On self-organizing

[Harrison Owen]

Funda Wrote: OK i agree there must be an end....but still "how it will end"
is important...elegant or not elegant? 

 

I totally agree. It is not whether or not things will end, that you will
die, or that the organizations we work for, and may have "created" - will
end. Everything does. The real question is - With what meaning? So what
would you hope for? What would be worth dying for?? I guess that is a little
blunt, but I find it is a question that puts a lot of things in perspective.

 

Harrison

 

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Harrison-i am happily reading all answers, thank you.

 

OK i agree there must be an end....but still "how it will end" is
important...elegant or not elegant?        

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Funda - I would believe that answer to your question (do they have to
sustain or survive???.......) is no. Fact of the matter is that all Living
Systems have a beginning, middle and end. We love the beginning, tolerate
the middle, and don't want to talk about the end. And that leads to all
sorts of interesting mental gymnastics. Here in the US, very few people
actually ever die, at least that would seem to be the case if you listen to
how people talk. It is said - So and so  "passed on," "took the big trip,"
"Passed to the other side" - But it seems that nobody ever dies. The same is
true when we talk about organizations. Somehow they are supposed to live for
ever, and when the end comes that is automatically taken as failure. 

 

Harrison

 

Harrison Owen

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-----Original Message-----
From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Funda Oral
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:00 AM
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all systems are self organizing but not all systems are living (sustaining)

 

i don't know 

 

Funda

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From: Ralph Copleman <mailto:rcopleman at comcast.net>  

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Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:39 PM

Subject: On self-organizing

 

My vote goes to:

All systems are self-organizing, and...

There is no such thing as a non-living system.


Ralph Copleman

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