenous =<BR>
> community -<BR>
> any thoughts on this query? Any stories of this sort of =<BR>
> cross-cultural/gender<BR>
> scenario?<br><BR>
> Cheers<br><BR>
> Brendan <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =<BR>
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>We have an opportunity with the new site =<BR>
> being built<BR>
> in ----- to devote some of our resources to responding to the plight of<BR>
> indigenous families. Having a different focus away from the =<BR>
> mainstream<BR>
> site gives our service an opportunity to explore, with the assistance of =<BR>
> indigenous<BR>
> stakeholders, a different way of responding to women and children from<BR>
> indigenous families escaping violence. I don’t know what =<BR>
> this will<BR>
> look like and it will be difficult and we won’t always get it<BR>
> right. It will be a process of learning and experimenting with new =<BR>
> ways<BR>
> of responding to families. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =<BR>
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =<BR>
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>This is like a leap into the unknown for us =<BR>
> because it<BR>
> will change our service. It has not been undertaken by any other =<BR>
> service<BR>
> to my knowledge, so there is no blue print to how we should =<BR>
> proceed. Having<BR>
> said this, I do think it is possible and I believe it will have a =<BR>
> positive<BR>
> impact on our service as a whole. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =<BR>
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>There would be about 35-40 people invited to =<BR>
> this<BR>
> gathering which would represent all of the key groups that would have an<BR>
> interest in a mainstream organisation taking on and providing a service =<BR>
> to<BR>
> Aboriginal women and children. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =<BR>
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>There has been a positive reaction so far to =<BR>
> the<BR>
> proposal from Aboriginal organisations but I am sure we will face some<BR>
> resistance/perhaps hostility? (I will probably know this before we enter =<BR>
> an<BR>
> open space) – and in a sense that is one of the reasons why I =<BR>
> think an<BR>
> Open Space forum will be good so that we can hear and respond to =<BR>
> people’s<BR>
> concerns. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><BR>
> <BR>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =<BR>
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span<BR>
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>One of my concerns Brendan is how they will =<BR>
> receive<BR>
> you as a facilitator of this process. I am confident about you =<BR>
> holding<BR>
> the space for us to discuss these issues but I also don’t want to =<BR>
> set you<BR>
> up in the process either. I am worried that there might be some =<BR>
> hostility<BR>
> to a man facilitating the process and not a woman (you may be the only =<BR>
> man<BR>
> there). I would love your thoughts around this and whether you =<BR>
> have done<BR>
> anything similar before. Part of me says be courageous and go with =<BR>
> what<BR>
> you think will work and another part of me is scared stiff! =<BR>
> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><BR>
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> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 08:41:32 +0300<BR>
> From: Mikk Sarv <mikk@ilm.ee><BR>
> Subject: Estonian Open Space Institute founded and Murphy's Laws ab out Open <BR>
> Space Technology (OST)<BR>
> <BR>
> Dear friends!<BR>
> <BR>
> Yesterday gathered first time the initiative group of Estonian Open Space<BR>
> Institute and decided to get it launched. For beginning there is more Open<BR>
> Space part than Institute - we decided to start as unformal group for<BR>
> beginning. Our next meeting is the 4th of November and our dream or ambition<BR>
> is to organise next year on the first week of June in Tallinn, Estonia the<BR>
> European OSonOS.<BR>
> <BR>
> Our first contribution to the Open Space world is th Murphy's Laws about<BR>
> Open Space Technology, put into words by Arno Baltin with additions from<BR>
> Jyri Bachman and Jaago Piller, translated into English by Toomas Niit. You<BR>
> are much welcomed to contribute to the work with your amendments and new<BR>
> parts.<BR>
> <BR>
> Mikk Sarv<BR>
> <BR>
> Murphy's Laws about Open Space Technology (OST)<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> 1. If anything can go wrong, it will.<BR>
> <BR>
> 1.1. If it does not go wrong, it is Open Space (OS).<BR>
> <BR>
> 3. When the paying part is an eager user of the OS, nothing much comes out<BR>
> of it.<BR>
> <BR>
> 4. When the participants come unwillingly, there will be a powerful and<BR>
> uhibited discussion.<BR>
> <BR>
> 5. When the discussion is fruitful, it will let to go wrong.<BR>
> <BR>
> 6. If OST produces something new, the participants do not recognize it as a<BR>
> result of OST.<BR>
> <BR>
> 7. If the opener of space is very considerate, it makes the participants to<BR>
> struggle against.<BR>
> <BR>
> 7.1. If the opener of space is unconciderate, the result is the same.<BR>
> <BR>
> 8. When it feels that it's over, it is just starting.<BR>
> <BR>
> 9. When everybody is present, somebody is still missing.<BR>
> <BR>
> 10. If you haven't got anything to learn from the discussion or to add to<BR>
> it, your feet are like planted into the ground and you feel that you can't<BR>
> use them.<BR>
> <BR>
> 10.1. When you finally can get your feet moving, the discussion is becoming<BR>
> interesting.<BR>
> <BR>
> 10.2. When the discussion becomes interesting, the time is over.<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> 11. When you start an important topic, only the butterflies come into the<BR>
> group.<BR>
> <BR>
> 11.1. When the last butterfly leaves, you'll understand that the topic wasn'<BR>
> t significant at all.<BR>
> <BR>
> 12. A bee does not feel being a bee before meeting a butterfly.<BR>
> <BR>
> Jüri Bachman's addition:<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> 13. When the right people are present, someone still leaves - these are the<BR>
> right people who do.<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> 13. 1. The right people are there when we aren't. When we aren't, they are<BR>
> there. When we arrive, they are about to leave.<BR>
> <BR>
> 14. If during the OST the impetus calms down, the flame goes out, or the<BR>
> pessimism takes over, it fires a new passion.<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> (and from Jaago Piller):<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> 15. Laughter discharges the lost energy.<BR>
> <BR>
> 15.1. The loss of energy discharges from laughter.<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> Welcome to everybody!<BR>
> <BR>
> (And a note to Arno Baltin: Translation during the prime-time television<BR>
> without open space will cost you 5** EEK + two dark beers in a closed<BR>
> space).<BR>
> <BR>
> Toomas Niit<BR>
> <BR>
> Murphy's grandfather in Estonia<BR>
> <BR>
> September 30, 2005<BR>
> <BR>
> 2:15 am<BR>
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