London calling--long reply

Funda Oral fundaoral at ttnet.net.tr
Mon Jul 11 07:13:12 PDT 2005 

Re: London calling--long replyI  read a definition of peace which, I thought, was very meaningful ; 

Peace is loving the life of the other...( maybe i would say respecting instead of loving ) 
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  From: Jack Ricchiuto 
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  Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 4:03 PM
  Subject: Re: London calling--long reply


  Being against violence doesn't engage me in the same way as being for peace.. Being for peace calls for a different part of my brain and heart and eyes. In the tradition of my dominant learning, Buddhism, peace is about caring and caring follows knowing. How we get to know each other is an essential ingredient in the bread we call peace.

  On 7/11/05 8:29 AM, "Jon Harvey" <only.connect at virgin.net> wrote:


    Paul

    Thank you for your comments and support. 

    I think the core problem is that certain groups of people (and Moslems are by no means alone in this) regard other groups as being of less value. To my mind a person dying in Fallujah, London, New York, Jerusalem or the West Bank - are all of equal value - no life is worth more than any other. I look forward to a time when the women and men of religion throughout the world, of all religions, unaninmously condemn all acts of violence - be they acts that kill people, maim or mutilate people, impoverish people or push people to despair - instead of (as many of them do) excusing acts of such violence in names of 'war', 'the market' or distorted ideas of 'freedom' (which are often code for 'my freedom to have licence over your life..')

    All violence is wrong. Any religion which actively or tacitly supports such violence is not a religion I can support. In this sense it is not a Moslem problem - it is a World problem, I believe.

    Peace be with you

    Jon


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      From: EVERETT813 at aol.com  [mailto:EVERETT813 at aol.com]
      Sent: 09 July 2005 01:34
      To:  only.connect at virgin.net; OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
      Subject: Re:  London calling--long reply

      Jon,

      Just as it is for me, personally, peace is an  inside job.  Until the Muslim societies do what Mr. Friedman talks about  in the below editorial, we are going to be in this assymetrical warfare,  tacitly supported by Muslim's the world over.  Remember the Palestinians  dancing in the streets when 9/11 occurred?  That attitude toward the West  hasn't gone away.  Muslim societies MUST make this terrorism a totally  unacceptable response to real or imagined grievances, just as North Ireland's  courageous ladies are beginning to do there.  Just as the West did when  it intervened in Kosovo, on the side of the Muslims there.  

      Peace  is an inside job.  There is no peace where expansionist Muslim societies  rub up against others of different beliefs in many parts of the world.   There is a bad litany of religious violence all over Africa, Asia and SE Asia  where others believe differently than the Muslim's do.  The idea that  religion can be spread by violence is what must also be confronted by the  Muslim leadership itself.  The world is NOT going to become Muslim, no  matter how much Osama and his ilk think it should be.  Or, the folks in  Sudan think it should be.  Or, in Indonesia.  The rest of the world  will fight back.  If it gets really grim, tens of millions will  die.  Huntington's theses will have been proven true, to the great  detriment of the world's peoples.  


      So, the solution is for the  Muslim folks to decide they aren't the only Way to God around this planet  (true of the right wing Christian folk, too, but they aren't out blowing up  themselves, initiating slaughters like in Darfur, Nigeria, etc.) and decide  that want to live in harmony and peace with their neighbors, who just happen  to believe differently than they do.  I'm sure the majority of them do  want peace and harmony.  But, the truth is, many don't.  Those who  do had better start speaking out and saying so in loud words that have the  impact like the fatwa issued against Salman Rushdie, who had to go into hiding  to save his life.

      These are un-PC comments, I realize, but they are  reflections of what I see in the world where Muslim's dominate or are trying  to dominate.  The recent reports by the UN, done by Muslim scholars, give  strong evidence that some people do see that their societies are the creators  of their own problems.  Only one example: disenfranchisement of women in  nearly all those societies (but not all, I realize, Turkey a real exception)  for education, choice of husband, choice of whether or not to have a family,  female genital mutilation, etc.; a whole half of their population repressed in  ways we can't even comprehend.  They detail these kinds of repressive  practices.  And the lack of societal hope because of their dictatorial  governments, which the West has supported and condoned, to their detriment,  too.

      Peace is an inside job, everywhere.

      Paul  Everett

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