FW: 1st OS in Vietnam

Tue Apr 12 14:32:43 PDT 2005

Open Space really starts before the event ....

Thanks Michael for that reminder. I've done OS in many organizations where open space was a way of being introduced into the culture before events and sustained beyond them. It's fascinating to see how differently people interact in OS events within the context of open space cultures. It would be interesting to have a thread at some point on what an open space organization culture might be like - if not self-organizing.

Jack

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------------Original Message------------
From: Michaël-SYSt <michael at syst.nl>
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Date: Tue, Apr-12-2005 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: FW: 1st OS in Vietnam
Dear all,

Harrison wrote: "Lots of people "could have come" but only a certain number
really cared (enough) to come." 

Is it only about caring? For some it also the opportunity.
So it seems to me that Open Space really starts before the event. And that
all who care are given the real opportunity to come.
And to give a place for those who didn't come for some reason. So give a
place for those who wanted to come, but could not (for a real reason}.

(hoping for a good opportunity to come to a OSONOS in the future, so it's a
personal thing too) 

Best wishes,

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Van: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] Namens Harrison Owen
Verzonden: dinsdag 12 april 2005 20:36
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Onderwerp: Re: [OSLIST] FW: 1st OS in Vietnam

Masud Wrote: Do we need to use "right" or "appropriate" for people?
If we say "whatever happened is the only thing that could have happened"
(if I remember the words correctly) why can we not also say; "Whoever came
are the only people who could have come"

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I suppose we could -- but that would miss the point, I think. Lots of people
"could have come" but only a certain number really cared (enough) to come.
And besides, they are the only ones present :-). Their "care" makes them the
right/appropriate/present people. And in my book, it is the "caring" that
counts. That doesn't make all the other "possibles" bad, evil, immoral, or
ugly -- they just didn't care enough to come. Maybe next time????

Harrison

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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Masud
Sheikh
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:54 PM
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Subject: Re: FW: 1st OS in Vietnam

Do we need to use "right" or "appropriate" for people?
If we say "whatever happened is the only thing that could have happened"
(if I remember the words correctly) why can we not also say;

"Whoever came are the only people who could have come"
Masud

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:28:45 -0700, Elwin and Joan elwinandjoan at yahoo.com>
wrote:

>--- Harrison Owen <hhowen at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Idiomatic language is devilishly hard to translate,
>> and I suspect idiomatic (colloquial) English is the worst offender.
>I
>> opted for "right" = "appropriate." Sounded good to me. What do you
>> think?
>
>Harrison,
>
>I think you did the "right" thing!  Since 90% of my OST is in former
>USSR countries I am constantly asked the same question(s) about the
>terms used in the Four Principles.  Again, you did the right...err
>"appropriate" thing.
>
>
>
>Elwin Guild
>Future Development International
>Baltimore
>elwinandjoan at yahoo.com

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