leverage points & Control --I wish I had it

[Therese Fitzpatrick]

"so, like, whatever" could be a principle, too, right?!

On 5/24/05, Harrison Owen <hhowen at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Wendy -- the principles were not (as is usually the case) worked out in
> advance as prescriptions of what ought to happen. Rather they were
> observations by myself and many others as to what actually did happen. The
> same would be true with the Law. Not an "ought" but an "is."
>
> Is this right? I don't know, but that is the way it happened. Whenever I say
> Principles and Law -- I always smile, because I know it/they are not what
> people usually expect.
>
> Harrison
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wendy Farmer-O'Neil
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:58 PM
> Subject: Re: leverage points & Control --I wish I had it
>
> Hmmm...this is interesting...
>
> I guess I made an assumption somewhere along the line here, that the actual
> principles of OST were freedom, self-organization, responsibility, caring,
> maturity, invitation, positivity, productive chaos, self-authorship,
> etc....And that the things we call "The Principles" and stick up on the wall
> are actually just part of the container we create to hold chaos at a
> manageable level for productive self-organization.  Let me clarify a bit...I
> think I am seeing "The Principles" as what we use to inspire confidence in
> the process for the participants...most of whom have never encountered OS
> before and find it a bit unsettling at first.  They need some reassurance
> that what is happening is normal, okay and will work--in order to relax and
> give it try.  In this regard, I think a certain amount of prescription would
> be okay, if not perhaps even necessary?  I may be completely wrong.
>
> This leads me to wondering...How would things change if we just had the Law?
> Not that i'm suggesting this at all...it just makes me go hmmmm....
>
> And yonder bi-furcated post-metamorphosis caterpillar with the ricepaper
> fans causes updrafts of great significance in the Easternmost Orient once
> again...
> Well...that is how Bi-Coloured Python Rock Snakes always talk.
> O Best Beloved...
> Wendy
>
> PS, Harrison:  I'll bring my Kipling to Halifax if you'll bring yours...;-)
>
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> From: "Masud Sheikh" <masheikh at COGECO.CA>
> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: leverage points
>
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> > Harrison Owen <hhowen at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>Actually, I don't think it is as much of an "assumption" as a blinding
> > flash of the obvious. Those  who came are the only ones there! And the
> > reason they are there is that they cared enough to come. That does not
> > make all those who didn't come bad, immoral, or terrible -- but the fact
> > of the matter is that they didn't care enough to come. Now maybe the next
> > time they would feel differently -- care more. Make the necessary
> > arrangements, or sacrifices!  But for this particular Open Space -- those
> > who care came. And CARING is the sole criteria for entry. That alone makes
> > them the "right people." No Caring -- no come...
> >>
> >>And why would this be true? Well, I think Open Space is all about passion
> > and responsibility. And if you don't CARE -- no passion, and little hope
> > of accepting responsibility. Who on earth would take responsibility for
> > something they don't care about?
> >>
> > We have been through this before, Harrison. I find it judgmental (being
> > judgmental myself, I know judgment when I see it :-)) How about changing
> > it to: "Those who felt invited, came"?
> > Masud
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