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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Funda Wrote: </span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>OK i agree there must be an end....but still "how it will
end" is important...elegant or not elegant? </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>I totally agree. It is not whether or not
things will end, that you will die, or that the organizations we work for, and
may have “created” – will end. Everything does. The real
question is – With what meaning? So what would you hope for? What would
be worth dying for?? I guess that is a little blunt, but I find it is a
question that puts a lot of things in perspective.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>OSLIST</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> [mailto:</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>OSLIST</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b></span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Funda
Oral</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 14, 2005
3:46 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>OSLIST</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: On self-organizing</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Harrison-i am
happily reading all answers, thank you.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>OK i agree there must be
an end....but still "how it will end" is important...elegant or
not elegant? </span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:hhowen@comcast.net" title="hhowen@comcast.net">Harrison Owen</a> </span></font></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
title="OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE..EDU</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday,
February 14, 2005 6:44 PM</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: On
self-organizing</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Funda – I would
believe that answer to your question</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> (do they have to sustain or
survive???.......) </span></font><font color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:red'>is no. Fact of the matter is that all
Living Systems have a beginning, middle and end. We love the beginning,
tolerate the middle, and don’t want to talk about the end. And that leads
to all sorts of interesting mental gymnastics. Here in the US, very few people
actually ever die, at least that would seem to be the case if you listen to how
people talk. It is said – So and so “passed on,”
“took the big trip,” “Passed to the other side” –
But it seems that nobody ever dies. The same is true when we talk about
organizations. Somehow they are supposed to live for ever, and when the end
comes that is automatically taken as failure. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Harrison</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Potomac, Maryland 20845</span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Funda Oral<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 14, 2005
9:00 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: On self-organizing</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>all systems are self organizing but
not all systems are living (sustaining)</span></font></p>
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title="rcopleman@comcast.net">Ralph Copleman</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 face=Times><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Times'>My vote goes to:<br>
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All systems are self-organizing, and...<br>
<br>
There is no such thing as a non-living system.<br>
<br>
<br>
Ralph Copleman<br>
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